NASA | The Next Solar Cycle May Have Started

I just want to reply to Mythatsabigprobe's snarky comment about big objects in space approaching earth in 2012. you say "what objects?" as if none exist but clearly many do.

neo.jpl.nasa.gov...
cfa-www.harvard.edu...

and just imagine how many of these things are unknown. were probably only seeing the tip of a very big iceberg. The universe is a shooting gallery of big rocks. We're always a potential target. Granted, it isnt only 2012 when an asteroid could impact but there are a bunch that we know of that do directly coincide with 2012.


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Here's a link to one page of the Gillespie Papers Project that proposes a link between the period of Jupiter's revolution around the Sun and sunspot activity.

And here's another link to an article from ViewZone magazine that explores the links between the Mayan calendar's end date, the Sun, "barycenters" and sunspot activity, and The Galactic Alignment of December 21, 2012:

The Real Doomsday? December 21st, 2012

Magnetic Somersaults - Other possibilities on December 21, 2012:

In the first quarter of 2001, the Sun switched magnetic poles. This occurs every eleven years. Prior to this the Sun's north magnetic pole was at the north rotational pole. Now the Sun's north magnetic pole is at its south pole. Since opposite poles attract, the magnetic poles of the Earth and Sun are now at their most stable.

Just about the time of 2012 Winter Solstice, the Sun's poles will switch back. During this switch there will be a tendency for the Sun's magnetic field to pull the Earth's field with it.

If the Earth's magnetic poles switch, this would put stress on the planet aggravating earthquakes and volcanos, not to mention destruction of the electrical power distribution grid. And, if the switch happens fast enough don't ever expect your computer to work again. But if you have old tube type equipment, keep it. It should survive just fine. It will work if you can find electricity.

Source | The Real Doomsday? December21st, 2012



On a related note:

One possible use for HAARP may be to act as a defensive measure against the effects of massive solar flares.

But it's already been used to affect the weather, and it's killed and maimed innocent people on the ground.

If you have the time, there's a link at the top of "The Real Doomsday" page entitled "See Dan Eden's Confidential Message."

It's actually an absolutely astonishing read that takes you on a true, world wide adventure; from HAARP in Alaska to Yemen and Australia, and as one review noted:

This free online manuscript by Dan Eden of Viewzone.com describing his personal experiences with HAARP, NSA, petrogyphs, Ark of the Covenant, orbs, vortices, and sacred sites, to name only a few, is mesmerizing and better than any fiction novel I have recently read. Though longer than your bathroom or morning coffee break (approximately 160 pages when printed out) it is well worth the time it takes to assimilate the entire message in one sitting. I couldn't stop turning page after page until I came to his last words, "Keep your eyes open." So I highly recommend you either read it off the web site or print it out and read it, but read it. But be warned, it is highly addictive, entertaining, and most importantly, enlightening. And according to to the author...all true!

I had no idea it was that long when I began, but once caught up in the intrigue, I couldn't stop reading; I was up all night, it's that good!

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Originally posted by guyopitz
I just want to reply to Mythatsabigprobe's snarky comment about big objects in space approaching earth in 2012. you say "what objects?" as if none exist but clearly many do.

neo.jpl.nasa.gov...
cfa-www.harvard.edu...

THE PALERMO TECHNICAL IMPACT HAZARD SCALE

The Palermo Technical Impact Hazard Scale was developed to enable NEO specialists to categorize and prioritize potential impact risks spanning a wide range of impact dates, energies and probabilities. Actual scale values less than -2 reflect events for which there are no likely consequences, while Palermo Scale values between -2 and 0 indicate situations that merit careful monitoring.

There's not a single object in the list you linked to that's rated under -2 on the Palermo scale. That means they have basically zero chance of colliding with Earth or having any effect on us. I'm not here to derail this thread, so don't bother replying unless you have some evidence about the 2012 claims. Better yet, u2u it to me.

Originally posted by Project_Exo
reply to post by mythatsabigprobe

 

did you even watch the video I linked, that is part one of 4. If you watch the rest of them it will show the researchers walking in to the virgin crop circle with no paths into it. If you need more proof you should watch
this
video.google.com...
and this
video.google.com...

I watched the video you posted as proof that 1000 foot crop circles can't be made by people, happen in under two hours and have unusual magnetic fields. It didn't do any of those things, so you want me to watch more videos?

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Fair enough, I don't want to push it either. If it doesn't trouble you that you can't find any evidence, more power to you.

I am going to go with the glass half full frame of mind for now...
I hope this solar cycle wipes out all databases and we are all mortgage and debt free.
Good Luck and Good Night.

reply to post by damajikninja


Doomsayers..lol

Fact is there have been 100's of these Solar Cycles throughout the time that Humans have inhabited this planet.

We're still here aren't we?

Sure at this point in our Developement this could cause a lot of damage. Our current level of technology is very vulnerable to the Magnetic Fluxuations & radiation.

But Hey, when the time comes, Unplugh your PC, Pack it away for a few weeks in a lead Lined bag & wait it out....

I hardly think it could cause a mass extinction, if it hasn't done so before..lol

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by Project_Exo
reply to post by mythatsabigprobe

 

did you even watch the video I linked, that is part one of 4. If you watch the rest of them it will show the researchers walking in to the virgin crop circle with no paths into it. If you need more proof you should watch
this
video.google.com...
and this
video.google.com...

I watched the video you posted as proof that 1000 foot crop circles can't be made by people, happen in under two hours and have unusual magnetic fields. It didn't do any of those things, so you want me to watch more videos?

well if you want to get technical nothing was seen at 1.35am until they notice it at 3.50am, two hours and 15 minutes later, so yes you are correct it was not less than two hours. And forgive me if I though you may want to be educated on the subject before starting to spew opinions on the topic. But if you have made up your mind on what little knowledge you have on the subject just keep it to your self because no one cares.

Originally posted by Ironclad
Doomsayers..lol

Fact is there have been 100's of these Solar Cycles throughout the time that Humans have inhabited this planet.

But how many of these solar cycles have occurred as our solar system passed through the galactic plane?

Our solar system is part of a huge disc shaped collection of stars and planets called the Milky Way. We're located somewhere on the edge of the disc, slightly on top of the narrow disc. But very soon we'll be moving to the bottom of the disc. This change, from top to bottom, begins on December 21, 2012.

Yes, that's right. On the same day when our Sun is at it's solar maximum, something will happen that's never happened before -- the ecliptic of our solar system will intersect with the Galactic plane, called the "Galactic Equator" of the Milky Way!

Source | The Real Doomsday? | The Galactic Alignment of December 21, 2012



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Why don't you just provide some proof of your claims instead of a list of your favorite Youtube collections? Youtube is for entertainment and a "Metaphysicist" is not even a real occupation, let alone a real scientist.

This is the Science Forum and you should expect to be called on any claim you make. Your answer is "keep it to your self because no one cares"? Yeah, that's the way to deny ignorance.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
What is in between the reversed active region?

It is white and it is bigger than the two that are pointed out?

?

Oh and excuse me again but what is the grey round thing?

The big grey round thing = reverse?


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YES....your all very smart and I am a numbnut in this area but I posted this question on page one and still no one has answered. I am not being silly... = legitimate question!

I even woke up this morning straight from a dream trying to work out what the grey round thing is?

see...it is even affecting my sleep...

so if some enlightened individual could explain the basic que I posted, I would be most grateful

The grey thing is the sun. The colored image is not normally used for evaluation, it's just there for illustration.

All of you stop this nonsense about 2012 !,

I´m 45 years old and I´m sick and tired of Hollyhoodyan doomsday tales!
We are viewing too many horror and catastrophe films in the past years and it got in our subconscius minds and now we want it to be real. But I´ll tell you what is going to happen in 2012: The rich will be richer, and in december 2012 people will buy more presents and consume stupid gadgets to present their relatives and friends in Xtmas. Some new Apple or celular with some new idiotic feature will be the consumer dream of millions and will make big companies stakeholders more happier. Maybe during that time USA will be already invading IRAN to get their oil and keep the selling of their high tech weapons. The planet will be hotter though...
I´m tired of this because when I was in my 20´s I heard of stories of Doomsday about in 1985, 1998,1999 and of course 2000, millions of Nostradamus books were sold. Not to mention the Big fiasco of the millenium bug, wich was to stop most of the computers in the world and
really nothing happened. But thousands of scientists , writers and experts made big bucks with that case. Now this year 2012 thing is just the new doomsday year, and I´m already hearing about 2016 ( there will be always a B plan for doomsday in case things fail ). We all want some cosmic intervention, we are guilty that the world is not a so nice place to be. We are feeling guilty that we are destroying this planet with our medieval fossil driven technology wich we can´t get rid of. So we have this "death wish" we want to be blown away by a meteorite, by an alien invasion or by a solar burst. We want cosmic punishment because we have been bad boys.

We want really that some outside agency solve our problems because we are not capable so far of solving it. that is it folks. We are a imature and dangerous species. High developed technically and without a god and heartless. Our society is just that: slaverish, hypocritical, violent ..but with nice words to compensate a little...

Anyway, I don´t believe in 2012, because I don´t believe a solar explosion can shift the rotation o earth, this is so silly, can you imagine the kinetic energy that would be necessary to change the rotation of the planet ? I don´t believe in the planet X, and I don´t believe that solar max will do anything more than satellite interference. if any. I´ll hope to live up to 2012 to laugh at people who are advertising all this nonsense. But of course they will say it´s going to be 2016 by then....

Originally posted by mrgiller
So we have this "death wish" we want to be blown away by a meteorite, by an alien invasion or by a solar burst.

You forgot super calderas, continent splitting earthquakes, and massive Biblical scale world-wide flooding as the oceans are rent asunder by the tidal forces unleashed by the violent and sudden pole-reversal as our solar system crosses the galactic plane.

As we get smoked by coronal mass ejections on a scale never before witnessed by modern man.

Yep, nothing to worry about here folks, move along now, move along.

On the plus side, there's not a damn thing we can do to prevent it, so we might as well just stop worrying and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts.

Among the many drawbacks for those who believe it could happen, is the fact that if it does, they won't be around to wag their fingers in the face of the "business as usual" types and say; "I TOLD you so!"

Originally posted by mrgiller
We want cosmic punishment because we have been bad boys.

We deserve cosmic retribution because we're an arrogant, ignorant, nasty little species who can't even get along with ourselves for five minutes, let alone grow up and play nice with our cosmic neighbors.

Is it any wonder they won't make official contact?

And that's my rant for the day, thanyouverymuch!

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Well said. I can corroborate your story.

It began when I was a young teenager, in the early Seventies. People talking about how the world was going to end in the Eighties. 1984 was a date often mentioned; poor old George Orwell. Without exception the people who made these predictions were evangelical Christians - my fellow countrymen and women, but all attached to churches originating in and funded from the United States of America. Another important influence on these millenarian doom cultists was a film, The Omen, which came out in 1976. It was all about Millennial expectations and the coming of the Antichrist.

Well, 1984 came and went and nothing happened, so everything died down for a bit. Then it was the Nineties and people started to realize that the big Double M was just around the corner. The Chicken Littles for Christ started clucking away again, of course, but this time they were joined by others -- weird cults, mad right-wing militias, IT-obsessed Millennium Buggers and all the rest. The vast majority were still -- for some strange reason -- American.

2000 came and went, and again nothing happened.

So the disappointed milleniarists had to find another deadline (never has the word been more appropriate) to flap their pinions over. Desperately casting around, they found the Mayas (a long-defunct, primitive and brutal culture that never got around to inventing the wheel) and their calendar and voila, we now have a new Doomsday Year: 2012.

Once again, one cannot help noticing: the vast majority of these doomsayers are American. Yes, you will find the occasional Indian holy man or Japanese death-cult boss proclaiming that the world is going to end on such-and-such a date, but compared to the battalions of American worldenders, these Old World Prophets are a drop in the ocean.

Can anyone explain why this is? Why are Americans so susceptible to the belief (or so in love with that prospect) that The End Is Nigh? Is it something to do with evangelical Christianity? Or with a certain atavistic fascination in smashing and blowing things up, as evinced in everything from demolition derbies to Hollywood disaster films to H-bomb tests? Is thanatophilia the new American Dream?

Originally posted by housegroove23
WOW

Its really funny how you 2012 skeptics are reacting to this news. This news is not very shocking to me. If you actually do the research and actually look into it (and I don't me briefly read a part of one thing here or a part of one thing there) I mean if you really look into it and connect all of the dots then you will already know that 2012 and events that lead up to it are 100% real.

There is a fine line between being skeptical and purposely being ignorant and uninformed simply because you refuse to look at everything presented before you. With the subject of 2012 you have not just one or two things that connect to that point in time but you have at least over a hundred. Just to break it down we have:

1. All major religions of the planet, in some way shape or form reference major change in the 2012 time period.
   
2. Crop Circles with messages that point to major change happening in the 2012 time frame.
   
3. People having abductions and dreams that bring back a message that there will be major change in the 2012 time frame.
   
4. Whistle Blowers and insiders confirming that major changes are going to happen in the 2012 time frame.
   
5. Other scientific evidence is pointing to major changes in the 2012 time frame such as: The Pole Shift, Changes in the Solar System, ALREADY increasing solar activity from the Sun, and yes even Global Warming
   
6. Major object or objects that will pass our earth in the 2012 time frame.
   
7. And of course the Mayan Calender
   

With all of this information presented to us it would just be extremely ignorant to not connect the obvious dots and you have very, very little wiggle room to be skeptical.

With this current news I would like for you to watch this interview.

Dan Sherman was trained by the US Air Force as an "Intuitive Communicator" - a high-tech telepath - and found himself in daily communication with two extraterrestrials as part of the US military's preparation "for a future time in which all electronic communications would be rendered useless".

projectcamelot.org...

Now please, do your research, connect the dots and overall - WAKE-UP-PLEASE!!!

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All of that is debateable and heresay at best. Seriously I'm going to save this and when 2012 comes and goes and the world as we know it doesn't come to an end I'm going to make sure you get the I told you so memo one way or another. The day the world ends we will either not be around to see it or it will be a total surprise. I don't believe in "end of the world is happening on x date" predictions. Such predictions have been proven wrong time and again for thousands of years. The world can end tomorrow and we'd never see it coming. Is all of this supposed to happen on 12-12-2012 to boot? Whistle Blowers and insiders? You mean people like the whole Planet X crowd? who said the world would end may 2003 or whatever it was and it was sure fire done deal because afterall Nancy was in contact with the aliens who created us that lived on Planet X. I suppose the 2012 insiders are the REAL DEAL though.

This has been an awesome thread, thanks to you guys. I know I have yet to really jump in there and give my own commentary on the new sun cycle; been rather busy lately. I'll post soon enough!

In the meantime, I wanted to remind everyone about Long Quotes and how you shouldn't use them. It's happened a few times in this thread, and so far, the mods have spared you!

Originally posted by SimonGray
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Here's my prediction:

December 23rd - nothing special, a bit of panic by some becasue they think the shops will closed on Monday and wee Jimmy still hasn't got a present!! Oh and they forgot to buy a turkey.

2012 - Business as usual, unrest in the middle east. Different location but the same problems. More corrupt politicians identified and the current ones out on parole with Mr Black . More global warming and even less skeptics but far more vocal. An agreement to discuss global warming measures by 2020 in Greenland since it will be ice free by then.

2013 - Panic in August as September the 13th (friday) gets closer. The coincidence of two 13's on a date is too much to bear......

...skimmed through the thread, didn't see this photo/link to the last solar cycle to get a gauge on how powerful these storms are over their cycles.... plus, w/ that recent 'connected to the sun' news story floating around, I predict this will get pretty ugly. The blackout in 2003 took out one of the most populated places on Earth.

2008, January - according to www.spaceweather.com - the solar cycle started ! the peak activity expected in 2011-2012 (hm.. why 2012 again?) with 50-80% increased activity in comparative with what we call "usual cycle"