FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Originally posted by OrionStars

I agree. The figure was absurd.

As for jetliner engines, they do not bounce, roll, or work upward and outward against gravity. At high velocity inpact, the engine housings made of graphite would be severely compromised, as would the parts in the engines. So what explosive force (foot pounds of thrust) could force two jetliner engines to land so far away from an alleged jetliner crash, as you keep asserting?

What are the exact laws of physics that tell you it is possible for two engines, at the weight range you guessed, to land 900' (300 yards) from any alleged crash scene? Where exactly were they both alleged to be located? What physical evidence proves they landed where you assert distance landed?

1- good for you.

2-a fan rotor was found 300 yds away. i checked, closer to 500 lbs. it bounced and rolled there, it didn't arc up and over like a mortar shell. why wouldn't they bounce and roll? what makes you think this? wouldn't a 580 mph impact be enough? 580 mph (850 fps), at a 40 degree angle, is about 400 fps horizontal velocity. So to go 900 ft it would have bounced and rolled for 3-5 seconds. why is this impossible?

3- nobody ever said 2 intact engines were found anywhere. 1 fan rotor was found where i said. another combustion chamber section was dug out of the hole.

Excellent Video Brought to you by some professional pilots who also KNOW that no Boeing 757 Crashed in Shanksville on September 11, 2001

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THe official story claiming a plane crashed in Shanksville is the Conspiracy.



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reply to post by MikeVet


Where are the many, many other parts of alleged one engine and all of alleged second engine? The engine parts are just for starters as to what significantly was missing at the alleged crash site, where all parts should have been located - not 1 1/2 miles away much less 10 miles away.

No plane crashed where the "official" reports alleges it crashed. That was self-evident at 10:03 am on 9/11/2001.

reply to post by IvanZana


That video was made by Rob Balsamo. He is a member here and he posts as johndoex. Send him a U2U and invite him to this thread. Maybe he can convince me that there was no 757 crash in Shanksville.

A quick question for you. If there was a giant government conspiracy to fake a commercial airliner crash, why didn't they manufacture the crash scene in a more isolated place where there were no witnesses?

reply to post by IvanZana


I find it completely improbable someone could locate a small recorder but can find no physical evidence of the massive part that housed it.

reply to post by Boone 870


because, despite all the careful planning, there were unknown variables at play which were not considered.
"flight 93" was probably supposed to crash into a building, too. but, for whatever reason, (perhaps valient passengers?) the plane had to be shot down before it reached it's target.
that's why the debris field is 8 miles long.

reply to post by IvanZana

As you can see Rollock is over the hill from the crash site. almost 1km away.

I have it as .45 miles.

Care to explain how an eyewitness approximately 1/2 mile away from the impact can mistake a 757 for a cruise missile?

Susan McElwain claimed that it was no wider than her van and you believe her.

reply to post by billybob


How was a commercial jetliner shot down and only the recorder, but not what housed it or any part housing it found? Still working yet after a high altitude drop that had to have taken place.

There are no plane parts indicating any plane was crashed or shot down near Shanksville, PA. What has been stated to the public is minimal, and not proved to be attached to the particular SN and airline ID alleged to be Flight 93 on 9/11/2001.

There were no bodies or remains found. We were told there was. We were also told what they found was positively ID'd. However, there is no physical evidence any were actually located or positiviely ID'd. Whoever wrote up the "official" version of that was completely unversed in forensic ID - dental or DNA.

reply to post by Boone 870


Speaking for myself, if a flying object has no wings or wing engines, that would be one way of telling the difference between a very large commercial jetliner and a much smaller cruise missile.

I am on the flight path for many commercial airliners passing overhead on approach to land at the airport approximately 26 miles away. They are flying fairly low at that point. I can certainly tell the difference between a commercial jetliner, helicopters, and smaller planes. I certainly would know the difference between a cruise missile and a Boeing 757 flying overhead.

I find it completely improbable someone could locate a small recorder but can find no physical evidence of the massive part that housed it.

Thats because they are designed to survive a crash - on occasion the
box is lost or destroyed, but most times survives intact.

You just spent 3 days explaining to all of us that the aircraft is made
of fiberglass, kevlar, graphite, etc and that it would not survive an
impact. Now you are complaining that no part of the tail survived
except the only part which is designed to resist a crash. Make up
your feeble mind !

reply to post by thedman


You have certainly twisted that all out of proportion. What I said was certain components would not survive impacting two steel walls, much less push their way intact through more reinforced concrete and steel. I said nothing about aircraft crashing into the ground or water, as many other aircraft have been documented to do throughout recorded aviation history.

Those embracing the "official" reports desire to disappear any alleged aircraft, passengers, and luggage for the sake of convenience in virtual, but certainly not possible, in physical reality.

Originally posted by Boone 870

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Care to explain how an eyewitness approximately 1/2 mile away from the impact can mistake a 757 for a cruise missile?

Susan McElwain claimed that it was no wider than her van and you believe her.

Purbaugh, worked at Rollock Inc., a scrap yard next to the crash area.
He also was the only person to "see the last seconds of Flight 93" as it came down on the former strip-mining land at reportedly 10.06am- and he recognised another "white jet".

Lee Purbaugh, 32, working just his second day at Rollock Inc., a scrap yard next to the reclaimed strip-mine land, looked up from operating a burning torch to see the jetliner just 40 feet above him.

"I heard this real loud noise coming over my head," he told the Daily Mirror. "I looked up and it was Flight 93, barely 50ft above me. It was coming down in a 45 degree and rocking from side to side. Then the nose suddenly dipped and it just crashed into the ground. There was this big fireball and then a huge cloud of smoke."

According to the NTSB the plane was upside down.
This guys credibility is muck.

According to Independent UK, Purbaugh, served three years in the US Navy.

Intersting enough ..... "According to Independent UK, Purbaugh, served three years in the US Navy.
"

So "Lee" spends 3 years in the US navy and leaves to work at rollock scarp yard in Shanksville. On his second day at work, 2 hours in, he became that last person to "SEE" flight 93 and he said it was comming down 40 feet above him at a 45 degree angle wonbbling left to right before having his nose"dip" in the ground.

But it doesnt matter what she or he said for there was no plane crash in Shanksvillle on 9/11.

There. Eyewitnesses with cameras

No plane there. Nothing. No Fire, No parts, nothing that you can tell a plane crashed there

I believe them before any printed 'official' paper written by someone in an office who knows nothing.

Those Cnn accounts pretty much destroyed the official story from minute one anyways.

Then viewing the pictures of the Bomb crater, it removed all doubt.

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reply to post by Boone 870

A quick question for you. If there was a giant government conspiracy to fake a commercial airliner crash, why didn't they manufacture the crash scene in a more isolated place where there were no witnesses?

I think the fact that it "crashed" so far from Washington, or any other urban area is indeed further evidence that the scene was manufactured. It's pretty isolated there. Probably about as isolated as one could get in the northeast. And then we have to factor in the possibility of unknown variables and parameters set on the operation.

reply to post by jackinthebox


I agree with you. Rural isolated areas once existing no longer exist in great quantiy any longer on the east side of the US. The closer to DC - the less isolated any land is in any state.

With a large groves of trees surrounding the area of an abandoned strip mine in what is left of actual rural areas, how much more isolated can it get on the east side of the US going into DC?

[ Looks like something like a military ordinnance (bomb/missile) created the crater after hitting the already present fissure/scar.

This next picture is of one of many natural "wing scars" that can be found within a couple of km's from the Shanksville missile crater.


This next scar is only meters away from the crater.


So you see. THe wing scars were present pre 9/11 which concluded that no Boeing 757 crashed in Shanksville on 911.

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reply to post by IvanZana


Interesting "wing scars" with no other parts indicative of any plane, including engines.

Cherry Picking At it's Finest

I thought I would add to this thread with a list of witnesses to flight 93. There are many more, but I am limited with space per post. There is no doubt in any of these eyewitnesses minds what they saw. A cruise misselmay look like a 757 from 10-20-30 thousand feet. I doubt they got this craft confused by their locations.

Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.

“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.

Link

"It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."

Link

Then Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.

Peterson rushed to the scene on an all-terrain vehicle and when he arrived he saw bits and pieces of an airliner spread over a large area of an abandoned strip-mine in Stonycreek Township.

"There was a crater in the ground that was really burning," Peterson said. Strewn about were pieces of clothing hanging from trees and parts of the Boeing 757, but nothing bigger than a couple of feet long, he said. Many of the items were burning.

Link

The ensuing firestorm lasted five or 10 minutes and reached several hundred yards into the sky, said Joe Wilt, 63, who also lives a quarter-mile from the crash site.

-"Jetliner Was Diverted Toward Washington Before Crash in Pa." The Washington Post September 12, 2001

Rob Kimmel, several miles from the crash site: He sees it fly overhead, banking hard to the right. It is 200 feet or less off the ground as it crests a hill to the southeast. "I saw the top of the plane, not the bottom."

- [Among the Heroes, by Jere Longman, p. 210-211]

Terry Butler "It dropped out of the clouds." The plane rose slightly, trying to gain altitude, then "it just went flip to the right and then straight down."

-[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/12/01]

Lee Purbaugh, 300 yards away: "There was an incredibly loud rumbling sound and there it was, right there, right above my head – maybe 50 feet up.... I saw it rock from side to side then, suddenly, it dipped and dived, nose first, with a huge explosion, into the ground. I knew immediately that no one could possibly have survived."

-[Independent, 8/13/02]

If anyone is interested, I will post witness statements from the crash scene.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


I find it amazing that anyone was so close to a nose diving commercial jetcraft, he or she lived to tell about being able, or almost able, to count the rivets. That is beyond being able to find any credibility in eyewitness account. It has to do with the physics of nose diving aircraft and where someone would have to be located, in order to count rivets and see a "roof" of a nose diving airplane.

Crash Scene Witnesses

Fox stepped over a seat back. He saw a wiring harness, and a piston. None of the other pieces was bigger than a TV remote.

He saw three chunks of torn human tissue. He swallowed hard.

"You knew there were people there, but you couldn't see them," he says, home now, the kids playing in the background. "You try not to let it sink into you too much."

He'd assumed it was an accident. A Cessna, maybe. A spark in the fuel tank. A stuck rudder. He didn't connect it to the other planes, still crashing on cable TV.

www.pittsburghlive.com...

first responder & Others details:

Local FBI agent Wells Morrison told author Glenn Kashurba what he saw when he arrived at the crash site: "We arrived in the immediate area and walked up to the crater and the burning woods. My first thought was, 'Where is the plane?' Because most of what I saw was this honeycomb looking stuff, which I believe is insulation or something like that. I was not seeing anything that was distinguishable either as human remains or aircraft debris."

(Glenn Kashurba, Courage After the Crash, 2002, p. 110)

...Miller was familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord, with five vertebrae attached.

Link

Mr. Miller Identifies 12 Passengers by Dental Records:

Miller said he had identified 12 of the victims through dental records and fingerprints. He is refusing to release the names of those victims, saying he does not want to upset their families.

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If anyone has question about Coroner Miller, here is his information:

Somerset County Coroner's Office: 555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501









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