My Threads Are Being Stolen By Other Websites From ATS!!

reply to post by mikesingh


I found a video on www.youtube.com... entitled, "FEMA camps with 1 million f...", yesterday, (Sunday 11.30.07). At the end of this video appeared to be an exact duplicate of a video embedded in a thread entitled 'FEMA Coffins in Georgia' by ATA member 'Stingray.'

I sent a private message to "INSIDERUK" and asked where those containers were located; however, I have yet to receive a reply.

Today, I am unable to find that video. You can, however, clink on his user name and find where it had been uploaded at one point, but No Can Look as of 12/31/07!

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reply to post by mikesingh


i have a question

CREATIVE COMMONS CORPORATION IS NOT A LAW FIRM AND DOES NOT PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES. DISTRIBUTION OF THIS LICENSE DOES NOT CREATE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. CREATIVE COMMONS PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION ON AN "AS-IS" BASIS. CREATIVE COMMONS MAKES NO WARRANTIES REGARDING THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, AND DISCLAIMS LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ITS USE.

not that care about copying peoples work as thats something i dont like to do and way below me,

but is there actuily a real legal site that says they have broken the LAW?

if you really want to find clones of your post , just google the exact tytle of your thread :

for example take a look at his google :

www.google.co.uk...

the first link that would come is not my posting, but the clone of it!

not a big deal , but they do not mention ATS as source even if they use my broken english

i wanted to let them know that it is not correct what they do - as they should mention the link . But i found out that the ATS link was banned and replaced automaticly . Also my "account" was suspended for mentioning ATS.. o Gosh! then i wanted to use Proxy-Servers to come back & post ( a way to make you anonymous) but for my surprise , the mentioned website BANNED the anonymus - servers . This procedure seems to be accepted (and defended -using vulgar vocabulary ) by the members of the website as they feel they have the right to post whatever they please wihtout mentioning the source..

reply to post by sty


I think some of you guys are being ridiculous. You should be honored someone is even reading your posts, let alone off ATS. Do you really need credit for every topic you make here? Is there money you are losing from this, or is it just purely an ego thing? I really have a hard time understanding why it upsets so many people... I mean 7 pages of it!

reply to post by scientist



the most flexible and free copyright licience ever created is GPL (General Public Licience)

even so - you are allowed to publis/distribute/whatever you want, but you have to mention the source.

read this

www.gnu.org...

this is used for LINUX - FREE as in FREE BEER, however - still some rules. People using Apache servers for their website - even if the software is 100% free - they mention on their website "hosted by Apache server" - this is the game... if you do not want to play it - just stay home, you are not obligated to play it..


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Originally posted by scientist
I think some of you guys are being ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous to anticipate the simple courtesy and respect identifying the source when using material created by someone else. We demand our members do so in anticipation that our high standards will inspire others to similarly respect the work of those who contribute to ATS.

i'm fine with this. my work got published in something called. miniaturebrainwave..it's cool with me.

www.miniaturebrainwave.com...

I freely share whatever I create, here and elsewhere. Sometimes, depending on the situation and the item/subject, I expect payment. But at the very least I expect to be recognized for my efforts.

A person that will think nothing of stealing intellectual property is capable of stealing your wallet or your car. A thief is a thief, as simple as that. So if you argue for the "right" of these people, then you are in fact supporting the right to steal.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


could not agree more!

Erm actually it is a bit ridiculous..there's nothing he or ATS can legally do. Unless he copyrighted, and published his works..there's nothing illegal about "stealing" his threads.

Just because they have that creative commons thing..doesn't mean anything. It won't hold up in a court of law. I've had to sue and countersue people who were infringing on my copyritten work before. Trust me..the law is very clear..unless you have copyrighted the work with the government..you do not own anything you write.

It doesn't even matter if you wrote something..and someone stole it..and copyrighted it under their name. LEgally..they will own it, and there's not anything you can do. It's sucky..but the first thing anyone who creates content should learn about, it's copyright law.

Posts aren't really protected by copyright law. You could try and make a case that because it was "published" on a certain date..that it's yours..but honestly the arguement probably wont' hold up. Besides..you showing up and saying "i'm the guy that wrote these threads" is useless..you need the actual documented copyright in your name.

I'd suggjest if people using your "work" bothers you, to copyright any writings you make before you post them...because basically you're ass outta luck otherwise..

Originally posted by Spawwwn
but honestly the arguement probably wont' hold up. Besides..you showing up and saying "i'm the guy that wrote these threads" is useless..you need the actual documented copyright in your name...

Actually... you may have received improper legal advice.

More than three years ago, we engaged intellectual property legal expertise on this matter, and have continued to do so to this day. There are several occasions in which our members would have no knowledge of our activity where we've successfully defended the authorship of ATS material.

If you create something, have a confirmable date of creation (date of posting here on ATS), and indicate usage rights (TOS and CC) then your/our defense is very simple and clear. In the event a case actually enters the "legal phase" of lawyers passing letters, then it is an advantage to register copyright, but not required for the initial phase of defense under the DMCA.

And the Creative Commons deed has indeed been tested successfully on several occasions in court... however, I believe all cases were DMCA-based, and not involving offline copyright violations where DMCA does not apply.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by scientist
I think some of you guys are being ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous to anticipate the simple courtesy and respect identifying the source when using material created by someone else. We demand our members do so in anticipation that our high standards will inspire others to similarly respect the work of those who contribute to ATS.

I agree 100%, however "anticipate" and throw a tantrum are completely different. I think the title of this thread set an alarmist tone with some people.

reply to post by scientist


Would you be alarmed to know that these people had "borrowed" your lawnmower out of your garage, and might come back for the rest of your tools?

Just asking. (By the way, I need to borrow you car, mine isn't doing so hot. )

Even if u could find a court thatd accept the date of posting as valid (trust me this is very weak compared to a real copyright) the spesific post hes complaining about, aint really defined as a protected work.

It aint a paper that he created..he simply looked at some photos, n made an opinion bout something. The photos wasn't his, so hed have to get permission from NASA or whereever he got em before he could even publish it.

Opinion/theory bout something, that probably ain't even what hes claiming it to be, aint protected. There are papers and certain things ive seen on here (yet not actually taken the time to read) that could possibly fall in the area of protected works (if they was copyrighted 2 begin with), because they are original works that use original photos taken by the author.

Ive seen nothing in his post that warrants legal copyright infringement. I mean so what someone cloned it on another site? Im sure its probably cloned on other sites, just as im sure many other threads from ATS are cloned. This is the internet. If u don't want ur stff stolen don't post lol.

I definatley stand by someones assumption of it being "ridiculous" for there to be this much drama about it. I really think a lotta u are misgided about how copyright law actually work.

Originally posted by NGC2736
reply to post by scientist

 

Would you be alarmed to know that these people had "borrowed" your lawnmower out of your garage, and might come back for the rest of your tools?

Just asking. (By the way, I need to borrow you car, mine isn't doing so hot.

)

not a valid analogy. Lawnmower is a physical item that has an actual production cost and function. A better analogy would be to say they snuck in and made a clone of your lawnmower. Who loses in that one?

Imn ot trying to make a big deal out of anything, but the oposite. Show how trivial this is.

Hi Mike
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, (especially for a 1st post) but someone on Alienhub.com is also taking credit for your work/research

www.alienhub.com...

Mark Roazhar

reply to post by Mark Roazhar


Uh oh. Here we go again.

Mike, you should just edit the Wikipedia entry on Mars/Mars conspiracy to give yourself credit, and check up on it regularly.

Being a coder/artist/musician, I am used to people taking credit for my work, and trying to use it as their own. The only real defense is to copyright everything, and to make sure you give yourself credit in as many places as possible, so when someone does try to infringe on your hard work, chances are they will look like the plagiarizing fools they are.

Originally posted by Mark Roazhar
Hi Mike
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, (especially for a 1st post) but someone on Alienhub.com is also taking credit for your work/research

www.alienhub.com...

Mark Roazhar

Hi Mark, The tragedy is that the plagiarist is none other than a member of ATS and that SUCKS!! His pseudo name is ROHNDS. He's a member of a number of other websites too and has the habit of ripping off stuff from ATS and posting them there. Needless to say, he passes them off as his 'research' and findings!!!

One of his other favorites is Internos. This guy has been warned already. But how far it's going to rub off his thick hide is anyones guess.

reply to post by jedimiller


JM, I read your post on the brainwave site and they not only mention your name, they mention ATS. Mike received no such recognition for his work. See the difference?