Bush: NIE does not reflect my views

Bush: NIE does not reflect my views

uk.news.yahoo.com

The US President says the intelligence agencies are independent and their findings do not reflect his views on Iran's nuclear program.

"I defended our intelligence services, but made it clear that they're an independent agency; that they come to conclusions separate from what I may or may not want," said the US President George W. Bush.
Bush said he still viewed Iran as "a threat" despite a US National Intelligence Estimate, released last month.

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So because the NIE does not fall in with what he WANTS bush does not take any notice?
What's going on here?
Why have an NIE if all it's there for is to support what you want?

And that is the key phrase here:
"I defended our intelligence services, but made it clear that they're an independent agency; that they come to conclusions separate from what I may or may not want,"

WOW
bush really does see himself as infallible.

I wonder if a new conversation with god has superceded the NIE, which (as the snippet implies) bush would have supported if it matched his own views.

This is indeed a dangerous man.

uk.news.yahoo.com
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Ah yes, another famous quote from George Bush. How blatant,

"I defended our intelligence services, but made it clear that they're an independent agency; that they come to conclusions separate from what I may or may not want."

Seems like he is really determined to go to war with Iran.

reply to post by Nyorai


The stink of hypocrisy that surrounds this man sickens me - and not surprisingly, I have seen very few articles about this in the mainstream press.
Hopefully that will change.

His determination to wage war knows no bounds - or maybe he's just cosying up to his buddies to make more money when he leaves office.

Either way, it would be a shame if he dragged US citizens and armed forces into another no-win situation that could see tensions rise to breaking point - especially with russia who are also dying to flex their muscles.

Wait please tell me I read incorrectly a sitting US President OPENLY admits that he will essentially ignor intelligence reports if they don't agree with his preconceived plans or beliefs?

or if you read it another way, That he will fully support intelligence reports as long as they agree with his preconceived plans or beliefs...

Ok to all the neocons who hate Ron Paul because he wants to get rid of certain aspects of the CIA and other intelligence agencies and such, well Bush just basically said that these agencies are useless as hes going with his plan regardless of what they tell him.

This makes me think. There has been a lot of talk for quite a while about civil war in the United States; if we go to war with Iran under poor cause, that just might do it for a lot of people.

So what he is saying is that the 16 intelligence agencies that supplied the combined information are ALL independent? Not one of them are part of the government or work for the government in any way shape or form?

Now if those are not the ramblings of an out of control wannabe dictator then I'm the next in line for Pope

even worse is his sucking up to the Israelis. Distancing himself from the NIE, pointing the finger of guilt at others and making it clear he's still there to do Israels bidding

reply to post by C0le


Nope, that's exactly how I read it.

I've just had an even more disturbing thought;
does bush WANT to instigate a global conflict as a way of staying in power?
Is it possible that he could cling to power if the middle east erupts (as he seems to want) and russia and perhaps even china get involved, causing a "national emergency" of his own making?
In other words, is this all part of a bigger plan and could it happen?

Now that IS scary.



[edit on 17/1/2008 by budski]

Originally posted by Nyorai
This makes me think. There has been a lot of talk for quite a while about civil war in the United States; if we go to war with Iran under poor cause, that just might do it for a lot of people.

Ain't gonna happen. The sheep that support the president, and the sheep watching fox, and the sheep watching every detail of the lives of celebrities will be the first people to infiltrate an undo any civil war type action.

Failing that global hawks will kill american civilians, or at least CS gas them into submission before they reach any local government building.

You can bet your parents internal organs that the police of this nation would savor in spilling the blood of civilians, and there are plenty of brainwashed military who would
gladly do the same.

Originally posted by Nyorai
This makes me think. There has been a lot of talk for quite a while about civil war in the United States; if we go to war with Iran under poor cause, that just might do it for a lot of people.

Serving my country is something I've always wanted to do, and still do actually its in the family... It sucks that because of what my country is doing I can't serve due to my moral beliefs, I will not fight in a war that is illegal and unconstitutional, I will not be drafted to fight Bushes war, and I will not flee my country to avoid it, I will stay and defend my life and my beliefs, and the Constitution that protects both.

that is my only duty as a citizen.

[edit on 17-1-2008 by C0le]

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It has been contemplated a lot the possibility that another false flag attack would occur on US soil, therefore letting President Bush remain in power as a dictator. This or any number of circumstances can keep the president in power.

I wonder what will happen in the next year before he leaves office. :|

[edit on 17/1/2008 by Nyorai]

This is very very bad.
After returning from Israel, where he discussed the NIE Findings with the Israeli war mongerer, it looks almost a definate, that regardless of any pre-conceieved notion of a nuclear threat... that the US are now going to attack Iran, because the US leader believes its justified, even though intellegence agencies say otherwise.

If every American citizen does not immediately walk the streets in mass protest to oust this dictator, i believe that we are headed for a serious conflict... and due to the economy taking a dramatic downturn this month, its going to happen sooner rather than later.

Tell me, if he deems the constitution independant from his office, and feels himself remaining in power is better for 'the security of America'
will anyone bother to protest then?

He's practically telling you he makes all the decisions, based on what he wants, regardless to what any intellegence agency says.

Think about this, Intellegence agencies have spies, have assets, have supercomputers.. have all these tools gathering intel...

How on earth does Bush, believe 'his personal intellgence' , the same personal intellegence that had never been outside the US prior to his presidency, the same US intellegence that makes constant baffs on national televeision is better, than that of the 'ACTUALY' intellegence agencies?



[edit on 17-1-2008 by Agit8dChop]

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Do you remember the Iraq war protests? Those were some massive numbers. If we go to war I am sure the numbers will not only increase, but might do a little more than march and shout.

You should have seen the pro war rally too. I heard it was the size of a volley ball game

And we still went to war

[edit on 17/1/2008 by Nyorai]

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I have an idea that he gets most of his intelligence decisions from his dad - who still reads the briefings every day, as is his right as a former president.

Still, the idea that they know better astounds me.

What also astounds me is how far out of touch with peoples opinion bush is, not to mention out of touch with reality.

Originally posted by budski

I have an idea that he gets most of his intelligence decisions from his dad - who still reads the briefings every day, as is his right as a former president.

Still, the idea that they know better astounds me.

What also astounds me is how far out of touch with peoples opinion bush is, not to mention out of touch with reality.

Re: W's dad, I very much doubt he has much--if any--influence on his son. Iraq and Scowcroft and Baker coming out and trying to derail it by proxy pretty much puts that notion to rest.

Re: W knowing better, what exactly about that astounds you, after seven years?

Re: W being out of touch, you can be sure he's nonetheless very in touch with the Neocon cabal.

You have to understand our president first before making conclusions, He thinks he is chosen by god to cleanse the middle east, he also have a debt to the corporate power that made him a president and to tell you the truth he has delusions of Majesty, he is the leader of the US and he is king of the world

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Tell me, if he deems the constitution independant from his office, and feels himself remaining in power is better for 'the security of America'
will anyone bother to protest then?

With the new season of American Idol on? I doubt it.


This really doesn't surprise me. After all the man calls himself the decider. But, the question is will Congress listen to Bush or the NIE? They still have to approve another war right? And if they don't agree with Bush will he order strikes on Iran anyway?

Originally posted by gottago

Re: W's dad, I very much doubt he has much--if any--influence on his son. Iraq and Scowcroft and Baker coming out and trying to derail it by proxy pretty much puts that notion to rest.

Re: W knowing better, what exactly about that astounds you, after seven years?

Re: W being out of touch, you can be sure he's nonetheless very in touch with the Neocon cabal.

Perhaps I should have phrased it better - I'm constantly astonished that a leader of such a great nation could be such a doofuss that he thinks people still believe him or take any notice of him.
For example - this middle east tour is very much like blairs "farewell" tour - and bush seems to have no idea that people are laughing their heads off at him behind his back - except for the israeli's who are probaly rubbing their hands with unrestrained glee.

Bush is probably the most un-statesmanlike president ever, yet he is so deluded hat he actually seems to believe that he's a great statesman.
He's a legend in his own mind, I think is what I'm trying to say.

This one though really takes the biscuit.

reply to post by marg6043


Right on the money marg.

I see blair as being very much in the same mould except he's not as stupid as bush seems to be.

Originally posted by Britguy
Now if those are not the ramblings of an out of control wannabe dictator then I'm the next in line for Pope

Are you sure he is just a "wannabe?" I'm not. I was telling friend yesterday that I wouldn't be surprised to see him declare martial law, considering that it's an election year.