Cancer Cause and Cure - Could it be this Simple?

Originally posted by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient

There are remedies that work, a lot of our treatments are from natural remedies and then purified or synthesized by drug companies to remove impurities or regulate dosage or modify to increase performance, but to dismiss natural cures is wrong. I have read a lot about intravenous vitamin C as a cancer cure and now researchers have decided to jump in to test it as well.

malaysia.news.yahoo.com... a.html


[edit on 18-1-2008 by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient]

your link don't work..if it is purified or synthed then it is not natural is it?
i don't think it is wrong to dismiss natural cures cause you can't cure cancer with natural #.
you're talking IV vitamin c will cure the big c...?

come on man.....if that was all one had to do people would be mainlining it and piping it in at home and getting better...

i can't believe some of the things that others believe as far as cancer cures go. i will stick to my guns though and say that if anyone who believes this stuff comes down with cancer they'll be at the onco's office.....

you might go the vitamin c route for a spell but then once you're still sick you'll be hitting the cancer clinic.

i almost LOL at some of this stuff.

anyone in here know what natural stuff will cure this
en.wikipedia.org...

i'm waiting

Originally posted by Boondock78
i will stick to my guns though and say that if anyone who believes this stuff comes down with cancer they'll be at the onco's office.....

All this being said, I'm still doing my essiac tea, and I expect I will for the rest of my life. Call it locking the barn door after the horse has bolted, but I've made that decision for myself. It's certainly worth a try.

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is that all you do though or do you take convential meds as well?

Originally posted by Boondock78
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is that all you do though or do you take convential meds as well?

One shot of brachy therapy is supposed to do the trick...so all you guys out there, get that PSA checked and don't fear the fickle finger...it could save your butt...and other stuff! I'm just backing it up, as mentioned. But I won't bet the farm on the 'other' therapies, and frankly, my loved ones wouldn't let me when conventional has such a high cure rate...and yes, they say cure.

It seems that the words Homeopathic, or Alternative Medicene, Herbal, Natural, have become synonomous with scams or hoaxes, that's unfortunate as it overlooks one simple concept, where in the hell do you think all these chemicals and wonder drugs came from? Plants and Herbs, that's where.
Just because a Tomato plant doesn't have a Pfizer label and a FDA approval, does it still contain Atropine and Lycopine? You can't patent a willow tree, but you sure can slap a label on ground up treebark and sell it for god only knows what kind of mark up. Stevia is dangerous for 'unspecified reasons', but it's still sweeter than sugar. Even Sildenafil citrate has it's natural origins, but you won't read that research in the JAMA. Why pay 75 bucks for a pain pill when you can eat a poppy that will grow for free right in your yard, the only difference is a candy coating and a price tag.
Like anything else, follow the money. Treating cancer is unimaginably big money, curing cancer is big funding... cured cancer, however, is not economically viable, I know that sounds terrible but it's absolutely true. Think about it, if I were making billions upon billions of dollars selling you a little pill, would I want you to know that the plant I extracted that little pill from grew in my customers backyards?
We've been propogandaized to the point where the word natural scares us people.

Originally posted by twitchy
It seems that the words Homeopathic, or Alternative Medicene, Herbal, Natural, have become synonomous with scams or hoaxes, that's unfortunate as it overlooks one simple concept, where in the hell do you think all these chemicals and wonder drugs came from? Plants and Herbs, that's where. ...Think about it, if I were making billions upon billions of dollars selling you a little pill, would I want you to know that the plant I extracted that little pill from grew in my customers backyards?
We've been propogandaized to the point where the word natural scares us people.

Sure thing, sez I as I eat my Budwig smoothie...with organic blueberries and honey so it doesn't taste like crapola...but your kids comes down with cancer and they say, here's how we want to treat it...you gonna say "No...eat this brocolli!!"?

Uh huh....

Twitchy..starred.Fabulous post.
Johnny Canuck, essiac is the best thing I have found in 10 + years of study. Good luck to you my friend and stay well.

There's got to be something out there that's better than treating people with radiation/chemo!

My father died of cancer as well as several other relatives and the treatments that have been used for years and years just seem so barbaric!

Just because a natural cure has not been found doesn't mean one is not out there. We have a powerful immune system that can kill off any cancer in the right state of being.

I don't put a lot of stock in the medical establishment finding a cure since they don't find cures to anything anymore as the sick are very profitable. When is the last time an actual cure was introduced to the public?

Treating cancer with things that are poison to our bodies just doesn't make sense to me!

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Try this link.

www.jefferson.edu.../article15617.html

www.jefferson.edu.../article15617.html

Im sick of these health issues.....the pharmaceutical companies lobby against anything they cant package and sell. So even if it does work like the MMS in malawi they will do all that they can to impede it being produced and distributed because they make too much money off of medication. The snake oil argument is moot because we dont even get the chance to study them because of washington lobby groups.....this is fact people. WE all know this and i doubt anyone would disagree with the amount of manipulation that goes on in washington regarding healthcare due to lobby groups and large donations from big pharma.

...... Here in Italy I have never heard of dr. simoncini's method but the controvertial method that I have heard of is the Di Bella method here is the link:


www.metododibella.org...

I tried to switch to english language but it doesn't seem to work. In any case this method is differet it is basically saying that to cure cance you cant just rely on one medicine but multi medicines and NOT chemotherapy type. There was a big controversy here in Italy over this method they were trying to disprove his theories anyhow it was all over the media for months. They will sto at nothing to discredit honest peoples work and theory... I guess the pharmaceutical lobby's are the owners of the world!!!

I thought that cancer or the suseptibility to it was genetic? and this quak comes along and tells me it's a F-ing mushroom! He's either got really low self esteem or there was some really strange statistical anomalies for him to have cured his patients with baking soda!

Originally posted by Fada126
I thought that cancer or the suseptibility to it was genetic? and this quak comes along and tells me it's a F-ing mushroom! He's either got really low self esteem or there was some really strange statistical anomalies for him to have cured his patients with baking soda!

Or it could be that you just don't know alot about mycology and mycotoxins, or his research.

Natural remedies can appear to be a hoax when people try them and they don't work. What they don't realize is that you can't experiment with natural remedies while you're exposing yourself to hundreds of cancer-causing chemicals everyday and expect the chosen "cure" to be effective.

Everyone carries a huge chemical burden and it increases everyday by the food you eat, the water you drink, the personal care products you use and the household cleaning supplies you use.

How can you expect to be healed of anything if you're using commercial toothpaste, dishwashing liquid, antiperspirants, makeup, lotion, laundry detergent, etc.?

Getting your body clean and healthy means walking away from all commercial products and keeping your exposure to chemicals as low as possible. It's a complete lifestyle change, not a quick fix.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
"I just left a free cancer clinic where I had a free consultation with a radiation oncologist to discuss my free biopsy that my free GP ordered from my free urolologist with regard to the free testing in advance of my free radiation therapy. I started to rail about the $18 (cdn) parking charge until I thought of you folks in the States...and decided to shut up. 'Nuff Said?"

You've got that right. The entire Healthcare system in the USA is completely screwed up man. It is baaadddd, from the Pharmaceutical companies, to the Pharmacies and Pharmacists, to the Insurance companies and what they will and will not cover despite your monthly payment, to the need to be referred to a specialist by your family physician aka general practicioner, the fact that only certain doctors and specialists are covered by certain Insurance companies, to the completely astounding lack of knowledge that some doctors have about the very medications that they prescribe, to the lack of compassion by alot of doctors and emergency rooms to prescribe suitable medication for the problem at hand, and the list keeps going.

Particulary they bug out when you are in need of pain relief, because pain relievers that actually work consistently well are all scheduled, controlled substances. Doctors dont like prescribing these because the DEA looks at the exact number of narcotic prescriptions each doctor writes per month, or has the ability to. So these doctors are so scared about losing their licenses that they don't even treat the patients properly. So we get all of this crappyness. Oh wait, I havent ranted about Pharmacists yet.

These are one of the worst links of this lousy chain here. The Pharmacies, depending on who works at them, can be incredibly intrusive into your life and business well beyond what they are told/required to do. I have had Pharmacists refuse to hand me back my paper prescription written by the doctor after handing it to them at the drop off window, only for them to type it up and say "I can't fill this for you because it contains the same ingrediant that is in this other medication you are already taking." For the record, this was some years ago, I was dropping off a prescription for some kind of cough syrup b/c I had bronchitis. A month prior to this I had my wisdom teeth pulled and the oral surgeon prescribed me a small amount of Vicodin brand pain relievers. Since the cough syrup had the same chemical in it, just 1 chemical of many, as the pain reliever did she wouldn't fill it for me. Lets forget about the fact that it was an entire month prior that I had filled that Vicodin prescription, and that it was a small prescription only meant to last one full week. So anyways, I then politely ask for the prescription paper back so that I can hold it (i wanted to just take it elsewhere) and she literally refused to give me it back. Straight up took my prescription and basicly played Doctor. Incredible. She knew that what she was doing wasnt required, and that another pharmacy location would fill it, but she wanted to butt into my life and what she thought was best for me. As I said, playing Doctor. The Doctor himself knew I had been prescribed that pain reliever a month prior for my wisdom teeth being pulled, that is the sillyness of it.

Anyways, USA Healthcare sucks. Now I am uninsured, I dont goto the doctor or hospital unless I absolutely positively have to. They are usually a waste of time and money. And sadly, you get more freedoms as a patient by being uninsured. You can goto whatever doctor you want, you dont have to pick from a certain list of a few in your area. From there, you can take your prescriptions to get them filled anywhere you'd like, and don't have to wait until the insurance company will pay for the medication. In other words, you can get your medications filled when you want to, not when the insurance company thinks you should, and not when the pharmacist thinks you should, necessarily. Of course this involves having certain types of medicines filled at certain chains of pharmacies, so that one's records do not contain so much information to be used to discriminate or deny you medication with.

[edit on 1/18/2008 by runetang]

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There's a book called "Cancer Winner" written by the wife of a doctor who cured herself of melanoma using Max Gerson's natural cure. She documents her year and a half ordeal quite well. Sorry I can't remember her name. My thousands of books are still in no order after my recent move so I can't find it but I remember the name of the book. When she was diagnosed, she was given 2 weeks to live. She wrote the book after she had been cancer free for 5 years.

Also, you may recognize the name of Paul Gunter. He was a writer who wrote a book about his son who had cancer. It's entitled "Death Be Not Proud". His son used the Gerson Therapy, got better for a while but died eventually. It was his death that was the turning point for Gerson who finally figured out why some of his patients would improve and then suddenly die. The exotoxins from the dying cancer cells were collecting faster than the body could flush them out. Gerson began to modify his treatment to include "rests" for the body before taking up the treatment again.

There's also Royal Raymond Rife, an engineer in the 1930's who discovered what he called BX Virus that was found in every cancer patient. The AMA (run by one man at the time) had Rife literally beat up, stole his papers and threatened all the doctors who Rife had donated his cancer cure machine to with ostracism if they didn't turn the machines back in. As far as I know, the "universal microscope" invented by Rife to see living viruses is still on display at the Smithsonian.

Renee Cassie (Essiac) has literally hundreds of documented cases of cures. The only way she could treat patients was if she didn't charge for it. The documentation of her free treatments/cures still remains.

I have my doubts about baking soda being a cure for cancer and, if I ever developed cancer, it would not be my first choice for treatment but it would sure be several choices ahead of radiation or chemo.

Originally posted by runetang Particulary they bug out when you are in need of pain relief, because pain relievers that actually work consistently well are all scheduled, controlled substances.

That's another part of the system that I can't understand. We can get tylenol #1 over the counter, without a script. 3's are no problem if you have a real need. The stronger stuff gets more scrutiny...but then it should, shouldn't it? But it's available without you feeling like a junkie.

While I don't know at this point what to buy into regarding these "alternative treatments" given the fact that I don't have the medical expertise, I do know for sure that all of the current cancer treatments are more a form of euthanasia than anything.

If there was a cure for cancer we would never hear about it unless a for of disease or virus or somthing that could off set the money lost from curing cancer.

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Regarding sodium bicarbonate. It's your pH. It has to be balanced a bit to the alkaline side.