World’s Largest Supercollider Could Destroy the Universe

Originally posted by Rhain
I wonder if scientists know all there is to know about this kind of experiment. All the "What ifs" are staggering. They may find out that some strange element or distortion is created as a by-product from the force needed to create the micro black hole that could tear a hole in our dimension and allow who know what to come through. (pure speculation I know)

Sorry, but when I read your post I immediately thought of The movie Howard the duck.

Peace

I think there's going to be some truly amazing discoveries to be made with this collider, I'm talking life changing discoveries.

Buddhasystem, hello, could you tell us more on your work involving this project, please? Might you have some uncommon knowledge to share about this collider? thanks fella.

Originally posted by masqua
A new black hole is just another black hole among millions of others already in existence in this universe, so I don't see it destroying much more than our planet and eventually our solar system. The galaxy we're a part of is likely already host to a black hole, so it won't be a huge issue to the Alpha Centauris.

Good call. I was hesitant to use the title of this article for the thread title, just because of that reason. I stuck with it because my post was about the article. We know that it won't destroy the universe. I think the better term would be solar system. Either way we would still be gone though.

for those of you, who wish to know more:


The Six Billion Dollar Experiment.


HF

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I'd be much more worried about them creating strange matter. Apparently the strange quarks turn anything they touch into more strange quarks. It could gobble up the earth and then eventually the universe.

www.wisdomofsolomon.com...

My only question is, does it hurt?

Originally posted by SevenThunders
I'd be much more worried about them creating strange matter. Apparently the strange quarks turn anything they touch into more strange quarks. It could gobble up the earth and then eventually the universe.

www.wisdomofsolomon.com...

My only question is, does it hurt?

If there would be such a thing as an uncontrollable quarkification of your body, I think it would hurt quite a bit if it was a slow process, if not then it would be like instantly evaporating I suppose.

Either way, let's hope we don't have to find out. (although, you have to admit, it's a pretty original way to go )

All of the black holes in the universe, well they were civilizations that wanted to experiment with particle acceleration and BAM!!! Looks like we are about to join the cosmic dunce club

Originally posted by koenw


If there would be such a thing as an uncontrollable quarkification

of your body, I think it would hurt quite a bit if it was a slow process, if not then it would be like instantly evaporating I suppose.

Either way, let's hope we don't have to find out. (although, you have to admit, it's a pretty original way to go

)

Well I suppose that's one more thing to look forward too. I'll add it to black holes swallowing the earth, nuclear war, global warming, global cooling, population reduction, global dictatorship and Ebola.

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Actually I would not worry about it. They think they already made a black hole at Brookhaven back in 2005. It lasted 13 million billionth of a second. Actually at CERN they will be looking more for the Higgs Boson a particle that I think is suppose to help them decide what makes up matter. At any rate, the math has been done and the black holes if created will evaporate, and many scientists have already known and others have done the math probably still doing the math as far back as 2003. Actually there are many science papers about black holes, the theory, the Hawking Radiation, and anything else about these oddities of spacetime, even to the theory that time could reverse and travel back in time or forward in time due to the extreme gravitional pull that bends spacetime getting near a black hole. This really has been going on actually since Stephen Hawking came up with the possibilities of black holes existing somewhere as far back as the mid-seventies ('70's).


arxiv.org...

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The figure sounds reassuring until you learn that there was a very nasty accident months ago that set back the project by a year--in scientific terms, a really big hunk of expensive, complex stuff fell over. Hope the guy who calculated that probability wasn't also in on the design.

Makes me for one feel entirely confident they've got this pesky black hole question well under control!

And BTW, the universe wouldn't be destroyed, just our little corner of it, zipped into a singularity--talk about overcrowding on the planet.

What would you think if all these little black holes that may be created and then evaporate are actually a universe in all it's glory going through its natural cycle in an instant (from our point of view) Monkeys get smart - worship he god of the Hadron collider, love, life literature, war, peace, evolution and destruction all in the blink of an eye (and a few key strokes).

Darn... wonder what the operators of our supercollider will do after this experiment? pub lunch maybe?

If God created the universe and we wind up destroying it, then that makes us... (?)

I think that maybe than we would of committed deicide.Im pretty sure your god of choice wont let that happen so were safe

The fact that there is a thought of the destruction of the universe due to the workings of this machine is laughable. There are super massive black holes all over the universe and none of them have led to its destruction during our time, so how do you expect a little machine on a tiny little blue planet to do so?

No black holes have ever been observed in real life!

Only conditions witch can be mathmatically manipulated and imagined into a black hole have been observed.

But a black hole have never been seen!

As for the acceleration of a proton to almost "socalled" speed of light, it should magically turn into infinete mass!!!

Rubbish....when this experiment is done and over, and no infinete mass has come of it, and no black holes have come of it, science will have proven both Einstein and standard science flawed.
But im sure they will come up with an excuse so they can continue wasting the taxpayers money and protect their own jobs.

However the acceleration of a proton to that magnitude, could cause serious radiation and leave the whole site a radiated hazard zone....
But we will all find out when it is over.

Maybe they will open the black hole, god will appear out of it and say
"what the # do you think your doing"

Originally posted by Bluess
No black holes have ever been observed in real life!

Only conditions witch can be mathmatically manipulated and imagined into a black hole have been observed.

But a black hole have never been seen!

Thats because they're black.

As for the acceleration of a proton to almost "socalled" speed of light, it should magically turn into infinete mass!!!

Well, likely a black hole would come of it, if you had the energy to do it, but I think it's easier to do collide two particles to do it. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think an atom sized black hole (corresponding in mass to Mount everest) wouldn't last very long, and the mass of one created at CERN wouldn't be anywhere near that big.
Edit: the problem is, everyone thinks of a black hole as huge and gobbling up everything instantly. If the event horizon is smaller than that of a proton, the point where the escape velocity is negligible will be very small as well, since the force of gravity follows an inverse square law.

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Hmmm....Half-Life anyone....??

Kinda reminds me of the black mesa project in the game, that opened up portals to another dimension....which later on led to aliens invading earth in Half-Life 2

CERN have always reminded me of Black Mesa somehow

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what ever they do it will be confined within the main collision unit.
a chain reaction will occur but only within the limitations of the chamber.

To create a black hole capable of destroying earth we would have to have advanced into a type 1 civilization.
We are hundreds of years from reaching this status.

Thread that deals with questions and the dangers with the LHC, i found it interesting. At the bottom are two articles on edge.org, it's a great source of information..

On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, there was a devastating explosion deep in the tunnel at the CERN particle accelerator complex that actually blew a 20 ton magnet right off its mountings. The explosion filled the tunnel with helium and forced a mass evacuation of the facility.

physorg forum thread

I think we're about to enter a new Golden Age in fundamental physics. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), which should begin to operate at CERN, near Geneva, starting in summer 2007, will probe the behavior of matter at energies higher than ever accessed before. There is no consensus about what we'll find there. I'm still fond of a calculation that Savas Dimopoulos, Stuart Raby and I did in 1981. We found—speaking roughly—that we could unify the description of fundamental interactions (gauge unification) only within an expanded version of relativity, which includes transformations of spin (supersymmetry). To make that dual unification we had to bring in new particles, which were too heavy to be observed at the time, but ought to be coming into range at the LHC. If they do exist we'll have a new world of phenomena to discover and explore.

FRANK WILCZEK, Physicist, MIT; Recipient, 2004 Nobel Prize in Physics; Author, Fantastic Realities

Edge article
The energy of empty space that isn't zero

Originally posted by Bluess
No black holes have ever been observed in real life!
But a black hole have never been seen!
But im sure they will come up with an excuse so they can continue wasting the taxpayers money and protect their own jobs.
But we will all find out when it is over.

I hate to burst your bubble, but black holes have been seen in real life, and they can be observed easily on a daily basis. One simply has to drive to Ottawa, or Queen's Park in Toronto Ontario Canada, and enter the Finance Department of either our federal or provincial government. You will quickly get the meaning of my post, and will totally change your opinion on this subject. My tax dollars, along with several hundred billion flow into these black holes on an annual basis. I am sure other countries have them as well.

Peace!


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