US: thanks for destroying our world!

reply to post by camain


Well, at least you're honest I guess.

I take it you don't have any children?

Wow. People STILL believe in the fairy tale of man-made global warming? I figured with all the much better scientific evidence out there pointing to a natural cycle of global warming created by an active period of solar activity would even explain to the most braindead commie that the religion being spouted by Al Bore is better suited for an episode of Bulls***.

But, well, people still believe in Santa, and its a free country, so people still have the right to believe whatever tripe they want.

while it may not have been proven totally that humans are responsible
for global warming, it is idiotic to believe humans have not contributed
to the problem. i also do not believe the working class americans are
responsible simply because they drive SUVs. the REAL problem are the
big oil and corporations who make big money from the largesse created
by their greed. to put it simply, if there were affordable efficient vehicles
available, americans would buy them. the CAFE standards are a joke.
america can send people to other planets yet cannot build vehicles
capable of a 50mi. per gallon average???? if you believe that, i've got
a bridge in nebraska for sale. CHEAP!!!!!

The fact is by buying the computer and services to post this string, you did significant damage to the environment too. Everyone is part of the problem as long as we do not first, take responsibility for all the products and services we use. Second to realize there are entities well beyond any nationalistic or proprietary governmental interests at fault.

Most, if not virtually all people, educated on the problems we are facing would stop their carbon foot from hitting the ground, but, the way the whole game was set (intentionally disregarding our sustainability in favor of obscene profit and control) it is so hard and complex to avoid adding to the problem as an individual that we all would have to starve to death, stop work, and do nothing. Even the synthetics in your clothing, food storage, home and appliance construction materials, even the materials and energy to make the manufacturing facilities to make the products using plastics and oil based synthetics, all products do the damage.

"You who are without sin, cast the first stone".

Good luck with that.

The real culprits are the headless-heartless beast we all pay our lives earnings to. The multinational corporations who own the governments as well as all the products including the energy manufacturing and distribution world wide.

If we are to truly grow out of this terminal greed-diseased stage of species development, we need see ourselves as EARTHLINGS.

The patsies set up by the MNSC (Multi-National Super Corporations) are nation states. They keep the noise up between nationalistic entities and the individual is, without any power, pulled along to be blamed, effectively taking the light of awareness off the MNSCs.

I think what the biblical AntiChrist was, was the MNSCs. They are anti anything but power. Anti life, anti spiritual, anti being.

All the horrors of war, hunger, health and diseases are created and controlled in order to control and milk each individual of their birthright to live with love, compassion, beauty, friendship, and peace. Now we are too many. Anyones guess what is next?

Cut the lines between nations. Cut the lines between peoples. Cut the lines that are only there to hold us in place and take our real powers as individuals who would together create a beautiful sustainable world given the chance.

Find a way to get to the MNSCs, and stop bickering about this nation and that. Wake up and smell the burning oil. The smokestacks are not ours. We only pay with all our labors to be warmed by the heat from the burn that darkens our sky's and our hearts. Let's warm each other where we can, and start the boycott of the dark energy we have become addicted to.

It is time to be an Earthling. We can go from there.

ZG

reply to post by infinite


You seriously need to study your history and it would prob be a good idea for you to pick up volume 4 of Winston Churchhills "A History of The English Speaking Peoples"
You are either blatently disregarding or just have no idea whatsoever about what you are saying. Either way you should try to avoid the Ostrich Effect you seem to be self inducing

Joining the party a little late ....

The US is not destroying the world ... we all are! Good job everyone!

But certainly the US has the biggest responsibility in reducing energy consumption and CO2 emissions - afterall it is unfair to ask a country that barely feeds over a billion to do it before one that feeds 300 million quite comfortably.

The fight has to start at home. We all know the drill - walk when you can instead of driving, turn down the heat, stop using plastic bags and reuse, reuse, reuse, reuse, reuse before you recycle. etc. etc. etc.

I am so happy someone started this topic,

UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction

www.nationalpost.com...

Signatories of an open letter on the UN climate-conference
www.nationalpost.com...

The following are signatories to the Dec. 13th letter to the Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations on the UN Climate conference in Bali:

www.nationalpost.com...

The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.

Climate scientists reported in the December issue of the International Journal of Climatology, published by Britain's Royal Meteorological Society, that observed temperature changes measured over the last 30 years don't match well with temperatures predicted by the mathematical climate models relied on by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

www.foxnews.com...

"Can the models accurately explain the climate from the recent past? It seems that the answer is no," said lead study author David H. Douglass, a physicist specializing in climate at the University of Rochester."We do not see accelerated warming in the tropical troposphere," said Christy. "Instead, the lower and middle atmosphere are warming the same or less than the surface."

Magma May Be Melting Greenland Ice

www.livescience.com...

clues to a new natural contribution to the melt arose when scientists discovered a thin spot in the Earth’s crust under the northeast corner of the Greenland Ice Sheet where heat from Earth’s insides could seep through, scientists will report here this week at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

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Originally posted by 2believeor0
Joining the party a little late ....

The US is not destroying the world ... we all are! Good job everyone!

But certainly the US has the biggest responsibility in reducing energy consumption and CO2 emissions - afterall it is unfair to ask a country that barely feeds over a billion to do it before one that feeds 300 million quite comfortably.

The fight has to start at home. We all know the drill - walk when you can instead of driving, turn down the heat, stop using plastic bags and reuse, reuse, reuse, reuse, reuse before you recycle. etc. etc. etc.

I would agree, but add that it is of utmost importance that we look for and support new energy technologies.

If we continue to merely try to suffer the losses of our comforts and needed energy to subsist in this mechanized society without challenging the policies and methods who have NO plans to change the way products we buy use energy, we are just supporting this beast, and continue in dooming ours and our children's future.

We can make a difference as individuals, but overall it will not rapidly change the situation, and we will just suffer more unless these entities who own all the products, the markets, the governments and all the sub-corporate entities (who in most cases are clueless gears) in these massive mechanisms of juggernauts we call multi-national corporations.

See the maddness...?

Hating ourselves for buying and throwing away a Styrofoam cup, being angry at the person who sold it to you, then him being angry that he cannot afford to be in business and unless he can cut his costs by buying the cheaper (anti-green) cups to compete with Mega-Corp-Coffee on every block, then, the Mega-Corp_Coffee CEO being angry that they have to protect themselves with expensive law firms and corporate lawyers to keep from being gobbled up by the bigger corporations, so having to cut cost use less efficient and cheaper energy inefficient supply and try and increase profits so infringe on more communities with their shops, displacing the mom and pop shop who can only afford the cheaper Styrofoam cup... It is madness. A vicious wheel we have been given.

It is the same type of wheel in a hamster cage that keeps the hamster busy while the cage remains contained.

We are blaming each other and fairly oblivious to the big picture. And THAT is where the evil is.

I don't think containment is humane. WE NEED TO FIND AND SUPPORT ALTERNATIVE ENERGY! Take it and keep it from the monsters.

ZG

i personally don't believe humankind is causing global warming i think its more of a natural cycle of things but regardless of that we are polluting the planet, making it inhabitable for many species and i fear we will inevitably make it inhabitable for ourselves too. As for the unnecessary cars and gadgets its sad to think we forfeit our health and planet for a fashion statement, is the US to blame of course not we all are since the industrial age and its good some countries are hoping to do something about it and a slight shame for those who are not but i think as soon as the kyoto treaties begin to effect bank balances then they will go straight out the window, which is sad. look at the world since industry though life is a lot better damn its a lot uglier nature generally is aesthetically pleasing when you look at some of the pipes and smoke, chimneystacks cooling towers even general urban areas they are an eyesore makes me feel depressed just thinking about them i find visual pollution even worse than most other kinds there should be a law to make structures fit with their environment more

I must say it is not that I don't want a unpolluted planet,

The scary part is, I don't trust the UN, or the,

political spirituality of enviormentalism.

Especially the holy script called the, Kyoto protocol, and the prophet elect Al Gore.


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Originally posted by 2believeor0
The US is not destroying the world ... we all are! Good job everyone!

I think that's the important point. No point blaming the US for emissions, minimising our own impacts.

The big issue with the US is its continual scuppering of coordinated efforts to mitigate. But, again, it's not alone in this. Last time it was with Australians, this time the Canadians.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Wow. People STILL believe in the fairy tale of man-made global warming? I figured with all the much better scientific evidence out there pointing to a natural cycle of global warming created by an active period of solar activity

Much better?

Or do you mean non-existent? Solar activity has been pretty much constant for decades.


Krivova & Solanki (2003).

episode of Bulls***.

Aye, you'd know all about that.

Good idea! Totally ignore China and India and blame the USA!
The next ice age will arrive about 1600 years. It cannot be
slowed down or stopped by anyone. It's a natural cycle of
the planet Earth. Why don't you just move to the moon?
There's no global warming on the moon.
We should have the technology and means to get there
and back soon. It should be a 2 hour flight in nonlinear time.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777



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I am so happy you posted that ..thats the real "fresh air" we need in this "dialogue"

I remember the song here in the US of A 'take this job and shove it"..then when there were no jobs they came out with "I wish I had a job to shove." the fact is even with accords we agree to China has violated every single one..what makes anyone think that if its the UN .anything will be enforced..for those saying look at our record..look at theirs instead!
I dont care if it jaywalking..they can't do it..let alone pay millions in parking tickets in ny!
Get Real!

reply to post by Johnmike


Say what?? The only ignorance being spread here is by those who continue to harp on about Global Warming being 'natural' & 'cyclical' - even though it has been scientifically proven beyond any reasonable doubt, again & again, that it IS indeed man-made CO2 emmisions that is the primary cause.

Even your own administration has just been caught using disinformation about GW (which people like yourself seem to have bought into..) in order to confuse the american public on this critically important subject. This is on the record - there is simply no denying it.

Wake up folks - some people here are sleep walking.

J.

A very important post,and a timely subject. What can I (nondescript US citizen) do? I'm not in favor of a carbon tax. Why? Don't trust the people who would be collecting it.

To the OP: Please leave America if you hate it and it's people so much...

I'm sick and tired of people, or should I say "sheeple" who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to Global Warming, and it's causes.

Mankind can't hurt God's planet....don't be so naive and gullible to Algore's "religion"

All the planets in our solar system are experiencing warming...is that because of Americans and their SUVs?

Think for yourself...and it might not be a bad idea to purchase a helmet to protect that soft head of your's.

I'll send you the plane ticket...if you promise to leave the best country in the world, capeesh?

JIMBO-

Please, sir/madame....don't fall for this hoax. Mankind can't hurt God's creation. No, really, we can't.

Don't believe everything the mainstread media spews out in regards to mankind afftecting the climate in a negative way.

I'll make a prediction...in 5 years, all these soft-heads that are warning us about warming, will be singing a different tune. Back to an impending ICE AGE threat, I'm sure

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Good idea! Totally ignore China and India and blame the USA!
The next ice age will arrive about 1600 years. It cannot be
slowed down or stopped by anyone. It's a natural cycle of
the planet Earth. Why don't you just move to the moon?
There's no global warming on the moon.
We should have the technology and means to get there
and back soon. It should be a 2 hour flight in nonlinear time.

What the hell is that? Playing the blame-game is not an option here. Everyone has to kick in. The US, China, India, the EU - the whole godamn lot of us.

There's no use using the 'natural cycles of the earth' BS - it's been blown out of the water long ago - that's if it was ever floating to begin with...... which it wasn't.

All that 'natural cycle' stuff was pure, 100% oil-industry propaganda. And we can now say this with absolute certainty, as we have the White House's very own memorandums outlining EXACTLY how they planned to dupe the US public with this Mickey Mouse psuedo-science..

J.


J.

Originally posted by LiamStemrad
JIMBO-

Please, sir/madame....don't fall for this hoax. Mankind can't hurt God's creation. No, really, we can't.

Don't believe everything the mainstread media spews out in regards to mankind afftecting the climate in a negative way.

I'll make a prediction...in 5 years, all these soft-heads that are warning us about warming, will be singing a different tune. Back to an impending ICE AGE threat, I'm sure

I somehow doubt that. I don't fall for anyone's propaganda - least of all the oil industry

I'll make a prediction too. In 5 years, if nothing serious is done to start counteracting the severity, the weather in many parts of the US will become intollerable in the summer. Many thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands may die - particularily the old & the young.

On what evidence can I possibly base these claims? It already happened in France several summers ago, and many thousands died - and that was just a mild version of the affects of GW.

J.

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