Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

reply to post by AshleyD


Hi AshleyD,
Very
Very beautifully
and eloquently stated.
and I might add that you have just put this thread back on topic. Thank you.

BTW, here is what I found out about Perry Marshall's Random Mutation Generator:

IX. Can Random Mutation Produce Information? Try the Random Mutation Generator www.RandomMutation.com:

0 mutations: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog 20 mutations: Th8 WuickMbrown f4jS1um6zd CjeD thZ lAhy Ao4

10 mutations: Th8 quick brown f4j 1umpzd Cjer the la,y do7 30 mutations: TL8 YnGc-Mbro-n f4jS1um6wdECjeD thZ 1AhyuAo4

Fundamental problem with random mutations: They’re evenly distributed and destruction of information always exceeds the gain

X. All known examples of evolution (genetic programs, social progress) have an ability to Evolve that is designed in.

Therefore life on earth, the Fossil Record, the Cambrian Explosion and Punctuated Equilibrium are a result of:

1) The ability to make evolutionary change is designed in (i.e. not random mutation, but pre-programmed variations); and/or

2) Multiple incidents of special creation

This explanation seems a little clearer to me.

www.cosmicfingerprints.com...

Edit to apologize for getting off topic, but wanted to add some info to something that was brought up earlier. And as I hope Mr. Marshall will be our guest, it wouldn't hurt to have some background.
Now back on topic. Does anyone have anything else they wish to add to the topic which is a combination of whether there is a conspiracy of atheists to overthrow Christians or do you have any ideas on how we could come together and co-exist peacefully and work on fixing our shattered nation?

[edit on 16-1-2008 by sizzle]

[edit on 16-1-2008 by sizzle]

Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb

Would Jesus want ATM's in churches?

Is this serious? Are there really ATM's in churches? Because if there are then the agenda is right there for all to see and there's no way it can be denied.

This is disgusting.

Jesus wants ATM's in churches to help out his father. xD

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see ATM's in today's Mega Churches (City churches? McChurches? I can't remember what they're called). Those things are like malls now and most true Christians refuse to step foot inside a Mega Church. They've gotten so far away from what Christianity is supposed to be it's scary. Coffee shops, clothing stores, playgrounds, etc. If Jesus went to one today, we'd probably have another incident with Him tossing over the money changer's tables. No, Jesus is not asking for these people to make ATM withdraws. The corrupt church leaders are.

I can't top Bono of U2's comment on such things: "My God ain't short on cash."

reply to post by AshleyD


It's MegaChurches, at least that the term I use the most.
I am a Catholic, and from my understanding the Catholic Church has changed the far least (in terms of overall worship, ceremonies, etc.) when compared to Protestant churches who are famous for creating the MegaChurches and the other groups who mooch for money all the time on tv and the owners end up buying themselves big toys like small fleets of private jets and more mansions than they need.

Edit: Also, when comparing the Catholic Church to the Protestants, only the Catholic Church can trace it's roots all the way back to the original Church during the time of the Ancient Roman Empire.
To be clear, I am not trying to provoke any arguments between me and any Protestants who are here on this thread.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by spec_ops_wannabe]

reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe

Are you talking about the same catholic church, who during medieval times
'coined' the phrase "when into the coffer a penny rings, another soul from purgatory springs"!
Not to mention the statues in procession that had wet sponges on the inside of their eyelids with a string attached, and when someone put money into the pot, the priest would pull the string, causing the statue to 'cry' at their piety.

Folks, I say this with all due respect; Let's try to get this thread back on topic. I also have been guilty of straying. I agree that some important issues have been brought up. The very idea of ATM's in a Church is appalling to say the least. That is the one thing that Atheists, Catholics and Protestants have been able to agree on. Remarkable!
But the subject here is about whether there is a conspiracy to overthrow Christianity. Judging from the comments that I have received thus far, I would say that this is a fact.
So, in regards to this, I agree with Conspiriology, that separate religious sects need to get over their trifles with each other and band together.

I haven't been a member on ATS too long but, if you believe that their is an "attack" or "conspiracy" against catholicism then thats your belief. I have yet to see anyone make a statement or comment in such a way that I would consider it an attack on my beliefs (mind you i didn't read all the previous posts in this topic lol).
Being raised as a catholic, attending catholic school majority of my life, and going to church on sundays I can safely say that I have "Strayed" away from the church... and it doesn't bother me at all. I have made peace with God, carry Jesus round my neck, and believe in God in the way i want. I don't agree with organized religons, nor with the catholic church in particular... but if it brings someone fullfillment and meaning in their life, then who am I to tell them they are wrong?
In the famous words of George Michael "Yea I've gotta have Faith..."

reply to post by tevis69


The thread specifically is about atheists conspiring to bring down Christianity and all other forms of religions. But I think Christianity is their main focus.

Actually, the biggest threat to any religion is... success. Religions generally do the best business when there are wars and disease and upheaval of all kinds. They also thrive by promoting an "us versus them" mentality. Religions love their martyrs, as martyrs help demonstrate that some poor slob was actually willing to die for this idea, so there must be something to it.

Look at Judaism in America, for instance. The greatest threat to that religion is not persecution. It's too many Jews being successful and not suffering at all and marrying shiksas. Successful Jews just don't see the point in bowing and scraping before the scary Hebrew God of Storms. They're getting some persecution mileage out of the Holocaust and the conflict with Israel, but even that is getting old. Big difference between American Jews and Israelis.

Even now, there are a lot of people who claim to be "Christians" who don't go to any church. And they incorporate a lot of non-Christian notions into their beliefs, diluting it as time goes by.

My guess is that most atheists realize that there's no way to reason anyone out of a religion, and pointing out a religion's flaws or nasty history won't work either. People just want to believe their crazy stuff.

Maybe a few thousand years from now Christianity will have evolved away from whatever is objectionable about it now. Hard to say. We still drag out our Jack O' Lanterns every year, keeping Jack O' Green alive even after he was supposedly run out of town by the Christians thousands of years ago. Our oldest ghosts and spirits are still hanging around. Gremlins in our computers. Boogie man in our closets. So it's unlikely that the old Grandpa in the Sky is going away anytime soon.

As long as the religious kooks leave me alone, I'll leave them alone. I can live with that.

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reply to post by Nohup


Hi Nohup,
Sounds like a really mature and fair plan.
Kinda like, "Live and let live."
Wouldn't it be nice if we all could?

reply to post by AshleyD


Well said Ashiey,I just finished reading this entire thread was going to respond like wise.

If anything, be it organized atheist etc movements is out to destroy Christianity then so be it,it has always existed and for mine is the fulfilling of the prophesy of the great falling away,those who will not fall are those who`s foundation is built on the Rock.

Those who God call will still be called,complaining about persecution or calling for a truce between the two sides is like asking for cats and dogs to all get along as much as we/some may like/wish it,though of coarse we can all have friends and discuss different topics etc who dont believe.

They dont want to be like us and we are also instructed to come out of them (read dont follow),that we also are not about wrestling with flesh,thats what others want to drag it into,if they succeed in doing that to the individual,or the individual does it all by themself you`ll find that your not walking with the Spirit and realize hopefully its time to stop and get back in the walk.

So I disagree with a poster a few posts above about grouping all types of religions and beliefs together to combat atheists and question your pastors who are all for it.Stop worrying and share the gospel.I suspect you could be being lead into a trap or you have lived in an area that has been virtually unaware that this type of thing (that has always in one form or another) existed and your shocked to finally seeing it does?

As to and like Ashley from his post,many atheists become strong Christians and there are quite a few I could name here on ATS alone and they didn`t get that way by having other Christians in combat against them,they were called then given the personal proof that cannot be denied without lying,well? I know I would have to lie to deny it.

In reading replies on many threads here its plain to see people that are unable to see or admit they have a spirit on them that is opposed to the Holy Spirit that comes out and is heard when ever the mere mention of Christs name or the Holy Spirit is heard or even slightly detected/felt and that is not exclusively to those who label themselves to be atheist,yet blindly and or willfully call it all bunk,this will never change until a day.

So many things are given in a blink of an eye when one receives their personal proof,that the Bible then confirms like this one regarding the above paragraph.

25At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

Whole chapter

All those who fall into this category of being the wise and learned are those who cannot kneel to Gods majesty over and above themselves which is why one needs a heart of a child in reverence toward God first, to receive Him and only God knows one`s heart.

Yet those who believe themselves to be wise and learned will continue to believe they are wise and learned on this planet.Which reaffirms the words of Jesus that the first shall be last and last shall be first.Its not how we humans view in being wise and learned or who holds a high position,status etc, that matters where it counts to and for God.

Sizzle
other than disagreeing with some of your opening post sizzle,you have said a lot of things I respect that was also very well said for mine.

To the person that said "if there is a movement/org that is being formed for the destruction of Christianity that you would give all you own to and in support of it,you will not have to look far to find one,question is will you follow through with it to be found honest on the statement,your opposite was written in the Bible of a women who gave a couple of pennies which was all she had for God and was held in respect for it.Do you think you or anyone could stop people like her from believing? but by all means if your true to your word,the conviction for your belief must be strong,I tip my hat to it if true,now all you have to do is follow through.

If you cant find a decent atheist org which is deserving in your opinion for your monies maybe give it to one of the many corp/business's`s listed here in How the Feminists Built Their Power where a certain group that is spoken about has done more real damage to men women and children just to attack God that we all see and feel on a daily basis that I`ve been aware of for many years.Sorry if my opinion is offensive when I say you atheists look silly in comparison to the real damage thats done other than simply attacking or dismissing God by athiests, those of the same agenda have better ways,then wonder why this rock is so screwed up, when even yourselves are affected or infected.

There are other groups as well if you look hard enough some are religious,governments,games,media etc etc so dont just stop at atheists in your search for donations to the cause of destruction.

Over and out.

reply to post by gps777


Thank you so much for joining us GPS777,
As usual, your comments are right on target. And I take your criticisms in the spirit that they were given. You have been guiding me ever since I arrived here. And no, I am not saying that everything that I do or say is a result of your guidance.
I still have a lot to learn here as well as in life itself. Thank you again.

Originally posted by TyrannyofAmerica

Originally posted by Anatomic Bomb

Would Jesus want ATM's in churches?

Is this serious? Are there really ATM's in churches? Because if there are then the agenda is right there for all to see and there's no way it can be denied.

This is disgusting.

Jesus wants ATM's in churches to help out his father. xD



Actually, it's not a bad idea, the banks are closed on sunday, we go to church that day anyway and it adds a lot more cash to the church fund to pay all the lobbyist for our Christian Neocon Political agendas and that new one to change the country to "The United States of Americhrist" and the currency to "In GOD we believe" then our redress of grievances to deny the Government taxes till they run public schools the way we want to and to finally remove that silly crap about Church and state where the law interprets it as "GOD and state." Two seprate entirely differen't things.
Besides,, it shouldn't bother Atheists since God is non existent.


ya know really give atheists somthing to whine about.

serious Christians,, we should nip this in the bud before it evolves into something more fit to survive, like that increase in new species we keep seeing

[edit on 17-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

christian bashing is ridiculous. christians are like every other group, some are great, some are not.

heres what i deem to be the truth.

the communist manifesto specifically states that to destroy america, you have to destroy the family nucleus, promote homosexuality, destroy christianity, etc etc

and im not claiming that communists are to blame. its just a very good roadmap to destroy our country from the inside out.

#1: im not christian.

however, christians generally have good morals. in the 1950's, the world wasnt such a bad place. my grandfather could leave his wallet by the side of the street and nobody would touch it.

so, before you bash on christians, just imagine that everyone around you is also apathetic, disinterested, depressed, and self-absorbed. well, there goes any need for public functions, family gatherings, and anything worth anything.

so, whether you like christians or not, if the moral majority is removed from the country, which it almost is, you can't expect anything positive to come from it.

Originally posted by tevis69
I have made peace with God, carry Jesus round my neck, and believe in God in the way i want. I don't agree with organized religons, nor with the catholic church in particularIn the famous words of George Michael "Yea I've gotta have Faith..."

I can safely say that I have "Strayed" away from the church... and it doesn't bother me at all.

were you expecting it to? Just out of curiosity,,if you asked you died and ,, St peter asked you why he should allow you into the gates of heaven,,

what would you tell him?

- Con

Originally posted by tevis69
I have made peace with God, carry Jesus round my neck, and believe in God in the way i want. I don't agree with organized religons, nor with the catholic church in particularIn the famous words of George Michael "Yea I've gotta have Faith..."

I can safely say that I have "Strayed" away from the church... and it doesn't bother me at all.

were you expecting it to? Just out of curiosity,, if you died and ,, St peter asked you why he should allow you into the gates of heaven,,

what would you tell him?

- Con

Originally posted by Clearskies
Not to mention the statues in procession that had wet sponges on the inside of their eyelids with a string attached, and when someone put money into the pot, the priest would pull the string, causing the statue to 'cry' at their piety.

Wow,, the one at My church always says " Cha ChInG! $

- Love con

Originally posted by Nohup
Big difference between American Jews and Israelis.

Even now, there are a lot of people who claim to be "Christians" who don't go to any church. And they incorporate a lot of non-Christian notions into their beliefs, diluting it as time goes by.

Maybe a few thousand years from now Christianity will have evolved away from whatever is objectionable about it now.

As long as the religious kooks leave me alone, I'll leave them alone. I can live with that.
[edit on 16-1-2008 by Nohup]

a lot of what you say rings true regarding the quasi secular christians I see that in their posts all the time.

I wonder sometimes if we will last another 2000 years.


- Con



[edit on 17-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Maya432
Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

God I hope so. (no Pun intended)

Religion is a prison. a prison for your soul.
A reason to WAR
A way to separate us/divide us.
Pit us againts each other.
A reason to kill
to control with fear
I`m sorry if I`m stomping on your believes.
its not your fault ...I was fooled too.
and so were/are billions of others.

the only way for the people of earth to live as one is to
DROP all the RELIGIOUS B.S.

time for us to grow out of the farytale...and realize
there is no SANTA.

[edit on 15-1-2008 by Maya432]

While I agree with what you say to some extent, there is this thing you sould be aware of. Religion, what does this word mean? Do you know? It means RE+Legio=Religion. Re means again, while legio to unite. So Religion means to re-unite.

Why reunite? Because once, the story says aka the "Bible", people had one language and one belief, but then something happened and people started having many languages and believes. So guess what happened, religion came into existence with the purpose to re-unite the people into one.

I find this very interesting.