Teachers giving disinfo

I think your teacher may not be part of the problem. She may be part of the solution.

She appears to be teaching eqaulity. Perhaps a good example can be derived from the movie, "The Last Samurai"..

You remember the end, where the 1000 or so Samurai, carrying swords, skill, and courage, are gunned down by a few mini-guns and a scared soliders twisting a lever?

Was that WRONG? Tell me... SOMETHING WAS wrong with that....

Now, suppose a thief - now, you have to consider that you can not stereotype a thief. There are not many people out there who say, "#, I'm gonna make a living breaking into peoples' houses and steal stuff from them because I'm a lazy bastard"

No, I'd say the majority of the time that someone who has to steal is in a precarious situation, and the actual event of theivery becomes the path of least resistance. You only have to imagine a situation that would require YOU to steal.

Well, wouldn't it take some courage to say, "Am I a man or a mouse? Am I going to gun down this thief, or am I going to use my skill and courage, against what he has challenged me with to defeat him? After all, we are both HUMAN BEINGS... Or am I going to just shoot the guy, because, you know, I'm better and have the technology at my disposal.

Am I a MAN? or will I let this technology decide the outcome of this battle?

I think it comes down to whether or not you are bound by the law, and we all know, the law should not bind the mind, as as such, bind human potential.

So do you kill the man carrying a knife, with a gun... because you may do so by LAW? Or do you do the humanistic thing, and take the man on with a knife? Equal vs. Equal in combat?

I guess the question is: Do you let the law bind your mind?

So, is your teacher REALLY trying to say that the law is more important that the human, or is she trying to say something else?

Think about it.

reply to post by seanking177


When someone is breaking in your house you have to wait and see if he has a knife? Then you have to go get one?

Oh brother give me a break- This teacher needs law enforcement training- there's no time when someone breaks in time is of the essence to protect yourself and your family. Someone breaks into your house they should expect to get a tail whipping so to speak.

By benign.psychosis
She appears to be teaching eqaulity. Perhaps a good example can be derived from the movie, "The Last Samurai"..

You remember the end, where the 1000 or so Samurai, carrying swords, skill, and courage, are gunned down by a few mini-guns and a scared soliders twisting a lever?

Was that WRONG? Tell me... SOMETHING WAS wrong with that....

I see your point that was very sad- but that was war. It was still a overkill.

You have seconds to decide when someone is breaking into your house- you and your family would be at risk of being harmed. There's really no time to equal the odds with the intruder. I find it very unlikely that you would have a gatling gun in your house.




[edit on 12/22/2007 by Leyla]

Originally posted by seanking177
reply to post by ahuman

 

what i really wanna do, is get a huge stack of papers that shows all the facts of the laws she thinks she knows. she even told me that "there is no freedom of speech, the first amendment does not apply in schools" i really wanted to slap her after she said that.

Actually, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that public schools do have a right to restrict the speech of students. It has to do with the fact that the purpose of a school is to educate students, and that a certain environment must be provided in order to fulfill that educational mission. If they allowed every student full freedom of speech, then that necessary environment would be disrupted.

That is not my personal opinion, my you... it's fact. So your teacher is actually kind of right on that.

I can't remember the exact case, but if I do remember, I will post it. That is why schools can make kids cut their hair, and not allow them to wear shirts with certain messages on them. Also, there have been numerous instances where student newspapers have attempted to print controversial stories, and have been blocked by principals. Students have hired attorneys and sued to have their stories printed, and they have not been too successful.

Colleges are much more open than lower level schools.

reply to post by benign.psychosis


So if 2 theives break into my house with baseball bats; I should ask them to wait, go get another person, arm ourselves with baseball bats, and then have a Jackass style baseball bat duel in my living room?

If someone breaks into your home you use as much force as you think you need to defend yourself. In my case it will be a .45 M1911A1. If they have a baseball bat, well good! It means i can stand to miss a shot or 2 due to my overwhelming terror at having a deranged lunatic break into my house.

If you truly think that "most" people who break into occupied homes are doing it because they are in a precarious situation, you are deluding yourself.

Also, by your pov, if some guy beats you in a baseball bat duel in your living room, does that mean he has actually proven his right to be breaking into your home? Raping your children, your wife, your dog? Stealing your hard earned possessions? You settled it like men afterall. Right?

And to the OP, if you are in a government school there is nothing you can do. Your teacher is brainwashed and became a public school teacher because she was completely incapable of doing anything else. Her job is to brainwash her students and make them as incapable as she is. Your best bet is to get copies of your local laws and make them into fliers to hand out to your classmates. Hopefully if it IS a public school they will be able to read it. Don't get your hopes up to high though

edited because I too went to public school

[edit on 22-12-2007 by Tinhatman]

reply to post by seanking177


you are wasting your time trying to teach your teachers anything---they have been taught what you have to learn and there is no going back on that--i spent my academic years sleeping thru classes---boring--i was bottom of class but couldnt care less--then i ended up in technical school--i woke up and became top of class--for 4 years in a row to earn my master electricians license.it all depends on where your G-D given talents lay---why schools insist on teaching students to be clones of their teachers when the students couldn't care less is beyond my common sense understanding---we are all different--no one can force us to all be the same--but for the time being they will keep on trying.

Your teacher sounds like she is a NWO conditioned drone who has fallen to the lie perpetrated by those who wish to destroy the bill of rights and constitution of the United States. It also sounds to me like she would flunk you if you contradict her malfeasance by facilitating her with supporting law which clarifies you can kill some one in self defense if you believe you are in imminent danger of death.

But than, if she's totally hot, it's cool. You only have to play along with her till semesters end for an A. You write to be smart enough to see through the BS.

reply to post by seanking177


What she is saying is half right but it is wrong at the same time. If someone is coming at you with a knife that is a life threatening attack, in that case you would be able to offer the same force, what that means is you shoot till the life threatening activity stops.

If someone is thretening your life all bets are off, the deal is when you smash their head in with a pipe or shoot them or whatever it is you have done, and that person is no longer offering you any life threatening activity, you need to stop. At that point if you continue the attack you are beyond legal reasoning and are making it pretty tough on your lawyer.

Here this is a statute for justification in the state of MO, most states Justification clauses are about the same but check your local listing.

RSMo 563.031 (or) if you would like to become more familiar with deadly force look up "The Castle Doctrine" it also talks about the defense of ones property.

Often times there is a fine line, but if someone is trying to inflict deadly force upon you, it does not matter what instrument that they are trying to inflict it on you with, It is deadly force and you have a right to offer it back to them in equal force. Not equal instrumentation

Your teacher doesn't happen to be Australian, does she? Because I'm pretty sure that is the law over here. I may just be confused though, because it is definately the law out in the street. Where, if some guy pushes you, you are only allowed to push them back, if he punches you, you are justified in punching him. (Though with this new "One Punch Can Kill" campaign we have just starting here, hopefully these fights will stop)

Another interesting fact: You are allowed to hit someone if they insult you so grievously and you respond within 3 seconds of the insult. However, you are not allowed to destroy any of their property out of anger (like kick their car or smash a window or anything) or if you wait longer than 3 seconds to respond, and it will be a judge or jury who decides if the insult was so terrible to justify a knock to the head, so you may not even get away with that.

[edit on 22-12-2007 by Toy_soldier]

Yeah hey I checked out the Castle Doctrine in wikipedia it is just what you are looking for. Another awesome tool are a set of books (depending on what subject this is) called Lies my teacher told me....I had fun with these books in school.. and if you cut off in class and it is not a paper, I would just print out the Castle Doctrine, highlight it-as it serves you and put it on her desk.

(Disclaimer) Be aware of the ramifications, unless you are in college. then I would bring up whatever I wanted.

Dont say "you were wrong" and dont say "by the way" one will put the teacher in automatic defense mode the second will make the teacher fill like you are ambushing

Tell the teacher "hey you know how we talked about ? yesterday I have a question" and then say "while researching our conversation I found ? reference that indicates that (blank)" That way your teacher will not be tring to argue with you but the reference you found. I rec making a copy or two that way when she confiscates your copy you will have an extra for your fellow students to gawk over after class or at lunch

Teachers are taught to fear the gun and pass that fear onto the students.

One time, a teacher posed the question, what if an Armed gun-man broke into the building? One of the kids said "I'd pull out my 9"

Hahaha... now everyone knows that was a stupid thing for the kid to say, but our teacher looked deathly pale afraid and outraged and did all kinds of things to make sure that kid was punished for being a potential terrorist etc.

So yes, even talking about guns, even in self defense, is one of the 'signs' teachers are taught to look for in students.

They don't want you to defend yourself, or think that you have the power to defend yourself, and if you give them that impression, they label you a threat, put you under medication etc.

Maybe you don't like your teacher, maybe she doesn't deserve respect, but hold your tongue anyway. Next year, new teacher!

Maybe this teacher also does not understand that often a brandishing of a superior weapon often will scare away a would be thieve. Also don't forget that if a group of criminals knows "this neighborhood" might be armed, "stay away", but this town banned ownership of handguns, like DC then they will just show total disregard and be rather reckless. Often in places where guns are banned the criminals will have the upper hand, so live somewhere the authorities trust gun ownership and leave defense up to individuals that are responsible. She sounds very naive for someone to teach students on such matters.

The teacher, in this case, is simply applying common sense. One uses force appropriate to the circumstances.

If three 25 year old guys carrying knives or guns break into your daughter's bedroom intent on raping her, then use of a firearm may well be appropriate. If you find an unarmed 6 year old kid looking to steal some candy then other causes of action are more appropriate and in such circumstance, shooting them should indeed be construed as murder.

Doesn't matter what the law says - do you only ever do what someone else tells you? Or do you think for yourself?

Originally posted by Tinhatman
reply to post by benign.psychosis

 

So if 2 theives break into my house with baseball bats; I should ask them to wait, go get another person, arm ourselves with baseball bats, and then have a Jackass style baseball bat duel in my living room?

No, I'd say that you have not put the proper defence mechanisms on your home - fortified doors, barred windows, alarm system, guard dog.. etc.. It would only be your own fault, after all, your home is your responsibility. You can leave your windows open and your door unlocked while you sleep with a sidearm under your pillow, but what does that really say? It says that the only thing protecting your house is your ego. I'd also suggest that if two people can break into your house with only *baseball bats*, that there is something wrong with your house.

If someone breaks into your home you use as much force as you think you need to defend yourself. In my case it will be a .45 M1911A1. If they have a baseball bat, well good! It means i can stand to miss a shot or 2 due to my overwhelming terror at having a deranged lunatic break into my house.

I see. Terror - intense or overwhelming fear. So are you a coward by admitance and definition?: somebody lacking courage: somebody regarded as fearful and uncourageous. Courage: the ability to face danger, difficulty, uncertainty, or pain without being overcome by fear.

Is this correct? I'm not calling you out, but merely aligning you with current definitions. I apologize if it offends you. Also, I can see that you live in a world where someone who breaks into your house must be a "deranged lunatic."

If you truly think that "most" people who break into occupied homes are doing it because they are in a precarious situation, you are deluding yourself.

Life isn't a D&D game. You don't choose to start out as a thief - or even switch classes because it will be more fun. You are deluding yourself if you think people break into occupied homes do so because it is fun or easy. It must be the case, as you have admitted, in your own world though. Most people are thieves because it is so fun, and facing the threat of prison, or a deranged murderous homeowner, such as yourself, is just too compelling, right? I think you have been watching too many hollywood renditions of thievery, my friend.

Also, by your pov, if some guy beats you in a baseball bat duel in your living room, does that mean he has actually proven his right to be breaking into your home? Raping your children, your wife, your dog? Stealing your hard earned possessions? You settled it like men afterall. Right?

See my first response. Now listen here, you are attempting to further your point by concentrating on a very specific occurance that suits your agenda, while ignoring other possibilities and outcomes to an event - not very realisitic. For example - let me ask you this: If some guy breaks into your house and murders you while you sleep, does that mean he has actually proven his right to be breaking into your home? Raping your children, your wife, your dog? Stealing your hard earned possessions?

No, it just winds up that he probably is going to steal your stuff now. It also proves that you think women are somehow inferior to men, because once the big bad man is out of the picture, the wife is getting raped, right?

So, to highlight the points you used to push your argument:

1) Your house can be broken into by two men with baseball bats.
2) You harbor overwhelming terror towards theives.
3) All thieves are deranged lunatics, which is a lifestyle choice.
4) All thieves are murdersome rapists who rape women, children, and dogs.

All hypotheticals aside.

OP, don't talk about guns in colorado schools...do want them to write a psyche profile on you and stuff you full of meds?

Secondly, sounds to me like you have a crush on the teacher.
Seriously, if you don't agree with the teacher don't talk to her, let it slide.

It is not your job in school to teach the teacher anything, you are there to learn, so pick up a book and read.

Thats what my damned tax dollars are paying for.

Free homeschooling is a valid option in Colorado, you are old enough to do all of it yourself, won't ever need to see any teacher ever again.

Make a good choices, and don't be such an arrogant brat.
The "Make My Day Law" is meaningless, until the moment you have a criminal in your house and I can guarantee that even if the law was "You'll go to jail for saying boo to a burgaler", you, me, or anyone with half a chance would tear that criminal a few new holes, as many as were in the clip, and as many more as we could reload before the police arrived.
And then claim temporary insanity.

Don't worry about it and don't waste your youth arguing with ignorant teachers.

Get a girlfriend or something.





[edit on 23-12-2007 by Legalizer]

reply to post by seanking177


LMFAO that seriously is one dumb bitch. LOL>

"You would have to go and get a knife" rofl.

is she for real. so it goes like this.

some [ROBBER] breaks into your house, with a fat machete, you in your bedroom go down to check what the noise is, with your 9mm, and clock that he has a knife, which is nothing compared to your piddly glock. so in shock you yell. wait wait, il go get my kitchen knife to stab you with, just wait there, whilst you dash into the aforementioned kitchen whilst the robber hacks into your head/back/arm and yea.. she is a real clever one that girl.

tell her that for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction, but if two forces are equal in quantity yet opposing, then there is no net force, so technically if you used "the same force" as the other guy. you would be motionless forever. and their would be no out come. also tell her, that you changed your mind, and now you agree with her, and hence now in the future you will keep a larger selection of weapons by your bed, and a camera, so in future you can check out what the robber is packing, select EXACTLY the same size/calibre/rustiness of his, and then go end his life. cos that makes a lot more sense than just keeping a hand gun. doesnt it?

[edit on 23-12-2007 by korai]

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reply to post by TheHypnoToad


really? i guess you never saw the "Tinker vs. Des Moines" case.
www.law.umkc.edu...

"Students do not, the Court tells us in Tinker vs. Des Moines, "shed their constitutional rights when they enter the schoolhouse door." "
i my self have looked into this, the only places they can control Freedom Of Speech is on a School Sponsored Event, such as a Filed Trip or a Base Ball game.

reply to post by yahn goodey


yeah, thats true. also very stupid for trying to make everyone the same, what i have been waiting for in the school is for a teacher ask a kid if they can search him, i would step in then and make sure they have a warent(spelling help?) first, and have it caught on a video camra then upload it .

why are you so hell bent on makeing your teacher look like a jackass? you say you are in 9th grade but you are acting like a 5 year old. in a few years you will learn that their are just some people you cant argue with. dont worry a decade ago when i was your age, i was blind to most of lifes truths. i wouldnt say from what ive read she is a nwo disinfo agent. maybe more of a misinformed liberal. acting like a idiot and always trying to argue with the teacher is only gonna further hurt your cause. after all they are the athourity in the class room and the first ones to be believed in any situation..

reply to post by WorldShadow


yeah she does, first time she said that "There is no Freedom Of Speech" i was gonna tell her, but if i did she would have asked alot of questions i would not have been ready for.
no...she is UGLY x.x