Iran to Get Russian S-300 Air Defense

Originally posted by Lambo Rider

Originally posted by Daedalus3
reply to post by Lambo Rider

 

hmm..
In Operation freedom coalition forces launched over 1000 cruise missiles on already operationally non-existent Iraqi targets in a couple of days.
So yes they would need to better that by a lot.

Also on must note that S-300 pedigree missiles are not the only existing counters to cruise missiles, as we saw in the Kosovo War. Legacy missile systems including SA-3, SA-7 etc shot down dozens of cruise missiles (230+ according Yugoslav sources).

So its interesting to actually see hoe much the US & Co will spend in attacking Iran and how much Iran will spend in defending itself.

Yes but by now (2008) the west would know the fequecies those radars, AND missiles work at and they would have propper counters for them, so it would be better if they played it safe and get newer SAMs.

reply to post by Lambo Rider


One must consider the cost of these SAMs and how much money Iran actually spends on their military budget.

Iran still has an Army to keep going, they need supplies, aircraft, tanks, support vehicles. How much can they actually spend on adequately defending themselves as compared to how much an opposing force would spend on adequately attacking them?

Isn't it always easier to attack someone rather than for someone to defend themselves?

And should a Joint Israeli/US(as unlikely to me as it sounds) strike come, I'm pretty positive they'll be hit far harder than any of us are expecting. It's really difficult for any of us to speculate as to what an attack would look like because we don't quite know what the attack plans look like.

Shattered OUT...

Yes but if Iran (or any nation) has an adequate SAMs/Surface to Surface missiles in numbers they would rain so much on both the U.S./Isreal that they would hault if not out right be defeated, you have to know what I'm talking about in context with Isreal/U.S.'s anti-Missile defences

reply to post by Lambo Rider


We need to take into consideration that a joint Israeli/US air attack would not mean an all day turkey shoot for Iranian air defenses, of course counter-measures would be deployed towards the air defenses before launching a full scale air assault, if not the air assault itself can be the very counter-measure to those air defenses.

Would the US send an air fleet of helicopters into an area guarded by SAMs without making some attempt to take out the SAMs before hand?

Absolutely not, a confrontation of this magnitude would put both US and Israeli airpower against a formidable Iranian air defense system and only the actual scenario itself can prove to anyone which is better.

But until it actually happens, all we have is speculation.

Shattered OUT...

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
reply to post by Lambo Rider

 

We need to take into consideration that a joint Israeli/US air attack would not mean an all day turkey shoot for Iranian air defenses, of course counter-measures would be deployed towards the air defenses before launching a full scale air assault, if not the air assault itself can be the very counter-measure to those air defenses.

Would the US send an air fleet of helicopters into an area guarded by SAMs without making some attempt to take out the SAMs before hand?

Absolutely not, a confrontation of this magnitude would put both US and Israeli airpower against a formidable Iranian air defense system and only the actual scenario itself can prove to anyone which is better.

But until it actually happens, all we have is speculation.

Shattered OUT...

And this IS what your not understanding what I'm saying, What I'm saying is if Iran had 250 S-300PMU-2 Batteries, and 250 Iskander Batteries, in undisclosed locations, and U.S./Isreal attacked the SAMs would shoot dowm so many C.M.s and the Iskanders would land on so many U.S./Isreali targets that U.S.A./Isreal would be forced to surrender OR be defeated, and there is nothing to speculate about Iran's airforce if they had lets say 250/300 Su=30MKs then there's something to speculate, but the type of planes they have in numbers, will easily be wipped out IMO.

[edit on 10-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

[edit on 10-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

Alright sir.

I think YOU mis understand that the chances of Iran having you supposed defense scenario is pretty slim.

Shattered OUT...

Have they already got it?

Breaking:

Website: Croatia has sold S300 to Iran

Croatia has recently sold advanced S-300 air defense missile systems to Iran, a newspaper in Zagreb reported this week amid conflicting opinions in Israel over whether Teheran has obtained the advanced anti-aircraft system.

According to the Web magazine Necenzurirano, Libyan Naval ships were also docking in the Croatian port city of Kraljevica to transfer the system to Iran.

Israeli defense officials could not confirm the report but said that Croatia is known to have obtained a number of S-300 systems following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The system was reportedly dismantled several years ago although its exact fate was never publicized.

The S-300, a Russian system, is one of the most advanced multi-target anti-aircraft missile systems in the world today and has a reported ability to track up to 100 targets simultaneously while engaging up to 12 at the same time. It has a range of about 200 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes of 27,000 meters.

Israeli officials have not said whether Iran has obtained S-300 systems but has called on Russia not to sell them to Teheran. A top IAF officer recently said that it was not yet clear whether Iran had the system.

Ronen Bergman's The Secret War with Iran, published Tuesday in the US, repeats the claim made in the Hebrew version of the book, published last year, that the Iranians already have S-300s.

"Iran has purchased an enormous number of anti-aircraft missiles from Russia, some of which, according to Mossad sources, are S-300 missiles, considered among the most advanced in the world. These missiles have been deployed around Bushehr and other strategic targets," Bergman writes.

The author continues: "In August 2006, during the war in Lebanon, Israeli satellite photograph decipherers detected changes at several locations in Iran, suggesting strongly that Iran was stepping up its nuclear project. Moreover, many additional anti-aircraft missile batteries were deployed at nuclear sites, and existing ones were replaced with S-300 missiles... By September 2006, no fewer than 26 anti-aircraft missile batteries had been placed around the centrifuge installation at Natanz...."

(The Jerusalem Post)

Saying "well we already know how S-300 works so we are immune to it" is not logical.

We know how a bullet works too, but American soldiers still die of bullet wounds.

By the time of the Gulf War, we knew pretty well how Iraq's air defense worked, and yet we still took losses to it. By the Bosnian & Kosovo conflicts we were still taking losses to SA-3 and SA-6 systems - despite the fact that both were old standbys already.

It's not like EW is as simple as knowing what frequency a radar works at and thus magically being able to make it go away. EW is a complicated business, otherwise we wouldn't have to spend billions on it.

Russia buys Iran oil uses it or sell it to make money and
sells them weapons.

Like America does sometimes.

Possibly hint as to when the S-300 (at least the ones Russia is selling) will begin to see active deployment in Iran:


Iran's Install of S-300 Missile Defense System

An Israeli think tank claimed that Iran will install an advanced air defense system the country bought from Russia next year. The report said the S-300PMU-2 air defense system will be deployed in 2009 and it will be operational by the middle of the next year.

The report by the Institute for Contemporary Affairs said the S-300 would complement other Russian air defense systems in Iran, particularly the TOR-M1.

...

"The deployment of the anti-aircraft shield next spring, if it occurs, effectively limits the window in which Israel or the United States could conduct an effective aerial campaign aimed at destroying, delaying or crippling the Iranian nuclear program," the report added.

uskowioniran.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Russia buys Iran oil uses it or sell it to make money and
sells them weapons.

Huh. Why would Iran pay Russia with oil? Russia doesn't need any oil imports. Iran might just as well sell the oil itself, which is what it is doing.

Yeah Russia is a massive exporter of oil.

However they aren't going to turn down cash from Iran unless it serves their interests to do so somehow.

It served their interests until things blew up in Georgia, now it doesn't.

Why does America import oil and not use it own oil reserves.
Russia is doing the same thing.
Saving its own oil reserves.
We are going down to the final oil battle.

So maloy, remember me so we can be buds when Russia over alis and
America.

America seems not to care who rules so lets go for it.

ED: I had an in company lecture on EW and power and direction and
distance seemed to be main concerns.. just warming up to the good stuff...
he was weeding out guys like me who flunked the test.

ED+:Cool, I get Rense again:
www.rense.com...
Link previously posted, so I took it and got it.
Rense must have used 'Blockers Begone'.

[edit on 9/10/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 9/10/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by Lambo Rider
Your wrong Russia ahs 440 S-300 PMU-2 Batteries (1760 missiles) 8 WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH.

warfare.ru...

To be fair that's the number of S-300 TEL's Russia is commonly claimed ( which is probably what they admit to having officially) to have with a battery normally having 4 TEL's in Russian service with , depending on model missile types, deploying 16 ( i would say norm for area defense) to 64 missiles ready to fire.

As it stands a 'standard' export S-300PMU2 battery will set you back $200 Million unless the Russians really likes you.

Either way you are quite right in saying that a few batteries of Sa-10's wont save Iran.

Stellar

Edit for sources for some sources.

www.sinodefence.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 10-9-2008 by StellarX]