us planes unleash 40,000 pounds of bombs

reply to post by _Phoenix_


Have they nuke the cities of Iraq? Cause you know I bet you were hoping that the U.S. would do such a thing, meeting your expectations about the U.S.

It pains you to see the U.S. not doing it eh? It pisses you off that only 20 tons of ordinance was used. You be sreaming at your computer screen telling America to drop their bombs and send every city to ashes like we did during World War II.

Originally posted by Koka
You make the grand assumption that these are bombs that only kill insurgents, do the US have bombs that are capable of making such judgement calls?

Yes, yes they do!
What sort of a dumb question is that?

Originally posted by indierockalien
This is such a joke. It's pure genocide. "Insurgents" and "al qieda" are huge cop outs. The only thing that's there against us are native people who's lives have been ruined by our holier than thou meatheaded gi joes blowing up their homes and ramsacking what government they did have fir almost 5 years now.

Tell that to the Iraq men in the their army fighting with the U.S. soldiers.
I swear, it's like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes.

[edit on 10-1-2008 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by _Phoenix_

 

Have they nuke the cities of Iraq? Cause you know I bet you were hoping that the U.S. would do such a thing, meeting your expectations about the U.S.

It pains you to see the U.S. not doing it eh? It pisses you off that only 20 tons of ordinance was used. You be sreaming at your computer screen telling America to drop their bombs and send every city to ashes like we did during World War II.

No actually quite the opposite! what the hell? what kind of person do you think I am?

I just wanted to see if you would support the military or not if they ever were to do such a thing.

delta your comment about `the enemy` made me chuckle - thats exactly how the `freedom fighters` see the US.

reply to post by musselwhite


We are a focal point of hatred, for all we do in aid, we do more to make people angry by occupying their countries. I dont know about anyone else, but if there were chinese, russians or anyother countries military occupying this country. I would pick up my gun, and take the fight to them. I dont agree with our leaders, they fight for greed and power with the blood of other peoples children.

However in war I would rather see it end quicky, and this is absolutley something we should have been doing from the begining. There would have been less loss of life on either side if we would have let the bombs fly and kept the ground troops engagements at a minimum. Right or wrong you cant fight a war such as this when there is no apparent enemy with ground troops. Especially with ground troops that have stricter rules of engagement then a state trooper.

I feel for any loss of life, I hate war, I hate to think of the death of anyone in such a barbaric fashion. Right or wrong being over there, when these insurgents fight, they are responsible as well for any innocent loss of life, same with the people that give the orders to our troops. It is a bad deal, and I think unless we make major changes here at home, it is just going to keep going and going.

reply to post by Harlequin


Exactly...and how do we treat our enemies in response that they treat us? Isn't that how wars are to be? Or are you hoping we resolve the issues with pillow fights in wars?

Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by deltaboy
Why should I show concerned about insurgents getting blown up? I understand your feelings for insurgents' lives, but you need to get over it.

You make the grand assumption that these are bombs that only kill insurgents, do the US have bombs that are capable of making such judgement calls?

Here we go. How long before al-jazeera starts claiming that the U.S. blew up 10 orphanages and 25 hospitals and a poor little girl's birthday party?

How will we know when al-jazeera starts making those BS claims? Easy, we have people here ready and waiting to scream about U.S. "atrocities". Sounds like some are already getting ramped up on this thread.


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reply to post by gunner36


What I think is ironic is how the U.S. military realized that 2,000 pound bombs were too powerful for this kind of conflict. That it would do so much damage. Killing insurgents along with civilians nearby in urban areas. Now the military is using 500 pound bombs and less to do less collateral damage. What has happened to our military?

If you have an extra 4 minutes of your life check out this video by Smile Empty Soul.


[edit on 10-1-2008 by interestedalways]

Originally posted by gunner36
reply to post by musselwhite

 

We are a focal point of hatred, for all we do in aid, we do more to make people angry by occupying their countries. I dont know about anyone else, but if there were chinese, russians or anyother countries military occupying this country. I would pick up my gun, and take the fight to them. I dont agree with our leaders, they fight for greed and power with the blood of other peoples children.

Good post.

Imagine countries wanting to take over the USA because they think President Bush is a danger to world peace, and they want him to give up nuclear weapons? They come bombing your town, people die, people go crazy and want revenge, etc etc,

People would want to fight back, people like deltaboy.
Deltaboy would then become like a insurgent, he asks why should he care about the deaths of insurgents? well because they are just like him, human beings.



[edit on 10-1-2008 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by _Phoenix_


No, I would be a soldier. Thats what the military is for and you joined it if the enemy is invading. Not dress in civilian clothing and make the enemy think the whole population is an army because of my clothing. The enemy has the right to kill me if I have a weapon in my hands. Whether I be sniped or bombed from the air.

reply to post by interestedalways


Purely an anti-war propaganda film, with an anti-american slant. And not a very well made one at that. BTW, where are the 9/11 scenes from the WTC and Pentagon in that video? See what I mean?

Go ahead and turn the other cheek if you want to. I would just remind you that you only have two, and so do the people in your family ...


[edit on 1/10/2008 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Imagine countries wanting to take over the USA because they think President Bush is a danger to world peace, and they want him to give up nuclear weapons? They come bombing your town, people die, people go crazy and want revenge, etc etc,

People would want to fight back, people like deltaboy.
Deltaboy would then become an like a insurgent, he asks why should he care about the deaths of insurgents? well they are just like him, human beings.

The problem with your faulty logic is that you are comparing the current climate in the U.S. with that of Iraq during Saddam's reign. There is no comparison and it makes your analogy totally moot.

The U.S. is not run by a dictatorship and for the most part, things are good. Most people are fat and happy. Now try and remember the way things were in Iraq when Saddam was in control. He held onto power with a iron fist. He killed and tortured people who went against him or even people who would only talk bad about him. Saddam gassed an entire town in his country, killing many. He invaded Kuwait and was about to invade Saudi Arabia. The people of Iraq wanted him gone. And please don't forget it was not just the U.S., there were many countries involved in getting rid of Saddam plus numerous UN sanctions and resolutions against him.

[edit on 10-1-2008 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

reply to post by deltaboy


Well our military is definitely kinder and gentler now a days. Gone are the days of ww2 when leaflets were handed out to warn civilians and then the place was bombed back to the stone age. I am sorry but if we would have fought this war from the begining with technology we have from the air instead of the ground, we would be done with it. There absolutely would have been less loss of life on both sides, the bombs now a days arent the bombs of yesterday. They are mostly precision guided, and they hit their intended target. If you are gonna fight a war fight a war, we arent fighting a war, we invaded and now occupy a country for some reason that makes sense to the elites in this country. It makes no sense to me.

reply to post by gunner36


Well you think occupying a piece of estate don't make sense, even though past wars shows that you need to do such a thing. Its not like America plans to live in Iraq forever, just containing the violence. As people here have said before, if you break, you fix it.

news.yahoo.com...

WASHINGTON - Iraq's western province of Anbar, hotbed of the Sunni Arab insurgency for the first four years of the war, will be returned to Iraqi control in March, a senior U.S. general said Thursday.

In a telephone interview from Iraq, Marine Maj. Gen. Walter E. Gaskin, commander of the roughly 35,000 Marine and Army forces in Anbar, said levels of violence have dropped so significantly — coupled with the growth and development of Iraqi security forces in the province — that Anbar is ready to be handed back to the Iraqis.

Thus far, nine of 18 Iraqi provinces have reverted to Iraqi control, most recently the southern province of Basra in December. The process has gone substantially slower than the Bush administration once hoped, mainly because of obstacles to developing sufficient Iraqi police and army forces. But Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that he expects the process to continue.

Gates also said he was encouraged by security gains achieved in Anbar and Baghdad in the year since President Bush ordered an extra 30,000 U.S. troops to those areas of Iraq in what became known as a "surge." Gates said it has created new promise for long-delayed political reconciliation.

reply to post by interestedalways



Thanks for taking the time to post that vid,the music matched the scenes perfectly.

I agree we need to fix what we broke, but if you think we are not going to remain in Iraq you are crazy. We will still maintain a presense in Iraq, further fueling hatred of the US for meddling in other countries affairs. I am all for an eye for an eye, but this crap has gone on long enough, it is time to stop our occupation of other countries in the form of military bases and bring our troops home.

reply to post by noangels



Thank you. It is actually a song with the vidoe to work with it. It isn't propaganda it is a Band and their Vision.

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