I have a few words about Mr. Paul

Maybe it's offtopic but 6MILLIONS? IN ONE DAY? is this a joke? all this money for a politician who don't care about you what ever you can think, just for the fun i'd like Mr paul win the election and then make big huge mega bulls*** and then see the face of people who donated especially the 25.000$ one!!!!!

Seriously don't you think it's better to give this money to people who REALLY need it?

i'm sure that most part of the donators are not even able to give 50 cent to the homeless people for eat but to a political crap they give all they have in the hope that some change happens or for a better so-called life, sure change will happen but you can't expect in which way it will!!!

This is applicable for the aid, cancer or whatever disease research or for the missing child or, even if really i don't care about them, to the veterans of war, as the homeless they all need this money not those rich egocentric who just buy you with their beautyfull sentence, they just want the power, and for that they need you and your money, that's why they will do everythings it's possible, even convince you to make donation!

Now please think about it before give your money to one of them, especialy that they will not give it back to you, worst they will take you more than you gave after the elections.

This is not only against Ron but all the politics and in the hope that the donator will think twice before to give.



[edit on 18-12-2007 by ufopunx]

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Oh, I agree that there is a conspiracy, in the truest sense of the word. The powerful must be in agreement that RP would upset things too much if he were elected.

But the further you get from the top, the less reason there is, except a paycheck, to follow this lockstep. In WWII Italian soldiers surrendered by companies, not because they were afraid to fight, but because they had no faith in their government. The same principle applies here.

Rupert Murdock doesn't talk to every anchor, and take them into his circle of friends. He may pressure them, heavily, but he can only carry that so far without attracting unwanted attention. It's the few independents, mostly in print, that are keeping the system halfway honest, because they might hear of blatant pressure and find the story.

Like the cockroaches they are, these wealthy elitist fear exposure more than anything. They have money and power, but they are too greedy to be more than a double handful, compared to the angry mob they would face if the idea, with proof, got out. Not to mention, I doubt any of them trusts any of the others, so there's always the fear that one of their own might turn on them all to save himself.

Wow, I'm guessing you know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul for you to slander him like that. He is one of the few genuine people that do care about you and me.

All this crap about giving money to the poor and cancer research is great and all but you have to understand that if this country continues status quo there will absolutely nothing to give to these good things. You can look at that 6 million dollar donation to Paul as a donation to the future of humanity.

[edit on 18-12-2007 by Golack]

What is amazing about Ron Paul
and the Ron Paul Phenomenon
is the paradoxical nature of libertarianism...

Clinically, libertairianism is far right... like on an imaginary horizontal
line representing political thought spectrum, with the center dot being
a pure moderate. libertairianism is pretty much as far right as it gets.

But that is where it gets interesting-
because the paradox comes into play here,
as its' duality is revealed-
it is so far right as an ideology that is simultaneously
a far left liberal philosophy as well...
even though Democrats as thought to always want big government,
the reality is that true liberalism is about freedom
balanced with specific socially-oriented government intervention...
and true conservatism focuses on freedom as well,
but without a belief in a civic safety net for society.

In any case, Ron Paul and the ideology of LIBERTAIRIANISM
is- ironically and amazingly- appearing to be a GREAT UNIFIER
of diametrically opposed political bases...

Some Republicans support him, as he is, um, a Republican...

But also many Democrats- like me- also support him-
because his brand of right-wing thinking is very congruent
with a certain degree of left wing liberalism.

As they always have said-

POLITICS makes strange bedfellows.

The unification of a large fragment of Republicans and Democrats
COULD ACTUALLY WIN this man the election.

If- with the help of God/THe Higher Power- there is a clean election.

T. Patrick

Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
So again I point to the national polls. If he's raising all this money why is Mike Huckabee number one? Not every single poll out there is from Fox. Duh. And you call it devout I call it spam.

I can give you a perfect example SouthernBelle. Last week I was polled. The pollster stated this is a one question Rep. poll. If you voted in a primary today, who would you vote for #1#2#3#4#5 Huckabee #6 other #7 we will not contact you again. OK, well no Ron Paul, so I guess I have to go with #6. Pressed #6, The recording stated, thank you, we will not contact you again. WHAT! #6 is on the R-side of the phone #7 is one row down on the left. I pressed #6. This, oh so fair poll, didn't even give me a shot at OTHER
let alone Dr. Paul. I think I will pay to have a poll done. If you voted for President today who would you vote for, Rep # 1 Dr. Ron Paul or Dem # 2 Al Sharpton. Astonishing, Dr. Paul was the first choice from both Rep & Dem. Hope that helps.

Originally posted by ufopunx
Maybe it's offtopic but 6MILLIONS? IN ONE DAY?
...
Seriously don't you think it's better to give this money to people who REALLY need it?
...
i'm sure that most part of the donators are not even able to give 50 cent to the homeless people for eat but to a political crap they give all they have in the hope that some change happens or for a better so-called life, sure change will happen but you can't expect in which way it will!!!
[edit on 18-12-2007 by ufopunx]

Just wow. So those of us who have hope for the future are not only wasting their money and energy, but we're also depriving the needy? Weak.

Thanks for PROVING my point, that Ron Paul HAS NEVER violated the constitution UNLIKE EVERY OTHER candidate in the race.

You have FAILED to refute my claim and your reasons have been picked apart... the PROOF of that is you NEVER specifically addressed the point I made about voting NO to an AFTER THE FACT amendment to the constitution can NEVER violate the constitution. Period end of story. You have been PROVEN WRONG.

reply to post by AmethystSD


I am one of the poor, and I would rather see a donation of a couple hundred to Ron Paul than to me. I couldn't do much to make my nation a better place with that amount, but if it helps elect RP, I'll benefit more in the long run, because maybe my Social Security, which I paid for, won't run out before I die.

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It seems that she's not making the distinction on Paul views with regards to civil rights and not voting in support on the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I get the picture that she is somehhow equating this non-vote as a carte blanche referendum that Paul will somehow destroy civil liberties in this country.

I don't know how high something like this would be on his agenda anyway.

Here is what he said on the house floor in regards to the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and his no vote to not support this.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

July 3, 2004

And Paul could certainly NOT abolish active legislation.



[edit on 18-12-2007 by Freenrgy2]

Did anyone watch the Glenn Beck interview with Ron Paul? The first time I watched it, my cable box glitched out and I missed everything after they went to commercial break following the 911 talk. I watched the repeat an hour later and they cut off the same portion. Am I just unlucky or is there a conspiracy against me watching the end of that interview? Did they broadcast anything after the 911 talk? They said they were coming back for "3 minutes" of undirected air time for him.

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I found it on cnn.com, I'm good.

[edit on 18-12-2007 by captainplanet]

I wanted to hear more of what he has too say so I actually watch fox and friends this morning and they really screwed this guy over they didn't give him enough time and they expected him to give one word answers. But they give the other candidates plenty of time and they call themselves fair and balanced. Later in the morning he was on CNN and they didn't give him much time either but they conducted themselves more professionally. And then I watched him on Glenn Beck and he gave him a full hour, finally someone who showed a little more respect. And I finally got to hear more about his issues.

Originally posted by SouthernBelle82
First of all don't claim to know me or anyone else but your damn self. Get over your holier than thou pathetic crap. It doesn't work here at all. You know nothing about me except what I talk about on the threads I participate in. Everything else keep your damn assumptions to yourself. Got it? Now those are a few examples I used. They're not everything. And newsflash honey: once you pay taxes that money is no longer yours. You no longer have a say what to do with it at all. The only say you get is by voting. End of story. Just like when you give a candidate or a charity organization money they're free to do with it what they will. It's now THEIR'S. Same thing with the government so stop acting like you still have some say over what happens with the money. Congress has that authority not you. Maybe you should try reading that Constitution in it's entrity you like to proclaim to know so well. Seems like you don't know it quite so well as you think. God are you #ing ignorant on socialism. Why don't you shut your mouth and do some reading on what socialism is? Stop being such a holier than thou prick and READ! You all talk an awfully lot about other people being brainwashed but y'all are brainwashed just as much as you like to claim your so-called "enemies" are. You don't know # what you're talking about. So hun when an actual socialist tells you that you don't know # doesn't that make you think a little bit? "Gee maybe I'm wrong and I should do some research!" Or if you're too lazy to do your own research how about you actually ask the socialist! Now there's a freakin brilliant idea! Why don't you use it? I won't mind at all. LOL! You're #ing pathetic. You've been brainwashed and you don't even damn well know it. LOL! Get a damn book.

I'll claim and assume whatever I want. And the last thing I will ever worry about is the feelings of a leech like you. And I know exactly what socialism is. And you, so far, are the best representation of it. Some helpless miscreant crawling on a thread about a libertarian and trying to spout your socialist rhetoric and push your socialist candidates. Why would you do that? Because you want equal time. Just like Stalin did.

Nice analogies by the way. One problem, Taxes are not donated, they are taken by force, charitable donations are a choice.

What an intelligent mind you have, only able to have a discussion by saying "don't insult me!" , "go read a book!" , "you don't know what you are talking about!"

[SNIP] And in a few weeks you'll find out how wrong you are.

[edit on 18-12-2007 by aravoth]

[edit on 19-12-2007 by sanctum]

Heres a fun concept for you to mull over....

America has increased its survielance of its own citizen to the point where we here are calling it a fascist police state. Do you know why a fascist police state is necessary to these powerfull organizations?

Because they know their actions will make the real patriots very angry. We go through school learning the history of america. The founding fathers. The revolutionary war. This is who we are. This is America. We are Americans. With a history and a proud tradition of rebellion against tyranny.

The more they evolve into tyrants, the more fervently we seek to dismantle them. In effect they will create domestic terrorists through their currupt and dispicable actions.

This is why homeland security is a top priority. Not because they fear threats from abroad. They fear the threats from within. They fear the patriots that still believe in America and the home of the free and the land of the brave.

Im free and im brave and if they oppress me I'll fight them to the death.
Dont tread on me you fascists. [SNIP]



[edit on 19-12-2007 by sanctum]

ALL of the media are corporate (and therefor govt.) bought and paid for....The news media are gutless spineless little ninnies!! Ron Paul may have a few crazies backing him..but so does Mitt...(Im sure there are plenty of mormans who DO practice poligamy) backing him. Guilani is just a dirty mobster who is a cheat and a liar. ....etc. etc...Just because certain people (the major minority) are crazy does not mean Ron Paul supports that same crazy thing. He is honest..no dirty secrests..Christian, and he understands and backs what this country was founded on. Why has Katey Curic NOT interviewed R.P..but has Fred T..who is behind R.P. in the polls????
And on 20/20 they got so many letters asking for an interview with R.O. that John Stossel did one but then said you had to go to the website to watch it. I KNOW there was no one telling R.P. supporters to write 20/20. THAT tells me there are many more R.P. supporters or people wanting toknow more about him then the media are letting be known.

For those that missed the one hour interview with Glenn Beck here is the full thing

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Avorath...
I know what a socialist is..the actual spelling is HILLARY....you know...take from the middle class till there is NO middle class and we are all poor (except for the socialist elite) You know..the "It takes a village to raise a child" mentality..NO THANKS..because what that actually means is the village idiots raise our kids and bring them up to have no critical individual thinking skills. Our schools are an awesome sneak peek at socialism..dumb those kids down like sheep being led to the slaughter. Go with the majority because the individual is not as important as the whole..like global governance..global trade blah blah blah!!!! If you like socialism so much then move to China..socialism, communism..the same game with a diff. name. And I think you show your youth and inexperience in the world by your tirade against another poster here..Try to post calm clear posts and maybe try to recomend a book to your fellow posters. Just saying "Read a book" ..well that is pretty unclear...

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
The biggest most blatant conspiracy in the last 20 years, Ron Paul's popularity. This is not a theory, this is fact and one of a few subjects on ATS with absolute proof and all you have to do is turn on your TV or read a main stream newspaper.
Ron Paul has been completely shut out, ignored and when he is mentioned on CNN, Fox, MSNBC it is with humorous disdain. We have all watched the video snips where the RP voters were snubbed, we have all seen the videos where high paid "reporters" coughed it all up to webbots or technical malfunctions. The lies and cover up are so blatant that I 100% believe that our media is 100% controlled, I need no more proof.
Now, I don't even think we have (or they have) a clue as to how big the Ron Paul "Revolution" is or how massive it will become. I think they are scared which can be the only reason I can see for the absolute shut out of Mr. Paul.
Ron Paul is much, much bigger than this 2% number that keeps getting thrown around by naysayers if you need proof just look at his donations. The 4.2 million that was raised on Nov. 5th was donated by everyday citizens like you and me, not big massive corporations, it was $25 here, $50 there. Can you imagine the number of individual donations it took to reach 4.2 miilion? That's a whole lot of people folks!!! Last night he did it again...www.ronpaul2008.com... once again we are not talking massive $$$ from corporations, these donations are coming from middle America.

This day keeps getting more unbelievable! For those of you who might not know yet, today is quickly turning into a spectacular fundraising day for Ron Paul. You've already raised over $3.6 million since midnight!

We are close to making history. In November, we mentioned that the all-time, single-day primary fundraising record is John Kerry’s $5.7 million in 2004. At this hour, Ron Paul stands at $5.4 million.

By the way, we are closing in on 25,000 FIRST-time donors today. That’s unbelievable!

With two weeks remaining in the fourth quarter, the Ron Paul 2008 presidential campaign has already surpassed its $12 million fourth quarter fundraising goal.

I live in a VERY, VERY tiny rural town about 45 miles North of Atlanta, laid back country folks that do not talk about politics and don't care to. My community is a lovely place to raise children but a converstion about fringe politicians is not the norm. Now with that said, yesterday I was taking a ride and on the side of the road was a massive "homemade" sign that said... "The Revolution has begun, Ron Paul 2008, Google it" with some very nice graphics. I thought I was the only person in my small town that even knew Mr. Paul's name for someone else to take the time and energy to make this massive sign and dig a hole for the sign, for someone else in this very small town to have joined the "revolution" is amazing. It just doesnt happen here and my friends, that is a whole lot of proof that Ron Paul is much, much, much, much bigger than we are being led to believe.

Mr. Paul will get my vote no matter what, I will write him in if I have to. The actual voter turn out in America is pathetic and I think this is why TPTB are so scared, they see RP supporters are vehement about their man. They will show up and vote come rain, sleet or snow, nothing is going to stop us from voting for him. So lets say 38% of Americans actually vote in this election, how many of those voters will be Ron Paul voters? I would say a very big %, why? because RP voters will actually vote and not just talk about voting.
If the election is not rigged, America could be getting their "Revolution" in 2008. I pray that we do sisters and brothers, I pray that we do.

Did you watch him on for the whole hour on Glenn Beck's CNN Headline News program tonight at 7 PM, 9PM and Midnight (EST)? Your premise is bogus! O'Reilly also invited him on.

Funny there is some RP hit peices on here that I have heard from some of the neo-con radio talk show host in my area (Ilisten to them for a laugh) and some of you do not think RP stands a chance because of these goofs....I heard one of them "threatening" to not have RP's name even mentioned on his show lol now thats funny it "OBVIOUSLY" made a pretty significant impact on him....With the amount of support....And I hear Rush and Hannity trieing to write his 6 million dollar day off as just a fluke or a bunch of people that are spending thier grocery money ( get real ) folks keep on supporting this man please we are making an impact with these guys obviously other wise they wouldnt be trieing to pull all of these hit peices off....Every single one of them are doing it.....Keep making noise!!!!!! I seen 5 RP bumper stickers on my way to work today!!!!! Guess how many other candiddates stickers I seen????? Yep "ZERO" !!!!!

Most of the neo-con spokesmen hate the idea of not being perpetually at war and hate the idea of not funding Israel.

Check out this post at conservativeunderground.com for example. The moderator turned into a Paul supporter and the neo-cons go nuts. They call the him a 'joooooooooooooooo hater' and call Ron Paul an isolationist and a liberal. Its pretty funny if you read through it.

www.conservativeunderground.com...

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It took the single day recruiting of 6 million George Washingtons, for that to finally happen.
Up until then, He was generally mentioned as an afterthought. When he was mentioned, it was with the same eye-rolling grin that comes with reporting UFO stories.