How "the law of attraction" works

reply to post by Skyfloating


Hi

I agree with you. From what I’ve heard and read "The Secret" is as useful as a car with no engine.

All that I can add to this discussion, formula wise, (lol, it is lacking, no one can put it in words, not even close) is this: make all your decisions based on what your heart tells you to do, with time, when you look up from the work you are doing from the heart, and you look around, you'll see that you have amazing opportunities within your reach. Also, a certain peace or knowing becomes your base, which will on occasion manifest miracles when combined with passion/strength/determination of heart. Oh, also need to add that there are no limits.

STM

reply to post by seentoomuch


Youve summed up an entire life.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by scientist
I actually took a class from Bandler himself less than a year ago. I wouldn't say he abandoned NLP, but rather... NLP grew up, became it's own organization, and then abandoned him.

I like Bandlers innovative craziness.

vidsearch.myspace.com...

Me too. Here is a clip of his move towards hypnosis. He has a clear grasp on how th mind works but not so relevant for LOA. Love the guys material though.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Illahee]

Originally posted by seentoomuch
I’m letting loose here. I have not read all of the pages but I have to say something. I’m sorry if it has already been posted, but here goes:

I’m sure you’re very comfortable with this method in which you give no effort, no heart. It’s all packaged up in a very easy package, just like the ones bought in Walmart. I’m sorry, but the truth is not some message you train your brain to say and acknowledge as fact, that is just an outline. It has to come from the heart, our true brain, and with passion. We have been taught to believe our brain is the main source of thinking but that is not so. Our heart is the true brain and energy source of our body and our intentions; it’s what makes the world turn once it connects to the heart of the universe(s) aka God. Heartfelt passions change the world.

STM


[edit on 1/15/2008 by seentoomuch]

Well said STM!

Great thread Skyfloating, seriously Ive never understood what the LOA was all about untill now. I've just realised that this is something that Ive been doing all my life. I constantly day dream about the present past and mostly the future. I realised in my late teen's that creating out of love and passion can be very positive and powerful, making your desired path in life materialize before your very own eyes. Many people in the past have had this gift, being able to use that gift to acomplish many almost impossible feats. I came close to letting go recently and never looking back because of some personal problems, and the feeling I got was of pure regret, a feeling that Ive never felt before. This made me realize how far I had come to my goal and that quiting now would of been the biggest mistake Id ever make in my life.

Originally posted by Illahee
This is my introduction to the condensed version. It has not been edited for spelling punctuation or content so it still needs some work. From here its goes to the nuts and bolts from a medical perspective.

The Science of Creation
Our next subject, is related to the act of creation or the formation of solid objects, goals, or outcomes, conceived in thought. It is the use of the Law of Love for the purpose of creation.

It can best be described as a Fully Enveloping and FEELING Love of an impersonal nature, that is focused at a goal to be obtained, and then receiving that goal in reality, as an outcome or as a three dimensional object.

Several new books and DVDs are out right now with their own spin on using the Spiritual Laws to ones own desires and self gain with no regard as to the consequences of those types of actions. This however is not a science to be used or abused the way that is being taught. Nature abhors a vacuum and when some is taken other rushes in. In modern language: As you sow, so shall you reap. Be warned.

Here is an early post. I tend to think that what is in your heart will end up in your mind and much work needs to be done to clean up the feelings and thoughts before one can experience the full benefit of any system.

Thats just me. I could very well be wrong. I may have some occult text that is similar and will look to see the accepted thought if any.

Here is the reference I was thinking of.

"Thought that adds to feeling, is creative of force, and is given quantity and volume by the use of voice"

They reality is, it is prayer and needs only to be spoken softly and in private. Never where it would be given presence with negative forces or persons.



This follows in the healing steps I have outlined as hard and fast steps to success. In general because there are so many differing beliefs, that in healing where success is Required the list includes all of the known steps of creation. In reality a highly skilled worker may need to perform none of them, and gain result by merely thinking and feeling, once the process has been fully mastered.

reply to post by The_Crimson_King


Indeed. The energy that passion and enthusiasm can generate is unbeatable.

reply to post by Illahee


Indeed. The proper tools of creation depend on who the workman is. What method is "good" or "not good" depend on who is using the method.


So who all who ask "Does this stuff work?"

The answer is: Depends on who´s asking.

Originally posted by seentoomuch
Our heart is the true brain and energy source of our body and our intentions; it’s what makes the world turn once it connects to the heart of the universe(s) aka God. Heartfelt passions change the world.

STM
[edit on 1/15/2008 by seentoomuch]

Studies are showing that while we consider ourselves to be a "rational" species that makes decisions that have been reasoned out, the truth seems to be closer to, "we have an emotional reaction, we act, and we rationalize our behaviour AFTER the fact." So in that sense I agree with you. However I sense some judgment on your part about using the mind or brain vs acting and living from the "heart" or emotional center. And would just like to remind you that there are very few people more passionate than, say, suicide bombers. Hitler was very passionate in his hatred of non-Aryan peoples. The people in Rwanda who hacked up all those others sure looked pretty passionate on video. There is a lot of passion at a lynching, a stoning, a witch burning, etc. Passion factors into quite a few domestic homicides as well. Passion does change the world, I absolutely agree with you about that. And perhaps in a very abstract way all of these aforementioned are not "bad" if you really want to get into a very deep discussion and include non-dualism. However most "regular folk" do not consider these acts a desirable way to manifest change in the world. Especially if there were viable alternatives.

Perhaps you should try to think of LOA along those lines. Alternatives to doing things and manifesting things the way we currently do, which has historically been rather bloody and brutal, and still is. And I hardly think "lazy" is a good way to label someone who is actively monitoring both their thinking AND their emotional state and trying to moderate it on as close to a continual basis as possible.

By the way, I completely sense your "good" intentions. I know you are not advocating that we manifest change by genocide, or some other passion driven war. However perhaps before we completely throw the brain out the window we should use it to examine whether passion completely devoid of reason is always what we would choose, if we were making choices.

Edit: I am not sure "moderate" is a good word for what one is actually doing. After all, as Skyfloating points out we dont want to slap "smiley face" stickers on our fears, etc. We are more using them as navigational devices than actively trying to change them, I guess. Not totally clear on how to describe that, honestly.

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Great post... This makes alot of sense. I recently watched the 'Secret' and read the book. They make it seem as though attaining what you want is easy... words, thoughts, actions=what you want(ex.- money, happiness, men, women, great job, etc.) I buy into the concept but they do not go into true detail about how to grasp or have a full understanding of the law. What is the Secret? The law of attraction!!! Ok... uhhhh... sure... I guess...

My questions are simple and maybe you can give me some insight. Do you believe that universal energy brings us what we think, feel, act, etc.?

[edit on 16-1-2008 by gabriel5578]

No one has yet put forth the hybrid work. This entails the focus and an actual effort in the direction of the focus. Some schools of thought say you should not interfere with the process and some encourage it. This is a hybrid example. These are the types of tests that I have conducted for quite some time trying different methods from different sources. I can say it works for me with an accuracy that is hard to imagine and requires extra effort on my part to think things through.


An Applied Creation test:
I had looked for a test of accuracy. In my kitchen, I had an old crockery jug of the type used for moonshine. It had a lead based glaze and had been broken in half and glued together. I took the moment on examining it, and decided that I wanted a new one that was food safe to use for hard cider. Now a cider jug has a domed top and the whiskey has a funnel shaped top, so I imagined the new jug with a dome top. I then thought if I could find one that had some decoration to that top would be fine, and lastly I wanted a good new cork so I would not have to find one for it. I set that desire in mind with an exact vision of what it should look like and otherwise exactly the same as the glued together broken one, only usable for cider. The very next day I typed in Cider Jug on a search engine,and saw the exact earthenware one I had thought about, and sent my card number and address. A week later I brought it inside and unwrapped it in front of my wife, It was covered with about six layers of bubble wrap and suspended in the center of foam peanuts. As I unwrapped it, I discovered much to both of our dismay a chip in the stoneware around the top of the cylinder shaped side. My wife felt bad for me and it was too heavy to send back, shipping wise, so I set it on the counter and when I did, we noticed the bottom was not flat and it rocked a tiny bit back and forth. Disappointed I put the jug out of sight, and we continued on that evening. The next day when I was alone, I put it on the counter, got the old jug out, and put it next to the first. In addition, it wobbled on the exact same uneven bottom with the very same orientation to the handle within 2-3 degrees. Something virtually impossible to re-create, and then I nearly passed out. Both jugs had a chip in the exact same spot. The exact same shape and size of chip. I still have them both to this day.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


I find it completely right not to polarize too much between "heart" and "mind" but to see soul/subconscious/heart/body/ego as ONE unit.

A certain brand of spiritual teaching advocates to "kill the ego" and other such stuff. Rather, the mind can be seen as a useful tool to operate in physical space-time reality. Without the ego as an I-dentity we could not properly focus on this time-space and explore it.

Which is why students of psycho-spiritual practice are advised to examine every single word and definition as not to be lead astray to a life of unhappiness. Some poor souls are still sitting in a cave trying to "kill the ego" (the very thing that makes them human), while the for the rest of us, the party goes on.

Philosophies of "Ascension" and "Enlightenment" and "Non-Duality" teach that it is valid and desirable to be or do something else than concern oneself with the world. But I dont think we came here in the first place in order to "get away".

Appreciation of Life is more fun than denial of life.

Originally posted by gabriel5578
My questions are simple and maybe you can give me some insight. Do you believe that universal energy brings us what we think, feel, act, etc.?

Simple answer: Yes.

More specifically: BEingness is what is reflected. Before you "get" something, you have to BE the the vibration of that. This is similar to film-acting except that its not acting but making something real before its real so to speak.

"The Secret" shows a kindergarden-version of it because they dont dare share this crazy sounding stuff.

You can only have what you already have. So if you want to have something, stop wanting it and already have it. Sounds strange, but that sums it up.

Of course that requires getting "up to speed" with the desired object: Changing yourSELF.

Most people think they can get something without changing anything. This is not the law of attraction though. You cant be the same energy and expect to get something different.

"Something for nothing" is not the philosophy of a LOA-practitioner, but that of a criminal

[edit on 16-1-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Simple answer: Yes.

More specifically: BEingness is what is reflected. Before you "get" something, you have to BE the the vibration of that. This is similar to film-acting except that its not acting but making something real before its real so to speak.

Yes, this is kind of what I have been trying to really get a handle on. Seentomuch is onto this concept as well when she points out that "The Secret's" version of LOA is 'like a car without an engine.' It is so much more than "thinking" or "focusing one's attention upon" objects of desire. Our creative energy is often not in alignment with our thinking mind. Like a driver with lots of maps, and a great idea of where they want to go, and no energy or means to get there. No way to actualize the plan.

Pure emotion is like all engine and no steering capability, no driver. It may "do stuff" but what it does (at least it seems to me) is sort of veer about recklessly. It may get us where we desire, but it may take out innocent bystanders on the way. It may also lead us to a place we do NOT wish to be.

BEing-ness, as you phrase it, seems to be the coordination of all the aspects. I think what I am trying to understand is how each element functions when it is in its proper role. (Hence all the questions about emotions like fear) I could not agree more that it is a grave error to try to eliminate parts (like ego) or polarize (giving too much weight to either mind or emotion) and feel that balance is key. Harmony of the elements, which allows each to operate in its proper place, to BE, is obviously key. Plato's Republic is a long, (very long) and most excellent discourse on this harmony, and even discusses the individual parts in great detail. I am mostly perplexed by the "getting up to speed" aspect of this.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
"The Secret" shows a kindergarden-version of it because they dont dare share this crazy sounding stuff.

You can only have what you already have. So if you want to have something, stop wanting it and already have it. Sounds strange, but that sums it up.

Yeah, it was awesome to introduce it to the masses, even in an incomplete way, just because that helps tip the "weight" of belief, even if ever so slightly, in favor of our accepting this possibility. Illahee has a very good point when he brings up that the mass or collective consciousness has an impact on the individual consciousness. Whether or not the "two" are truly distinct or separate in any "real" way is obviously an intriguing issue, but probably not resolvable with language itself being constructed in such a way up to make and reinforce distinctions rather than consider or discuss the opposite possibility. ("No-THING-ness" as one mystic phrases it) However you are right, "The Secret" was carefully worked so as to appeal to the greatest number without creating undue offense, which also neuters it as a technique. Whether the individuals invovled consciously chose to do this for altruistic reasons, or were motivated by sales I could not say. Ultimately it doesnt matter what their specific intent was, it seems to me the "time" is right for our consciousness to change enmasse regarding creation and reality, as this message is coming from many angles. Science, media, movies, literature, philosophy, and individual experiences. (dreams, realizations, etc.)

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Most people think they can get something without changing anything. This is not the law of attraction though. You cant be the same energy and expect to get something different.

Which is why I was trying in that abandoned draft to understand the energy transmission aspect via the voltage drop analogy. What precisely allows/causes this energy change? The term "clearing" arises for me, and I am trying understand it better.

reply to post by Illahee


Lol. I love the jug story. I have been quite successful at "teaching myself lessons" about careless creation. Far more successful in that regard than in aligning my mental desires with my creative power. I think it was Skyfloating who said when you set an intent the universe gets you to it in the fastest possible way, regardless of the consequences or how "pretty" it is, and I have managed a few examples of that for certain. Digging down to what I really (at the core of my Being) want seems to be my problem. I seem (judging from results) to have a lot of unconscious conflict between my soul and mind going on that I would like to become more conscious of. I actually seem to be, in the last year or two, to be creating quite a bit, but what troubles me is that I dont seem to have very good mastery over what I create. Sometimes it is what I "asked for" (even when I am reminded upon receiving it that I should have thought that through a bit better) and other times it is almost the opposite of what I think I want, which tells me by the fact there is a relationship to the request (opposition) that I am involved but in conflict somehow.

Ultimately, I want what is best for my soul, my core being, much more than I want what would make my physical life easier, but ideally I would like to bring the two into harmony. Perhaps that is the conflict right there.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Yes, this is kind of what I have been trying to really get a handle on. Seentomuch is onto this concept as well when she points out that "The Secret's" version of LOA is 'like a car without an engine.' It is so much more than "thinking" or "focusing one's attention upon" objects of desire. Our creative energy is often not in alignment with our thinking mind. Like a driver with lots of maps, and a great idea of where they want to go, and no energy or means to get there. No way to actualize the plan.

There is however, a method that feels appropriate to YOU, a method found or created by you. In this thread you have already been forming some of your methodological ideas.

Pure emotion is like all engine and no steering capability, no driver. It may "do stuff" but what it does (at least it seems to me) is sort of veer about recklessly. It may get us where we desire, but it may take out innocent bystanders on the way. It may also lead us to a place we do NOT wish to be.

Disagreed. Pure intentions felt with peaceful/relaxed (slightly joyful) emotions in the body will neither take out innocents neither lead us astray. They are the reliable indicator of the soul.

BEing-ness, as you phrase it, seems to be the coordination of all the aspects. I think what I am trying to understand is how each element functions when it is in its proper role. (Hence all the questions about emotions like fear) I could not agree more that it is a grave error to try to eliminate parts (like ego) or polarize (giving too much weight to either mind or emotion) and feel that balance is key. Harmony of the elements, which allows each to operate in its proper place, to BE, is obviously key. Plato's Republic is a long, (very long) and most excellent discourse on this harmony, and even discusses the individual parts in great detail. I am mostly perplexed by the "getting up to speed" aspect of this.

Yes, and in coordinating all the pieces, one neither exercises too much control (=worry/fear), nor too little control (=apathy). The very asking of the questions you ask is an indicator that you are already well on the way for finding your individual balance.

A key aspect of that is taking little "time-outs" on a daily basis.

What precisely allows/causes this energy change?

Will. Focus switch. Release of Resistance. (not the dozens of different ways to focus at the beginning of the thread).

Originally posted by Illahee
An Applied Creation test:

I completely missed that post.


If we pay a little attention we can see that manifestation happens every day. Not one day without it. Not one.

I write intention-lists on a regular basis, then forget about those intentions. A few months ago I wrote down: "Gosh, it would be nice to have the car cleaned by the universe".

Ever since then, I did not have to clean my own car once. By a strange chain of coincidences it has always been taken care of for me.

I returned from vacation last week. While I was gone, someone asked to use my car only once to run some errands. When I returned, to my delight, she had not only used my car but had it completely cleaned AND one of the mirrors repaired AND returned it with a full tank. Three similar incidents of car-cleaning before that.





[edit on 17-1-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Illahee

 

Ultimately, I want what is best for my soul, my core being, much more than I want what would make my physical life easier, but ideally I would like to bring the two into harmony. Perhaps that is the conflict right there.

Its easy to get what you don't want or specify.

The secret, or LOA has always been taught for centuries after instruction for the purification of ones being through self examination and then the hard work of change. Typically this was through a Rosicrucian school, and we can see from the DVD there are flashes of the word "Rosicruc" that come across the screen. The final letters never completed so it could be attached to any of the current groups and indeed all have accepted it. I teach the principles straight from the bible and people are shocked. They may have read it a dozen times but never noticed what it really says. This is very convenient since its not a requirement to pack a bunch of materials around and there is usually a reference text close if needed.

Unfortunately after being a watcher at the Secret forum, They delete posts and Ban anyone that suggests that some of the things people ask about may not be in their best interest. I watched this go on over a three week period. If you were to ask what comes next, is there anymore teaching, etc. The posts disappear. If however you ask about doing what is wrong they will tell you it is fine to do so. I never signed up there but saw some rather odd behavior. Bottom line, if anything comes up on their forum that won't glamorize the DVD and boost its sales potential it tends to go away fast.


Myself I believe if you do not have a chosen path that promotes doing right and the betterment of the soul, it would be good to chose one and study its principles and mimic them even if you do not have a full belief in the path.

Remember the LOA and the Law of vibration work anyway, without any attention. The secret, AKA: Creation is the manipulation of the laws to produce a specific result.

It simply can not harm you to choose to be positive and follow a positive path which will utilize what is going on in the background all the time anyway.

The problems,chips, and wobbles come from a lack of the persons that had the knowledge all through time, never testing, recording and then leaving behind an accurate set of procedures for each possible endeavor.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Illahee
An Applied Creation test:

I completely missed that post.

If we pay a little attention we can see that manifestation happens every day. Not one day without it. Not one.

I write intention-lists on a regular basis, then forget about those intentions. A few months ago I wrote down: "Gosh, it would be nice to have the car cleaned by the universe".

Ever since then, I did not have to clean my own car once. By a strange chain of coincidences it has always been taken care of for me.

I returned from vacation last week. While I was gone, someone asked to use my car only once to run some errands. When I returned, to my delight, she had not only used my car but had it completely cleaned AND one of the mirrors repaired AND returned it with a full tank. Three similar incidents of car-cleaning before that.

[edit on 17-1-2008 by Skyfloating]

This is exactly why I said you were giving gold nuggets away a while back. While intention lists are very positive, they didn't pan out for me in practice, with only a 15-20% return. I still make them and still have a board but there again the return was too small to be a focus.

This is however a great example and I would include it as a documented test even if the exact dates may be a little memory faded. It seems the how can only really be understood when going back and looking at the successes.

Great example, and something that has not been brought up before now.

The expected request, is an ongoing request that does not end and is held in feeling. Because no one has told you this it may have never jumped out at you but holding the feeling of the times that you had it happened and focusing on an ongoing and never ending cycle......Well I can tell you from experience that is exactly what happens. In the car park sequence we see a man go though the cycle to get car parks. My wife and I did this too. Once. Now if we do not receive the space we automatically examine what is negative about our activity or thoughts and correct it. They always come back by the next time they are needed.