Who has the best Special Forces ?

Originally posted by buckaroo
I agree Howlrunner might know better being an Australian ,

As opposed to me being an Australian

*does the Australian SAS CRW wing(or equivolent) split in to Red (air and mountain troop) And Blue (boat and mobility troop) troop like 22 SAS? and if im right on there only being 3 sabre squadrons what are the rotational durations like ,any one know? just out of curiosity.Btw it seems that a Sabre squadron in 22 SAS will spend between 6-9 months on CRW deployment.

THe SASR has an OAG ( Offshore Assault Group ) and TAG ( Tactical Assault Group ). This is the anti-terrorist arm and they undergo extensive extra training on top of a normal SASR trooper.

Originally posted by buckaroo
But im sure that The Australian SAS only have one regiment with 3 sabre squadrons,4 troops to a squadron and Id imagine a head quaters squadron and a signal squadron might be wrong.

As far as I know, there are 3 Sabre Squadrons and 1 HQ Squadron and, if my memory is correct, 151 Signals Squadron is attached to Campbell Barracks.

Also, as far as I know, once you are in the TAG that's it, you are in the TAG for your SAS life, TAG and OAG are specialities within (A)SASR. The Sabre Squadrons rotate duties and training, jungle, desert, urban etc.

These days TAG is split between SAS and 4RAR (Commando). The Commandoes, regulars with seriously beefed up training, are responsible for the east coast. So, basically Johnny has got the grunts protecting him in Kirribili House, not the SAS (hey, respect to 4RAR and their green berets).

Rogue, if you're laughing your arse off at that, then you need to get out more.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
As far as I know, there are 3 Sabre Squadrons and 1 HQ Squadron and, if my memory is correct, 151 Signals Squadron is attached to Campbell Barracks.

Also, as far as I know, once you are in the TAG that's it, you are in the TAG for your SAS life, TAG and OAG are specialities within (A)SASR. The Sabre Squadrons rotate duties and training, jungle, desert, urban etc.

These days TAG is split between SAS and 4RAR (Commando). The Commandoes, regulars with seriously beefed up training, are responsible for the east coast. So, basically Johnny has got the grunts protecting him in Kirribili House, not the SAS (hey, respect to 4RAR and their green berets).

Rogue, if you're laughing your arse off at that, then you need to get out more.

Thanks Howl runner I had heard a little about 4RAR, was wondering about there connection (if any) to SASR thanks for clearing that up .

On Funding have the Australian defence people given the special forces a bit of a raise in funding,Like here in britain ? what with the war on terror and commitments to Iraq and Afghanistan etc.

Also I might be wrong but im sure I either saw on tv or on the net, official SBS photographs,released by the MOD to raise awareness for recruitment purposes ,Any one know any thing about that ?Is it a sign that theese elite units are prepared to lower entry conditions to cope with manpower shortages, Theres a lot more money to be made BG ing some diplomat in Baghdad.

The Brits have the SAS, and apparently so do the Aussies (new info to me), but being the Russian kind of guy I am I would have to say the Spetsnaz.
Actually now that I think about it Rainbow 6 beats everyone.
J.K

Everyone knows (or should do) that the British SAS and British SBS are the best special forces, (apart from the small incident that happened wit the SBS in iraq). Just look at the iranian embassey seige in britain.

I think that since everyone one on here is mostly Brithish or commonwealth and they have a very strong sense of patriotism, the SAS and SBS are going to rank high, but don't get me wrong the are very bad dudes and due to the fact that some of the stuff done by special forces is sometimes classified that we'll argue for days over who has the best Secial forces.

You guys, read my last post on this article, you can't argue over who has the best because they all do different stuff.

as stealth insertion goes the navy seals with the capability of launching a mission from a submarine has to rank high up there

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From what i know the spesnaz is a russian special force
Most of the soldiers have no family or are homeless most rutheless is the speznas i heard of since they got nothing to lose
i also heard that in the marines the seargent tells the soldiers if you spot a spezna drop your weapons and run if any one has more info about this plz post


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The Spetsnaz are pretty bad dudes but so are everyone elses* on account of the different equipment they use, the training is different and so is they're missions, one might be para-military or counter-terrorism. My favorite has still got to be the fictional Rainbow 6 just because it is made up it is made up of guys from all around the world implementing the different training and etc. They probably have something akin to that over at NATO or something but its totally "AboveTopSecret".
*Special Forces.*

Originally posted by TheBandit795
The Israely Moussad is the best... That's what they thought my dad in the Dutch marines...

My father was a U.S. Army infantry man and he said the same thing. He told me how the U.S. Army picked up certain room-to-room clearing tactics from them.

And I would think so, considering all the hell they go through everyday.

I dont an expert on all this jive but I am just wonering about how rated the irish rangers are, so I hear that they are highly regarded in certain circles but no mention of them here, any info????????????


Elpapa

Definately the British SAS are the most elite. Their training and equipment is far superior to any other. One word... unstoppable.

The Canadian JTF are really freaking sneaky... I mean, you want someone to teach you how to go undetected and accomplish hundreds of missions, and remain undetected in a country for years upon years, these are the guys to talk to.

The Russian Speznats have really MEAN tactics. You want to test just how desensitized you are? Try and watch what these guys do for a living. Ruthless, absolutley ruthless.

I think this issue could go on forever personally. I dont personally care who has the best as long as they are effective. Being American I have full confidence in our special forces to accomplish their missions. I also have full faith in our allies special forces to accomplish theirs. It doesnt matter who is best because an argument like this cant be won in my opinion. I would very much love to see a Special Force "olympics," it would be very interesting to watch wouldnt it? I guess that would crown a most elite unit in the world. Until then no one will win this argument.

true. i agree,especially since 90% of the sf teams mentioned are each other's allies either way,there's a high probability one of them will accomplish the mission.

Winning a topic like this is like winning a war on terrorism,it's impossible.

i don't think that you can compare Special forces.
To compare thme we would need a "Special Forces benchmark" or something like that.

Some Special Forces are top secret so it's nearly impossible to compare them.

I gota say the british sas are with out a doubt the best, compared to the us forces the british sas make them look like rookies except for delta, those guys are the pros when it comes to knive combat and close quarters.

i forgot who posted it but they said all other special forces are second rate, spot on, after all the british sas train most of the worlds special forces.

Canada has one of the best trained militaries in the world. Each soldier is trained for 7 years before they are battlefeild ready and each one has the equiv training to that of a green beret. They go into the bush for months training in jungle warfare they also train within cities as well for urban combat. We do what the U.S does with less then half the equipment and troops.

Canada's infantry is like one giant special forces.

Originally posted by The_Doctor
Canada has one of the best trained militaries in the world. Each soldier is trained for 7 years before they are battlefeild

Can't believe that , although training is ongoing obviously , but jesus 7 years of training whats the minimum term for signing on 50 years?
the training can't be that great if they can't go near a battle field for 7 years.

Originally posted by buckaroo

Originally posted by The_Doctor
Canada has one of the best trained militaries in the world. Each soldier is trained for 7 years before they are battlefeild

Can't believe that , although training is ongoing obviously , but jesus 7 years of training

whats the minimum term for signing on 50 years?
the training can't be that great if they can't go near a battle field for 7 years.

SAS does not train most of the world's Spec Ops, they all train together. The U.S. Army Special Forces train the SAS and the SAS train them, it is a two-way street.