Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S.

Rock on Lakotas! Now, can I, as a white skinned, red-haired Irishman with Seneca ancestors be welcomed as a brother? I haven't been welcomed so far at any Pow-Wow. Yet, I have been offered, since I am a veteran of the U.S. military, a chance to dance in the Veterans dance.

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there are 4 'updates' on line presently.

go to afterarmageddon7.blogspot.com...

The Natives came over to N America via the land bridge after the glaciers retreated a few thousand years ago
The Europeans started to come over here via boats about a thousand years ago I think- Vikings etc
So what is the difference- we all came off Noah's boat and have been living in a desperately wicked fallen world ever since
...only the return of Christ will fix the planet

shalom
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personal opinion

Common now a land bridge? alright bud thats how people came to north

America through a land or ice bridge.

Europeans came in boats? man thats news to me!! I never could have guessed.

So the first European in North America was Noah? because everybody got off

Noah's boat?

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Thank God some people are standing up to our tyrannical government.

I just hope the Marines aren't sent in to deal with 'domestic terrorists.'

The small amount of native blood in me (this may be where I get my anger towards the US from ) is screaming out at the problems of this world, but it seems no one is listening.

Permaculture; the way of the future and a sustainable option for peoples not wanting to buy into societies bull#

www.permaculture.org...

Originally posted by Miishgoos
personal opinion

Common now a land bridge? alright bud thats how people came to north

America through a land or ice bridge.

Europeans came in boats? man thats news to me!! I never could have guessed.

So the first European in North America was Noah? because everybody got off

Noah's boat?

So, you've never heard about the Bering Strait that created a "land bridge" from Asia to North America? - just takes a little walk through a history book or Google or Britannica...

The rest of your questions are probably 100% Sarcastic... or maybe your whole post is 100% Sarcastic... nonetheless, still volleying for Post Points I see or in your own opinion, still putting people down cause you don't care.

History Lesson 101

[edit on 9-1-2008 by WalkOn]

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I once spent the better part of a year in a camping lifestyle. Although it was a forced situation at the time, I can honestly say that it was very exhilarating to get back to nature without the trappings of modern conveniences. It was truly amazing how my survival instincts kicked in. My living abode wasn't nearly as nice as the teepee. Mine was a nylon pop-up tent. Maybe I'll open a topic thread on it someday. I hadn't thought of that experience in a long time.

I can not believe I am just now seeing this thread!!! Anyway, good for them. This will be interesting to watch.

WELL THE # 1 Answser to that is we have FAMINE IN our OWN FREAKING COUNTRY !!! And yet, we do nothing about it ... Or say .. opes .. you made to much this last year .. NO help for you this year ... But yeah, that gallon of milk ... cost .. 5.50 ..

Has anyone heard any updates on the Lakotas?
Anything newsworthy?

I'm just curious as to why so many Americans want the Lakota to succeed and take a huge chunk of land and resources away from the control of the US government.

For those in favor of the Lakota settng up their Soverign nation, How does this strengthen the nation?

If your not concerned with maintaining the strength and integrity of the continental US, why?

Many native Americans live in poverty now. If the Lakota are successful, will we we have a third world country in our midst?

I understand that many despise the US government, some have an outright hatred for it, for many different reasons, some valid, some not so valid, but still, I ask again, how will this help the nation as a whole?



[edit on 11-1-2008 by Sparky63]

Kick this to the debunked side of the aisle.

The Lakotah have not withdrawn from their treaties. The group professing to have done this is not authorized to do so.

www.indiancountry.com...

www.rapidcityjournal.com...

As much as I was hoping for something like this to be a reality, this group seems to be more interested in destroying good-hearted people by feeding them fals hope and false information.

Be warned folks...nothing but a let down at the end of this path.

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well, for starters... alcohol is strictly forbidden. there is a $.50 donation per every game. also, no roulette, no poker, no slots.

i'm not trying to be funny. its sad, but thats the image the "G" wanted the people to have of the once great and dignified indigenous occupants of this land. they'd rather discredit and falsely label them as savages who [thanks to the US stepping in and curbing their appetite for all things alcoholic, whilst 'allowing' them revenue via gaming establishments] are now reformed. and you can go visit them at their little zoo for indigenous people. but instead of witnessing a beautiful native indian ceremonial dance, you can witness a vegas rejected lounge act, and instead of the infectious rhythm of tomtom drums, you can get your 'native' audio fix listening to the sound of a cheesy elvis impersonator. sad but true.

in response to the original topic: regrettably, the 'G' will not let this happen. and will take every action above and beyond what would actually be needed to suppress them once again into complacency. if all else fails, a suspicious beam from somewhere in alaska will surgically extract anything in that area from ever having a problem with the 'G' or their agendas, ever again. other than that, i wish all the best of luck to them in reaching their goal. but my wishes have yet to ever come true. but then again, maybe if we all wish really, really hard this time.

the only thing that is maybe a possibility, would be that they might produce a ripple throughout the "masses", resulting in a even just a few more citizens to lead us in a nationwide governmental audit, courtesy of the good people of thee ol' u s of a.



*all corniness not-intended, but kinda worked out anyway. consider it a "little happy-accident".

Originally posted by Bluess
This question could actually apply to many nations, not only the U.S, but I am also interested in the answer...

Actually through out all of history America has shown the most restraint of any sole super power ever!Compared to the likes of Rome of Persia of Carthage of Nubia of Greece of the British Empire,America is a tame pussy cat which respects life!

Originally posted by Fada126

Originally posted by Bluess
This question could actually apply to many nations, not only the U.S, but I am also interested in the answer...

Actually through out all of history America has shown the most restraint of any sole super power ever!Compared to the likes of Rome of Persia of Carthage of Nubia of Greece of the British Empire,America is a tame pussy cat which respects life!

Oh yes I forgot...all the native americans died of the flu or alcohol right? (sarcasm).

So according to your way of thinking, you can defend the killing of say... 1 million people, because other ancient super power nations, where responsible for killing way more people say.. 10 million people?

What kind of thinking is that? respect for life you said?

If you persive the "working ways" of the US government today as respectfull for life, you have alot... no no... you have a hell of alot to learn!

If you try in any way, to defend the killings that took place of the native Americans, you are in my opinion, in complete lack of sympathy and understanding.

Now.. are there any news out there as to how this story is going?

The Lakotas have a right to govern themselves as they feel fit. Alot of Native American people already carry U.N cards. We must also consider other Native American tribes such as the Potowamani, Mohecian, Plano and many others in Wisconsin. Will this be a domino affect? Unfortunately, I would not see the U.S. government handling this situation well, and possibly put the reservation lands under full government control!

What about the Menonites, and the Amish, of which alot of them do not consider themselves U.S. citizens. This could very easily spiral into something big, escpecially if the U.S. government gets heavy handed as history has proven.

Another twist is, why should Native Americans, Menonites, and Amish who do not pay any kind of tax to the U.S. government, use roads, public libraries, and public lands, and take up charity beds in our hospitals because they do not have any or do not believe in health insurance, that U.S. taxpayers have to paid for, and they have not paid anything!

There are always many angles to every situation.

[edit on 4-2-2008 by paladin1852]

Originally posted by Sparky63
I'm just curious as to why so many Americans want the Lakota to succeed and take a huge chunk of land and resources away from the control of the US government.

For those in favor of the Lakota settng up their Soverign nation, How does this strengthen the nation?

If your not concerned with maintaining the strength and integrity of the continental US, why?

Many native Americans live in poverty now. If the Lakota are successful, will we we have a third world country in our midst?

I understand that many despise the US government, some have an outright hatred for it, for many different reasons, some valid, some not so valid, but still, I ask again, how will this help the nation as a whole?



[edit on 11-1-2008 by Sparky63]

Because, if a situation like this was to succeed, it might make my government officials re-think the path they are on, and realize that they are hurting there country instead of helping it. The U.S. government is too focused on external situations (the middle east) and their citizens are paying for it!

Originally posted by paladin1852
What about the Menonites, and the Amish, of which alot of them do not consider themselves U.S. citizens. This could very easily spiral into something big, escpecially if the U.S. government gets heavy handed as history has proven.

Another twist is, why should Native Americans, Menonites, and Amish who do not pay any kind of tax to the U.S. government, use roads, public libraries, and public lands, and take up charity beds in our hospitals because they do not have any or do not believe in health insurance, that U.S. taxpayers have to paid for, and they have not paid anything!

There are always many angles to every situation.

[edit on 4-2-2008 by paladin1852]

Paladin, where did you get these ideas? My husband grew up in the heart of Amish country and knows their practices quite well. They are U.S. citizens, they consider themselves as such, and they do pay taxes.

en.wikipedia.org...

"In 1961, the United States Internal Revenue Service announced that since the Amish refuse United States Social Security benefits and have a religious objection to insurance, they need not pay these taxes. In 1965, this policy was codified into law.[21] Self-employed individuals in certain sects do not pay into, nor receive benefits from, United States Social Security, nor do their similarly-exempt employees. Amish employees of non-exempt employers are taxed, but they do not apply for benefits. A provision of this law mandates that the sect provide for their elderly and disabled; one visible sign of the care Amish provide for the elderly are the smaller Grossdaadi Heiser or Daadiheiser ("grandfather house"), often built near the main dwelling. The Amish are not the only ones exempt from Social Security in the United States. Ministers, certain church employees, and Christian Science practitioners may qualify for exemption under a similar clause."

Now for the Native Americans, who DO pay taxes as well:

www.poynter.org...

"As individuals, we all pay federal income taxes. That includes Native people who live on reservations. That is a federal mandate without boundaries. When the April 15 federal tax deadline approaches, all Native people will be at the post office...Natives –- both tribes and individuals -– pay state and local property taxes within reservation boundaries if the land is not held in trust by the federal government. That leaves tribal governments with a weak to non-existent tax revenue base. The base is weak because 56 million acres -- 45 million acres for tribes and 11 million acres for individuals -- of Native-owned land is non-taxable because it's held in trust by the federal government through the Interior Department...
Tribes try to make up lost tax revenues by creating businesses, such as casinos. Those enterprises are no different than state-owned lotteries, which don't pay federal income taxes either."

I would also add that tribes with casinos donate ALOT of that money to their local non-Native communities. They donate money to libraries, schools and other community projects - something which the state lotteries don't do, in fact, they don't even pay anything to schools, which is exactly where the lottery money is supposed to go.
All of these groups, Native Americans, Mennonites and the Amish - all have extremely strong ethics of tribal values, which means they take of their own, all of them and it is very important to them to carry their weight.

Originally posted by paladin1852

Originally posted by Sparky63
I'm just curious as to why so many Americans want the Lakota to succeed and take a huge chunk of land and resources away from the control of the US government.

For those in favor of the Lakota settng up their Soverign nation, How does this strengthen the nation?

If your not concerned with maintaining the strength and integrity of the continental US, why?

Many native Americans live in poverty now. If the Lakota are successful, will we we have a third world country in our midst?

I understand that many despise the US government, some have an outright hatred for it, for many different reasons, some valid, some not so valid, but still, I ask again, how will this help the nation as a whole?

Because, if a situation like this was to succeed, it might make my government officials re-think the path they are on, and realize that they are hurting there country instead of helping it. The U.S. government is too focused on external situations (the middle east) and their citizens are paying for it!

Paladin, there is quite a bit of superficiality in that statement of yours, imho. I for one would love for the govt to concentrate for real on domestic issues, but Lakota do not correlate with the middle east, in my mind.

Sparky has asked an excellent question (or a few, actually). It's strange to me that there are many members here who cherish the idea of the US breaking apart or otherwise suffering damage of some sort. If you don't like the govt, make sure you cast your vote the way you see fit the next time.

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My personal Opinion

Well the "ice Bridge" existed about 10,000 years ago correct?

Well haven't there been excavations which date Native Americans arriving in North America (Liberally 35,000 years ago) (Conservative estimate 20,000 years ago)? which would have been before the ice bridge existed.

Volleying for post points? (Not sarcastic) what are post points? and what would you do with them? I really don't know.

But yes I don't care alot of the time I just enjoy arguing or "debating" as some people call it.

and that be my personal opinion yarrr