Iran to Get Russian S-300 Air Defense

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Russia is preparing to equip Iran with a powerful new air defense system that would dramatically increase its ability to repel an attack, Iran's defense minister said Wednesday.

The S-300 anti-aircraft missile defense system is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missile warheads at ranges of over 90 miles and at altitudes of about 90,000 feet. Russian military officials boast that its capabilities outstrip the U.S. Patriot missile system.

Najjar didn't say when or how many of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile defense systems would be shipped to Iran, and Russian officials declined to comment.

Russian officials have consistently denied they were selling the S-300 to Iran. Iranian media reports have claimed the S-300 missile systems could inflict significant damage to the U.S. or Israeli forces, were they to attack Iran.


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JERUSALEM - Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni will travel to Moscow next month for talks on Russia’s recent decision to supply Iran with nuclear fuel and an advanced air defence system, an official said yesterday.

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Why would Israel have to discuss with Russia on the sales of advanced missile air defence systems? A defence system does not threat anyone. The only motive I can think of is that Israel (and the US?) are planning a massive airstrike on Iran with the goal of mass destruction while taking few casualties. Russia's meddling cannot be used and will create new sources of friction between the US and Russia. US officials have already harshly critized Russia for the delivery of 29 TOR M1 Missile Defence systems. -- Could anyone elaborate the motive why they could possibly be against the delivery of defence systems, other than the motive I've stated?

"Russia will provide Iran with the S-300 missile system under a deal signed between the two countries," said Najjar, according to state media. "The exact date of the delivery will be announced later."

This is interesting. Russia refuses to mention the date. Could this mean that an air attack might be on the table in the very near future?

Putin on the delivery of the systems:

"Why did we do this? I can explain why," Putin said at an international security policy conference. "We did this so that Iran did not feel it had been driven into a corner. So that it didn't feel that it was in some kind of hostile environment."

He fails to mention the economic interest and the fact that they dont tolerate any US pressure on Russia.

MOSCOW (AP) — The federal agency overseeing Russia's military exports on Friday denied reports that the country is planning to deliver S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran.

Iran's defense minister said this week that Russia is preparing to equip Iran with the missile systems that would dramatically increase the country's ability to repel an attack.

But the Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service denied the claim in a brief statement.

"The question of deliveries of S-300 systems to Iran, which has now arisen in the mass media, is not currently taking place, is not being considered and is not being discussed at this time with the Iranian side," said the agency, known by its Russian initials, FSVTS

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Why would they deny this, or rather what has Iran to gain by claiming this?

I wonder why they have denied this ?
Its well known
here is a link;

english.pravda.ru...

Maybe because the Russian government is extremely corrupt and full of drunken liars? That would be my first guess. Doesnt really take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

It could be that russia has done this in direct retaliation to the US declaring it will be installing missile systems on its borders.

You put missiles on our doorstep, well put missiles on the doorstep of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Might just be russia rattling its sabre to let the US know they will not roll over like a lap dog.

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may i ask what this has to do with WAR on terror
or from now on can we post all discussions relating to weapons sales in all countries in this forum?

I don't know how true this is, but it seems like the iranians might just clinch the deal to get the s300 system.
www.iranmilitaryforum.com... ntent&task=view&id=186&Itemid=54

If Iraq would have had a strong military defense system, we Americans could have saved 3 trillion dollars on the rape of Iraq. Saddam would still have been selling us oil for $15.00 to $30.00 a barrel and our economy would have been as strong as it was before Saddam was lynched by the US led Zionists hand picked puppets in the new Iraq government. Iran needs all the defense it can buy anywhere unless it wants to be caught with its trousers down as Iraq was.

You can read about these systems here. It seems the variations Iran chose have excellent missile interception abilities (as well as anti-aircraft abilities).

Give Iran any defensive technology they want. It won't matter to anyone unless they're lobbing rockets at them. Something Israel seems to not appreciate when it happens to itself, but apparently loves when it happens to non-Israeli folks.

As far as I am concerned, Iran getting this system makes it less likely that the crazies on our own side will go to war with them, so I have no problem with it.

Countries have a right to defend themselves from attack, even by us

Originally posted by dave420
You can read about these systems here. It seems the variations Iran chose have excellent missile interception abilities (as well as anti-aircraft abilities).

Give Iran any defensive technology they want. It won't matter to anyone unless they're lobbing rockets at them. Something Israel seems to not appreciate when it happens to itself, but apparently loves when it happens to non-Israeli folks.

What Iran has chosen is the S-300PMU-1 which is NOT as good as the PMU-2, and even if Iran had chosen the PMU-2 they'd need at least 250 Batteries ( 4 missiles each for a total of 2000 missiles) in order to truly stop a U.S./Isreali attack, but IMO Iran is not that smart to actually purchase that much, BTW a S-300PMU-2 Battery costs $125 Million.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

[edit on 5-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

Iran, a nation of millions, is not 'smart enough' to spend $31250000000.00 on air-defense alone?

Errr.

Originally posted by Lambo Rider
..and even if Iran had chosen the PMU-2 they'd need at least 250 Batteries (4 missiles each for a total of 2000 missiles) in order to truly stop a U.S./Israeli attack..

Can I ask where you got those numbers from? Are they based on some projected missile strike capability the US etc will employ against Iran?
Do tell.. do tell..

The S-300 won't help Iran defend itself. Iran is dead if they do not stop their nuclear plan.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by IsawOne]

Originally posted by IsawOne
The S-300 won't help Iran defend itself. Iran is dead if they do not stop their nuclear plan.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by IsawOne]

And why is that?
I'm sorry I'm all confused here.

As far as i know Iran has at least 8 systems of the S-300 that they bought from ukraine. And Russia has deliverd at least two S-300 systems in 2005. These S-300 systems where upgraded after the F-117 was shoot down in Jugoslavia in 96.

The Tor M1 is a defence system to protect the S-300 and other sites from bombs ,rockets and cruse missiels.

Iran also have upgraded their S-2s with help from north korea and Syria. The only problem with the S-2 is that it only fires one missiel at a time.

Iran also have a better warningsystem radar then the US and Israel have if you dont bring in the spy satelites. The Ukraine made passive Kolchuga detection systems.

Ukraine Radar/Stealth
Detection Systems
Sold To Iran www.rense.com...

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by spy66
As far as i know Iran has at least 8 systems of the S-300 that they bought from ukraine. And Russia has deliverd at least two S-300 systems in 2005. These S-300 systems where upgraded after the F-117 was shoot down in Jugoslavia in 96.

The Tor M1 is a defence system to protect the S-300 and other sites from bombs ,rockets and cruse missiels.

Iran also have upgraded their S-2s with help from north korea and Syria. The only problem with the S-2 is that it only fires one missiel at a time.

Iran also have a better warningsystem radar then the US and Israel have if you dont bring in the spy satelites. The Ukraine made passive Kolchuga detection systems.

Ukraine Radar/Stealth
Detection Systems
Sold To Iran www.rense.com...

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Your wrong Russia ahs 440 S-300 PMU-2 Batteries (1760 missiles) 8 WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH.

warfare.ru...

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by Lambo Rider
..and even if Iran had chosen the PMU-2 they'd need at least 250 Batteries (4 missiles each for a total of 2000 missiles) in order to truly stop a U.S./Israeli attack..

Can I ask where you got those numbers from? Are they based on some projected missile strike capability the US etc will employ against Iran?
Do tell.. do tell..

Yes during "DesertStorm" the U.S. launched 500 CruiseMissiles against Iraq, and in 03 it was 800, so going against Iran, who's air-defense is better than Iraq's the U.S. will probably launch between 1200/1600 C.M.'s

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hmm..
In Operation freedom coalition forces launched over 1000 cruise missiles on already operationally non-existent Iraqi targets in a couple of days.
So yes they would need to better that by a lot.

Also on must note that S-300 pedigree missiles are not the only existing counters to cruise missiles, as we saw in the Kosovo War. Legacy missile systems including SA-3, SA-7 etc shot down dozens of cruise missiles (230+ according Yugoslav sources).

So its interesting to actually see hoe much the US & Co will spend in attacking Iran and how much Iran will spend in defending itself.

Originally posted by Daedalus3
reply to post by Lambo Rider

 

hmm..
In Operation freedom coalition forces launched over 1000 cruise missiles on already operationally non-existent Iraqi targets in a couple of days.
So yes they would need to better that by a lot.

Also on must note that S-300 pedigree missiles are not the only existing counters to cruise missiles, as we saw in the Kosovo War. Legacy missile systems including SA-3, SA-7 etc shot down dozens of cruise missiles (230+ according Yugoslav sources).

So its interesting to actually see hoe much the US & Co will spend in attacking Iran and how much Iran will spend in defending itself.

Yes but by now (2008) the west would know the fequecies those radars, AND missiles work at and they would have propper counters for them, so it would be better if they played it safe and get newer SAMs, IMHO.