Ex-Italian President 9/11 An Inside Job

reply to post by pavil

Please give me one proven fact or documented detail that supports his allegation. It's really quite a simple request, you should be able to provide it right?

Pavil, Just search across this site or many others run by engineers, architects, professors, lawyers and other scholars. You will find much evidence to support his claims and also that the official 9/11 story is a tall tale. You will also find some clear misinformation and bogus claims intended to cast doubt on the more serious ones, but I'm sure you're smart enough to tell the difference.

That you claim there is no evidence in such an authoritative, challenging tone says a lot. Why do you care so much to argue with so much energy against this ex-Italian president who has proven in the past that he was correct in previous, intelligence related allegations?

Originally posted by coven

/Rant ON

Soooo the ex-president of Italy is a neo-nazi Eh? I guess it fits in with their support of the 'national socialist' movement in Germany that CAUSED WWII.

Lets me just state for the record I will GLADLY take a board kick to put you NAZI's in your place... to blame everything on the MOSSAD and the "Zionists" is a sad sad excuse for your existence.

As a Member of the ARA (Anti Racism Action Group) and a former ARA skinhead it would cause me nothing but pleasure to give you a curb smile via the internet. We ARE active in America... and we believe scum only belongs in one place... THE TRASH.


For the Record... if you are anti-zionist (wow sucks that people want to have a say so in the religion of their leadership [read sarcasm]) you are a Anti Semite... which in turn makes you a NEO nazi... If you think the MOSSAD were involved in the acts of 9-11 you are a sad excuse for an American.

Rant on indeed. Someone's got quite a twisted and conflicted worldview. And has some major problems with anger control.

The only thing I agree with you about is that 911 was an inside job; the rest makes me even hesitate to agree with you, and is frankly sad.

What makes the guy credible and respected is his former position and the fact that he staged false flag attacks himself.

The use of the word "zionism" in the newspaper article was not very wise. I wonder why credible and respected public figures disgrace their credibility by using "loaded" words. Itrs stuff like this that allows the media to say "ah...the 9/11 Truthers are just a bunch of anti-semites". He could have left it at "It was an inside job". Is that so difficult? Do you have to aded racist ideology to that? Some people have no control over what they say. If he would have kept it at "inside job" his statement would have caused ripples in the entire media world by now.

reply to post by unnamedninja

I find it really confusing that you guys would cut all your hair off, and try and look like skinheads, but oppose them? you even use the same style of propaganda, intentionally "lo fi" printed flyers etc. Just asking, how do you disprupt their little marches and stuff, does it get violent? Do you consider yourself just as bad as those people are? What are your opinions on free speech?

actually the purpose of the skinhead (when I was a SHARP/ARA Skin) is to be able to blend in with the enemy(until they see our boot laces aren't red or white). Our protests are normally well organized, and extremely peaceful. The bigots ALWAYS throw the first punch. To respond to that is self defense, which we support. Our goal is NOT violence, but the avoidance of violence... sadly though most skinheads don't get counterprotesting, and hit us for disagreeing with them. Hell they took two of our members from Cali and assassinated them in the desert (execution style.. with a shotgun); why? because they disagreed with their racist views. NO I don't think I'm evil... and no I do NOT compare this organization to skinheads/neo-nazis.
Most disrupution of marches are done 60's style. Sit down Link hands.. and block the road.

I just feel uneasy about political correctness gone mad when it comes down to persecuting people who "insult" other's religion or lifestyle. Insulting another religion is just fine and dandy as far as i'm concerned, as long as it doesn't get violent it's fine.

but thats the problem. Most (like 99%) of Skins are violent. Most Skins will attack a person for the simple fact that they disagree with them, or their skin is a different color... or god forbid... if they LOOK Jewish/Arabic.
That is why I don't feel they have to right to spew their hate speech. Would you want your child to hear that drivel? and have to explain to them why it's bad?

Confusing, i see that you're being sarcastic, is the whole thing sarcasm? I mean Mossad were extremely helpful in organizing 9/11 You must know how tight the US is with Israel, how they cooperate in military and intelligence matters. It's not about who left the back door open (or turned the radars off and sent all the jets on a military exercise far far away) it's about who provided the information about the people who would be coming through the back door. Mossad provide detailed middle east intelligence to the cia, it's as simple as that.

your exactly right. But to say Mossad was involved for WARNING the US that terrorist were on their way in (we are one of the FEW countries in the world that will not ALLOW mossad to operate within our borders...[i.e. assassinate potential terrorist before they attack]) and equating that to the obviously American stand down orders (or covert operations to make the defense of the country impossible) Cannot be blamed on mossad. The blame lies 100% with the US government. Now if there is proof that Mossad assisted these terrorists getting into America, assisted them monetarily, assisted them with passports and whatnot, then we may have an argument against mossad in this action. I have yet to see and documentation supporting this view... except for in Anti-zionist organizations.

seriously though... Lets get back on topic... Glad to answer your questions... but any further questions should go to U2U for the sake of this forum.

(lastly mods I posted this in case anyone had the same questions... to avoid going further off topic)

reply to post by gottago


personal attacks (or whatever you want to call saying someone has anger issues and a flawed world view) are not necessary and are against
T&C.

If people would get off the Israel did it boat, maybe I wouldn't continue to get so angry about it... but that line of thinking is just the same as the war on terrorism. Notice how were only fighting muslims in that one??? So whats the next step? War on Judaic Terrorism? leave the religions out of it... and get to the source of the problem. Imagine a war on your religion (or watching a war on your religion building up in the general populace), and maybe you can see what its like in another persons shoes.

and for the record I am not Jewish, but I will NOT tolerate other people bashing another persons religion for unscrupulous reasons.


back to the topic please...

I think Cossiga's comments are incredibly important.

For a long time now, I and others have urged people to look at the historcal backdrop to 9/11 and, in particular, extraordinary actions such as The Strategy of Tension and the Gladio stay-behind armies that prosecuted that campaign. Here we have the very man who first spoke publicly about Gladio telling us that 9/11 was an inside job. Given his awareness of - and indeed his involvement with - the CIA in Italy, and given also his history of going public in difficult circumstances, I think his comments should be taken very seriously.

The real question, which was asked a while ago now, is: what can be done about it?

If the claims are as clear cut as they've been portrayed, then I've little doubt that Cossiga could back them up with either documentary evidence or else a devestating oral testimony, including the methods, the people and the agenda.

I guess then that the fist step should be to clarify precisely what his claims are.

I have a question for those believers in the "inside job" concept.

Why are you holding up the comments of this man as proof of anything?

As I understand it, most 9/11 "truthers" don't believe airplanes were really used or really crashed into the WTC, Pentagon, or the field in PA. I point to the myraid theories on cruise missles, fly overs, holograms, thermite, micro-nukes, pre-planted explosives, jet fuel cant melt steel, etc....

If you have ever argued the concept of 9-11 being a "government operation" by citing the various no airplane theories, then you cannot cite Cossiga's comments as proof of anything since in his own words, he states that he believes airplanes were used.

"The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

These comments sound like the ramblings of a senile old man to me.


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reply to post by darkbluesky


well, its mainly about questioning the official line...regardless of which theory is used initially.

And no matter what theory is used, I think all CTs would agree that it was an orchestrated inside job...be it with or without planes is secondary to THAT realization.

The reason this guys statement is so important is because he is himself an insider.

The only problem is his biased anti-semitic stance. That makes him a few percent less credible in my view.

[edit on 5-12-2007 by alanbmac]

Originally posted by alanbmac

Originally posted by coven
reply to post by unnamedninja

 

I find it really confusing that you guys would cut all your hair off, and try and look like skinheads, but oppose them? you even use the same style of propaganda, intentionally "lo fi" printed flyers etc. Just asking, how do you disprupt their little marches and stuff, does it get violent? Do you consider yourself just as bad as those people are? What are your opinions on free speech?

actually the purpose of the skinhead (when I was a SHARP/ARA Skin) is to be able to blend in with the enemy(until they see our boot laces aren't red or white). Our protests are normally well organized, and extremely peaceful. The bigots ALWAYS throw the first punch. To respond to that is self defense, which we support. Our goal is NOT violence, but the avoidance of violence... sadly though most skinheads don't get counterprotesting, and hit us for disagreeing with them. Hell they took two of our members from Cali and assassinated them in the desert (execution style.. with a shotgun); why? because they disagreed with their racist views. NO I don't think I'm evil... and no I do NOT compare this organization to skinheads/neo-nazis.
Most disrupution of marches are done 60's style. Sit down Link hands.. and block the road.

Jesus, talk about not staying topic. WTF do skinheads have to do with this thread.

reply to post by unnamedninja

Your point is very well made.

People get convicted in court on very sketchy evidence every day of the week. A lot of the administration apologists would not even go to trial unless they had "iron clad" proof of the Bush administration's guilt.

But then ask them what this "iron clad" evidence would be and they dummie up or they give you such inane responses that you have to step back and realize that you might really be talking to the wrong person.

Most truthers simply want a real investigation, not a whitewash like the 911 Commission Report. Where laws have been broken we want charges laid.

Suggestions for charges? Rudy Giuliani, obstruction of justice. Christy Todd Whitman, criminal negligence. Larry Silverstein, insurance fraud.

reply to post by Skyfloating

I agree with you.

Pulling an ideology like Zionism into the argument is not helpful. Keep in mind that the ex-PM quoted is from Italy. I suspect that comments that we might consider borderline "anti-semitic" in North America pass more easily in the European context.

Also, the Italians have a reputation for speaking their minds, whatever the consequences. A couple of years ago Silvio Berlusconi got into hot water for saying words to the effect that Islam was a barbaric medieval institution.

Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
reply to post by Haroki

 

Everyone admits the volume of trades was unusually high. I also find it interesting that people frequently use the off-topic excuse when they're losing the argument.

911research.wtc7.net...

Yes, I admit, your superior debating ability has me flustered. And the use of such a nonbiased source like 911research is totally unimpeachable. I mean a source like the SEC should be totally disregarded.

You have defeated me.

All hail King Jim !!!

PS - can't believe I let you bait me into replying, but apparently you're a master at it.....

Originally posted by Haroki
PS - can't believe I let you bait me into replying, but apparently you're a master at it.....

I have years of MK-ULTRA training to thank for that (no I don't)

"open your mind, oooopppeeennn your mind, oooooppeeen your mind..."

reply to post by Haroki


OK, but seriously, it's not as if that CT site is saying that you have to take their word by itself for their assertion that the volume of put options a few days before 9/11 was 25 times higher than usual. They cite the mainstream publication Operations Research/Management Science Today which also caught this trend from data published by the venerable Options Clearing Corporation.
The cached article can be viewed here.

We are talking about a guy that knows the dirty secret of Italy, he was in first position for the assasination of Aldo Moro the most well known victim of the Brigate Rosse...(red Brigade which they were actually an asset of the CIA since the comunism was winning in Italy they initiated a campaign of terror throughout Italy). He was the highest politician involved in gladio (formed and financed by the Us intelligence at the time), he knows a lot of stuff. Lately he has been attacked saying he is crazy, no proof will come out from the Video because even if they had them they would shut them down in a second.
He obviously knows a lot about Italy and false flag terrorist attack since he helped the CIA with the campaign of terror during the 70's and early 80's in Italy (research "strage di Bologna").


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reply to post by piacenza


Has he spoken much about Propaganda Due and the Calvi murder? Those are both subjects that I'd like to know more about. NOTE: I do not think the Masons were responsible for the dealings of Propaganda Due! They kicked out the lodge, after all.

quick question for the conspiracy believers

if a head of state came out and said 9/11 was done by AQ, would you just belive it without challenging it ? Would you just accept it and say, "oh well, I guess I was wasting my time." ?

if anything, the conspiracy believers should realize being a head of state doesn't give you credibility in anything, it should actually give you reason to wonder what the agenda is.

is he trying to destablize the US ? Is he trying to take a shot at Isreal ?

reply to post by syrinx high priest


It is very true that this man may in fact have an agenda that is not beneficial to the United States and/or Israel. Nevertheless, his words aren't accepted merely because they are coming out of his mouth like others here have wrongly assumed. So much evidence supports his words and this is why they are believable. IMO, he's just icing on the cake.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Most truthers simply want a real investigation, not a whitewash like the 911 Commission Report. Where laws have been broken we want charges laid.

Suggestions for charges? Rudy Giuliani, obstruction of justice. Christy Todd Whitman, criminal negligence. Larry Silverstein, insurance fraud.

I think a lot of people would be dissatisfied to see even a big cat like Rudy go down for something trivial like obstruction of justice. If there was a crime called "ghoulish capitalization and self aggrandization using the death of others as a springboard" that would be a good one to get him with. Same goes for the others on that list, honestly I do not know who those people are, I'm a brit so the 9/11 fallout news was not given as much scrutiny in this country as in the US. But I am sure the same goes for them. We are talking about the death of hundreds of people. Nailing a select few people who had minimal involvement over technicalities is never going to do the dead any justice.

And yeah the majority of 9/11 conspiracy evidence is sketchy and circumstantial and all that, the only point we're trying to make is that when you have so many pieces of circumstantial evidence it should become more, something which could be useful. An investigation into 9/11 is never going to be independant, so asking for another one which would get results is kinda hopeless.

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