What’s wrong with purposely causing the extinction of animals?

reply to post by andre18


One role elephants play have been addressed in this thread by MemoryShock in this post.

As for viruses, it's hard to say. But there is strong evidence to support the idea that they are responsible for a big part of our own evolution. Read here: Why are scientists resurrecting long-extinct deadly viruses?

reply to post by andre18


Elephants? That's an easy one.

* Elephants provide a vital role in the ecosystem they inhabit.
* They modify their habitat by converting savannah and woodlands to grasslands
* Elephants can provide water for other species by digging water holes in dry riverbeds
o the depressions created by their footprints and their bodies trap rainfall
* Elephants act as seed dispersers by their fecal matter. It is often carried below ground by dung beetles and termites causing the soil to become more aerated and further distributing the nutrients
* Their paths act as firebreaks and rain water conduits
* An Elephants journey through the high grass provides food for birds by disturbing small reptiles, amphibians or insects.

So this thread has pretty much gone from "What's wrong with purposely causing the extinction of animals?" to "Let me name a few animals and you can tell me why it would be bad if they were extinct".

Sooo I guess that means you've seen exactly what is wrong with purposely causing the extinction of animals? C .. case closed?

And Rilence, about that kid in Melb. You hear he's being charged with producing and possessing child pornography now? For taking photos of topless girls playing twister at the party.

Man that kid is gonna learn some lessons the hard way.

reply to post by Toy_soldier


Yeah, his job opportunities are going to be limited for sure

As are our OP's here if he keeps posting stuff like this in a great forum like this....

99% of it has bee froth, for want of putting it another way...

anywho

peace

I have to say that was pretty insightful…. elephants and ants….who would have thought…but here’s something I need people to consider……lets say for what ever reason there was a way to get rid of a specific species without harming the environment and everything else…

Let’s say there was just a way we could do it without upsetting the food chain…we had complete control over the situation….and so we decided to then finally get rid of what ever creature……is anyone still against this idea…..if we could make sure by onehundred percent certainty that no harm would come to us or any other creatures by doing this…what’s the problem…..?

reply to post by andre18




The only species that I can think of that we could do that to would be humans.

Except for domesticated chickens and cattle would be riled up for a minute, but they'd get over it.

Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by Beachcoma

 

Here's something different…..what about plant eating creatures…..? You can’t possibly mess up the food chain if you for what ever reason were to kill off say elephants….

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Well don't be so sure.

Elephants' foraging activities affect the areas in which they live:

* By pulling down trees to eat leaves, breaking branches, and pulling out roots they create clearings in which new young trees and other vegetation grow to provide future nutrition for elephants and other organisms.
* Elephants make pathways through the environment that are used by other animals to access areas normally out of reach. The pathways have been used by several generations of elephants, and today people are converting many of them to paved roads.
* During the dry season elephants use their tusks to dig into dry river beds to reach underground sources of water. These newly dug water holes may become the only source of water in the area.
* Elephants are a species which many other organisms depend on. For example, termites eat elephant feces and often begin building termite mounds under piles of elephant feces.


Also it seems scientists can study elephants and learn from them to benefit scientific research. Think about all those things you want extinct, that may help us in future, but it would be too late, there are many things we can learn from these so called useless creatures you claim.

www.sciencedaily.com...



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reply to post by andre18


Morals.

Human decency.

Live and let live.

If there were no negative repurcussions for you, would you kill a human being? Even if they were annoying? Even if they called your haircut dumb and hated the bands you loved?

Nothing bad would happen to you, so why the hell not?

Its survival of the fittest, I wouldn't recommend going out and killing every animal that annoys you, but I mean im pretty sure the whole out look of the food chain wouldn't change to much if insects disappeared.

Its called evolution, species every day die out, in one way or the other, new species branch off from its dead ancestor, evolving to the changes in its environment.

Things will always change, (believe it or not, Earth is growing.) and its not just animals that have to adapt, we do as well, but I dont agree with killing everything that annoys us, we should let nature and evolution take its course. Cause remember, not too long ago us humans were once rodents, you know, if Dinosaurs just preyed on mammals and forced them into extinction we wouldn't be here right now.


My only concern with killing most insects is, what if something happens to our food chain, like a big asteroid or a nuclear holocaust, most insects could survive such catastrophic events, most mammals couldn't, and would be exposed to radical environmental change, which hardly few can survive with humans as that radical change.

We cant play God with everything, and the problem with our species is, our faith in God has put us above everything else. Not everything revolves around us, so surely the Sun doesn't shine for us. We're here by chance, the sooner we come to realize this, the better off we'll be.

Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by _Phoenix_

 

The difference is god doesn't exist...

and if it does......let it try and stop the already vast amounts of people causing the extinction of fish and other creatures.....we are all ready playing "god" hell we went to Japan and used an nuclear bomb on them for bloody sake.....we can pretty much do what ever we want....people are starving in Africa.....and nothing's really being done about it....homeless on the streets....no one cares....

Where's your god for these people ..

Your logic again gets you in trouble, but you're young and ignorant.

May I ask what the hell are YOU doing for the poor and homeless? Since you claim there is no God to care for these people then what are you doing for them? Or should we just eradicate the poor and mentally ill people, I mean what good are they doing, correct? Would your middle name be "Hitler" by chance? I ask only because maybe Hitler started out with the idea that bugs should be eradicated which then lead to people.

Beachcoma.....excellent post and information but sadly overlooked.


Andrea, can you name me one insect we have eradicated totally? Also, how many species became extinct in 2007 by human hands? Thank you.

Maybe when people say "ignorant" we can point them to this thread and ask "oh, like this?"

I think its great that everyone is trying to convince him that he's wrong, but it's almost as if he is doing it on purpose.

I hope that andre18 isn't how most people think, and we are in the minority.

reply to post by SilverSmith


Humans are humans.....animals are animals......we don't give (....) about animals as we do ourselves as I’ve said repeatedly in this thread.....when a dog bites a child it is put down....but if a person kills another person...they’re sent to jail.....unless you live in Texas... If we cared about animals as we do ourselves we wouldn’t be eating them now would we….?

reply to post by andre18


Well apparently your blind or stupid or flat out refuse to read posts.

But I’ll give you one last chance to read it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

After this I guess I am going to try and not respond to the childish idiocy I continue to see in this thread. It is obvious the OP is beyond reason and cares nothing for the life of the world in general. I suggest you go back to playing with your Xbox while listening to whatever pop singer is the most popular at the time and go on ignoring the real world that moves around you. As you seem to live in some delusional world of freakish fantasy that has you placed squarely in the center.

Good day.

Raist

reply to post by Raist


Go back and read the last post on the 10th page….. What I’m wondering now is lets say for what ever reason there was a way to get rid of a specific species without harming the environment and everything else…

Let’s say there was just a way we could do it without upsetting the food chain…we had complete control over the situation….and so we decided to then finally get rid of what ever creature……is anyone still against this idea…..if we could make sure by onehundred percent certainty that no harm would come to us or any other creatures by doing this…what’s the problem…..?

reply to post by andre18


It seems like you'd be doing it just to do it. And you certainly would be hurting the creature you exterminated.

Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by SilverSmith

 

Humans are humans.....animals are animals......we don't give (....) about animals as we do ourselves as I’ve said repeatedly in this thread.....when a dog bites a child it is put down....but if a person kills another person...they’re sent to jail.....unless you live in Texas...

If we cared about animals as we do ourselves we wouldn’t be eating them now would we….?

Dude, what in the world did this have to do with my post to you???

No where did you even attempt a "logical" response.

Again I'll ask you, can you name me one insect we have totally eradicated and also how many species became extinct last year, 2007??

If you do not address the more serious questions that challenge your "theory" then you'll be seen as nothing more than a troll and never taken seriously.

Lastly, we could go on for ever with "what if's", like "what if you really replied to the intelligent posts, how long would your theory be valid?"

reply to post by Rasobasi420


We exterminate creatures every day….. pest control…food production etc…. what’s the difference…?

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reply to post by andre18


Why one species though? Is it the risk of death they bring?

If that is the case still end the life of humans first.
How many are killed each year by other people? How many starve to death or die of sickness because those who have the money are too wrapped up in their possessions to care? How many die each year because of drunk drivers or someone all doped up is behind the wheel when they should not be? How many die each year due to negligence of the doctors who are performing surgery on them?

When it comes down to it, it is not the animals be they insect or reptile or arachnid that kill more people each year it is people that kill more people each year.

This thread is similar to a car wreck in the way that it is difficult to look away from even though I know I should.

And the last thing I would like to mention is that though we as humans’ mass fish, kill through poison, and kill for food we are not trying to exterminate a species completely. We are trying to eliminate a problem in the immediate area. For instance spaying your house for termites ensures your house does not fall down due to damage they cause. Allowing the termites to live worldwide allow for fallen trees to break down quicker as well as any other wood man might have left lying around. There is a difference between making your living habitat safe and secure and destroying entire species, most grade school children or at least junior high school kids can recognize this.

Raist

Killing a few is not the same as attempting to kill them all.

In fact, humans serve the least purpose on this planet. There are no creatures that truly depend upon us for survival, besides the domesticated animals, but they were made that way by us. By your judgement, we should just kill off all people while you're at it.

This is going to be my last post in this ridiculous topic, posted obviously by someone who was born with their head up their ass. I suggest everyone to cease posting on this topic so it will die, and since this thread is probably the epitome of andre80's existence, he too will die, symbolically of course.

reply to post by SilverSmith


To tell you the truth ...... I wouldn't have a clue.....although I know from facts that I’ve read over the years that animals become extinct every day.....you can look that one up if you wont....whether insects have become extinct last year is irrelevant.....though I’m guessing insects have become extinct for the past billion years or so....so I don't really see why it would be a problem to do what nature has already been doing for those past billion years......but anyway.....through discussion I’ve accepted that any way we try to purposely cause the extinction of animals.....it will impact us just as harshly.....but then when creatures become extinct through natural causes....the ecosystem is still intact......and so what's the difference from us causing the extinction from nature?

jeez italkyoulisten you don't have to be involved in this thread if you don't have to....this is just a theory of mine......you shouldn't be so damn aggressive..... talk about a difference of opoinion…

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