FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Flight 93 looks exactly like a high speed impact for an airliner. There are actual classes and experts your can find to help understand how the KE (over 2000 pounds of TNT energy at impact) of the aircraft smashed up everyone and the plane into the hole and scattered around the field in Pennsylvania. In the Air Force when we had a high speed impact in the ground and the pilot did not escape, the plane and the pilot were crushed up into a small space. From someone who has taken the Air Force course, I have yet to see any factual based evidence from 9/11 truth or anyone, to show Flight 77 did not impact the ground in Pennsylvania.

Those who say Flight 93 did not hit in Pennsylvania have failed to show the DNA evidence is false, failed to show the plane parts were not Flight 93, and failed to show the FDR is wrong. The FDR alone shows Flight 93 hit in Pennsylvania, just as it did. Not one single person has taken their overwhelming, Pulitzer Prize winning evidence to anyone. Not one piece of evidence has surfaced yet to show Flight 93 did not crash in Pennsylvania. Instead there is talk and false information. None of the stories denying Flight 93's impact make sense when you have knowledge of what a high speed impact looks like. It becomes a lack of knowledge position.

Conspiracy theories may sell DVDs and raise money for ideas not back with facts or in reality. Fiction sells. The best question to ask the people who deny Flight 93 hit in Pennsylvania; Where is your evidence, and why are you lacking a Pulitzer Prize?

reply to post by beachnut

Those who say Flight 93 did not hit in Pennsylvania have failed to show the DNA evidence is false

Was there DNA evidence recovered? Seriously. Could you point me in the direction where it can be verified?

failed to show the plane parts were not Flight 93

I have not seen any proof that whatever parts were recovered, were in fact parts from Flight 93. The onus is on the investigator to say what happened there. Why should anyone have to prove a negative? You cannot say that Flight 93 crashed there, unless you have proof.

reply to post by jackinthebox


Jack,

If you go through the middle sections of this very large thread. (pages 20-40) You will see that I suppplied an incredible amount of evdience. If you are serious about your persuit of the truth. then I trust you will read it.

If you are in fact interested in the DNA evidence the following are some links that provide information into who was involved in the collection and identification of the victims of flight 93. Their names and contact information is provided. Feel free to contact them with any questions.

Paul Sledzik, Curator Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine
Leader of flight 93 Disaster Mortuary (Team DMORT) Emil: [email protected]

Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat, Chief Scientific Advisor to Somerset County Coroner's office in the flight 93 investigation; Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department, Mercyhurst College, 501 E. 38th St. Erie, PA 16546 Email: [email protected]

Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205
DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600

other contact information:

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co, Shanksville, PA 15560 Terry Schaffer, Chief; Rick King, Ass't Chief

Somerset County Emergency Services 100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501

Westmoreland Cy Dept. of Emergency Management 12 Court House Square Greensburg, PA 15601

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Harrisburg, PA 17101


Again, Jack In the Box... are you serious about the truth? Or will you still say things like .... " i don't know any of the victims". FYI... I am from Boston...I ASSURE you, those people from flight 93 are real. I spoke with several fmaily memeber at a memorial service just this past Sept. 11. (and NO I didn't ask them about CT's)

reply to post by CaptainObvious


A genuine thank-you for the contact information.

And just to make it clear, I do not dismiss the strong possibility that there are very real victims.

I do however choose to challenge the assertions of corrupt government which has been proven to have lied deliberately time and time again.

It is your position then that DNA evidence was in fact recovered from the scene at Shanksville Pa.?

Originally posted by jackinthebox



And just to make it clear, I do not dismiss the strong possibility that there are very real victims.



It is your position then that DNA evidence was in fact recovered from the scene at Shanksville Pa.?

Jack, first of all. It is not a strong possibility. It is a fact that people died. I think it is disgusting that you would taint the memories of the vicitims by stating that their existance and death were strong posibilites.

ALL governments lie. Look at the democrat Govenor of NY. He's out bangging whores. Does that mean he killed anyone? No.

No only is it my position, but it is a FACT that all the victims of flight 93 were identified through DNA and dental records.

If you do REAL research and not only listen to people like Ivan...you may get somewhere.

reply to post by CaptainObvious

I think it is disgusting that you would taint the memories of the vicitims by stating that their existance and death were strong posibilites.

I have tainted nothing. It is for the sake of those who I know for a fact lost their lives on that day, and their loved ones, that I demand proof of what actually did happen.

ALL governments lie. Look at the democrat Govenor of NY. He's out bangging whores. Does that mean he killed anyone? No.

Just because governments lie, that makes it logical then to believe what they say?

I really don't understand your Spitzer analogy either.

No only is it my position, but it is a FACT that all the victims of flight 93 were identified through DNA and dental records.

As I have already stated, I have not been shown anything to substantiate your claims as fact. To be quite honest, I do not believe at this point, it can ever be proven where the DNA evidence was actually recovered from, if it does indeed exist. But I will take you at your word that your sources will corroborate your assertion that DNA evidence does in fact exist.

If you do REAL research and not only listen to people like Ivan...you may get somewhere.

I have not "listened" to anyone. I have examined the evidence that has been brought before me in this forum, and from that I have formulated my opinions. My opinions remain open to be challenged by the presentation of any and all evidence.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


to you, 'real research' is believing what the government spoon-feeds you.

citizen's investigation team does 'real research', and yet you probably will rationalise away all the 'smoking guns' they've revealed.

reply to post by billybob


Billybob.. why do you feel the need to derail the topic with CIT ? Don't you come in here and accuse me of being spoon fed. Next time you post a reponse to me, try using some facts.

reply to post by jackinthebox


Jack... this forum is a start. But it is a conspiracy forum. Facts are not necessary.

My point about government lying? They all do. We don't have to beleive what they say. We also have the responsibility to offer proof if we are going to accuse them of mass murder. This has yet to be done in regards to 911 being an inside job.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


i did use facts. they are hours worth of reading and viewing of them available at the pentacon website.

you accused someone of not doing real research, and then cited a military press release as 'fact'. it is known that the military will lie for strategic advantage, so why should they be trusted?

i pointed out that there are some real patriotic, good samaritan gumshoes out there on the street doing real research. really real research, not just parroting of government reports and mainstream media babble.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by billybob]

reply to post by CaptainObvious

We also have the responsibility to offer proof if we are going to accuse them of mass murder.

This I will agree with.

Wether or not Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, the level of culpability of those in power will not be revealed without a new and complete investigation. All evidence being held by the government and/or private companies must be made accessable for such an investigation.

Like the government keeps telling us every time they decide to take away more of our rights, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."

reply to post by jackinthebox


There was an investigation into the events of 911. This thread is about flight 93. I urge you to read the sections of the 911 commission report that deals with flight 93. If you have any questions after reading it, please let me know. I will do my best to get the answers for you.

reply to post by billybob


Stop derailing... Craig has plenty of threads already and honestly if I wanted to deal with a person that ignores physical and eyewitness evidence... i would frequent his website. Now, I will not repsond to you in this thread anymore if it about CIT or any other Pentagon nonsence. This is a flight 93 thread.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


The investigation you cite is a lie and a whitewash. That truth is what has brought so many people here to ATS seeking real answers.

Captain Obvious, why do feel the need to derail the discussion of the government's honesty about flight 93 by ignoring corroborating evidence of dishonesty by the government about the pentagon?

a proven liar cannot be trusted. wouldn't you agree?

Yes I agree. The evidence proves that no Boeing 757 crashed in Shanksville on September 11th, 2001.



Remember, no plane crashed in Shanksville.



Wow. I am totally convinced now more than ever that NO Boeing Crashed in Shanksville, on Spetmeber 11th,2001.

Originally posted by IvanZana

This picture is avoided and undebunkable.

There is no proof of a boeing 757 crashing.

The shoot down theory is proven disinformation started by the people who brought you " Missile on the WTC " Pentagon Hologram ", WTC holograms, not controlled demo, NUKES,... etc.

These people actually start the silly theories so they can easily debunk them later looking 1/2 intelligent, but thats another thread.

As you can see no fuel, no fire, no parts, NO Boeing 757 at Shanksville on 9/11

Mabey they are looking for cruise missile parts?

???

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

Cruise missile video. Look like a small white plane.

Would someone like to add to this? The shoot down story was part of the simulation exercise of mock hijacking and shoot downs. Debris field 6 miles away was also part of the exercise.

I think Ivan has made his case. Any more propagandists out there care to take up the challenge?

It was an eyewitness that actually got me into proving that no Boeing crashed in Shanksville on 9/11 (flight 93). (s)he said this screaming thing came over indian lake. What it was, who knows....


All the evidence proves that no plane crashed. Truthers should pump this info on every forum.

No one has ever been able to prove that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville on September 11th. 2001... NO ONE.

Thats why the shoot down theory was invented by the pod people 3 months before the Chertoff article in PM "Debunking 911 myths" show cased the shoot down theory as the lone flight 93 crash theory to obsefucate and derail from the fact that no Boeing 757 (flight 93) crashed in Shanksville on 911.
No 757 plane crashed in Shanksville on 9/11.... Period.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by jackinthebox
I think Ivan has made his case. Any more propagandists out there care to take up the challenge?

For them to do that they will have to make up more silly theories.

Occams Razor. No extra theories needed.

No plane crash in shanksville. Words and arguments doe not change the past.

I believe that the whole 9/11 fiasco was a government construct. Which of course means that 93 was part of the plan. My question is; How the hell did the American Govt. do such a terrible job at fabricating this crash. None of this crash runs along with the mainstream story. Does the govt. not have the recourses to crash a large plane (not necessarily the same model airliner as said) full of cadavers or fake bodies into the ground? Of course they do. How did they screw up this bad?

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