CNN airs story about the Mystery Jet over Washington on 911 today 12/1/07

reply to post by CyberTruth

Actually you should thank Craig.He posted it way before I did.I was caught up in this thread and didn't pay close enough attention.
The kudos belong to Craig.

Well then my thanks to Craig on that find as well though I'm not sold on the fly by theory I do believe the circling white Jet did confuse people on that day.

I still haven't found the ABC report about the Pentagon attack that day but I did find the initial CNN report Link

And the first fox report Here

Both reports come in at 9:42 so that ABC report on the Mystery Plane circling the white house came in before they even knew about the pentagon strike. Also notice that there is no mention in these first reports on the Pentagon fire about a plane crashing into it - So there is no way it could be the same plane that was already being watched flying over the WhiteHouse.

This is just blowing my mind!!


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originally posted by Niall197
Which would mean the E-4B takes off at just about the same time the Pentagon is struck, perhaps a minute or so beforehand. But where does it take off from ? I can't find that anywhere. I'm not a US person and am unfamiliar with air force bases around DC. Where's the most likely place around DC to keep planes such as the E-4B ? And what would the flying time be from that base to DC itself ?

The E4-B seen over Washington took off from Andrews Air Force Base at approximately 9:44 a.m., Andrews Air Force Base is 10 miles southeast of Washington, DC.

The aircraft's flight path was tracked by the U.S. Air Force's 84th R.A.D.E.S. squadron. I'll try to find the video for you and post it.

reply to post by Boone 870


I don't know if you have been paying attention to this thread but it has been pretty well established that the Mystery Jet was over Washington well before this supposed take off time of 9:44am you mention. I really don't see where this take off information is even coming from especially considering that no one in washington will even officially acknowledge that this plane was even there that day.

If there is an "Official" time of take off for this plane of 9:44, I would think that it is inaccurate and perhaps an attempt at misdirection since it does not match up with what was being reported that day.

The time from the article in Niall's post (sometime before 9:37) seems to make a lot more sense then the 9:44 time you mention.

Shortly Before 9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Airborne Command Post Launched from Near Washington An E-4B National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC) takes off from an unspecified airfield outside of Washington, DC. The aircraft, which is carrying civilian and military officials, is launched in order to participate in a pre-scheduled military exercise.

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originally posted by CyberTruth
If there is an "Official" time of take off for this plane, I would think that it is inaccurate and perhaps an attempt at misdirection since it does not match up with what was being reported that day.

What do you consider official? Is the United States Air Force official enough?

I wouldn't consider questionable and inaccurate times from newscast as misdirection, I would consider it misconception.

reply to post by Boone 870


Boone - I mean no disrespect

The time mentioned in Niall's article mentioned a launch time of "shortly before 9:37 am" and he provided a sourceCooperative Research

Could you please at least provide a source for your Official "Airforce" Time of 9:44?

And yes - I am suspicious of an Official time put out after an event that doesn't match the evidence that has thus far been provided on this thread.

reply to post by CyberTruth


I'm looking for the video now. It's been posted on ATS before, but I'm having a hard time finding it.

I believe the video was obtained by John Farmer through a FOIA request and it had the flight path of flight 77, the C-130, and the E4-B. I found the video on an Italian web site but it wouldn't load up for me.

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This one Boone ?

www.youtube.com...
bluecollarrepublican.com...

reply to post by Niall197


Well those radar links really don't clarify anything. There is little mention of specific times, no mention of an E4B unless they are saying the E4B is the same as the -c130.

And even looking at that radar representation - which by the way looks pretty primitive and sketchy in of itself(reminds me of that old missile command arcade game ha) - whatever (c-130 or E4B) took off from that air force base was most certainly in the air over Washington before the Pentagon was hit.

But now this begs the question - If there was an E4b and C-130 flying over washington, during the attack - that could explain the green and blue radar Blips. That leaves no 3rd blip for a supposed 3rd plane to smash into the Pentagon.


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reply to post by Niall197


Those aren't the ones I was thinking of. The one that I recall seeing had a black background and it was mainly of the Washington, DC area. It had a bunch of radar blips all over the screen and they would highlight flight 77, Gopher 06 (C-130), and the E4-B. It also showed the times of takeoff for the C-130 and the E4-B.

I'm going to U2U Caustic Logic about the video, maybe he will remember.

Here's the video I was thinking of. I can't get it to play, maybe I'm just being impatient and not giving it enough time to load. I hope this proves that I'm not delusional!

stage6.com

Thanks for that link,

That offers a fascinating look into the world of air traffic control. There are indeed two aircraft that are recorded taking off from Andrews AFB. The first craft around 9:32 and the second as you maintain at about 9:44. The main problem I have now with Identifying that second air craft with the mysterious White Jet(E4B) is that if you follow the flight path on the radar, it does not make a circle over Washington as eyewitness testimony suggests. The only plane that does clearly make a circle is the the one labeled AA77.

Also interesting is how the flight labeled AA77 and the first flight that takes off from Andrews practically converge at one point. I don't know what to make of that.

There is also another "big problem" I just noticed with that radar video. At about exactly 9:36 the controller says I've got another plane 6 miles east of the white house. And then he says it again. But on the radar there is no plane showing up 6 miles east of the white house. That's very peculiar. What does this mean???? Where is this plane he's talking about????

Also, none seems to be paying attention AA77 and when it disappears from radar, nobody seems to notice!?


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originally posted by CitizenTruth

Thanks for that link,

That offers a fascinating look into the world of air traffic control. There are indeed two aircraft that are recorded taking off from Andrews AFB. The first craft around 9:32 and the second as you maintain at about 9:44. The main problem I have now with Identifying that second air craft with the mysterious White Jet(E4B) is that if you follow the flight path on the radar, it does not make a circle over Washington as eyewitness testimony suggests. The only plane that does clearly make a circle is the the one labeled AA77.

Also interesting is how the flight labeled AA77 and the first flight that takes off from Andrews practically converge at one point. I don't know what to make of that.

You're welcome.

The first aircraft that took off from Andrews was a Minnesota air National Guard C-130 (Gopher 06), the pilot was Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien. He was asked by air traffic control if he could see flight 77 as he was departing the area. There was confusion, at first, as to whether or not it was possible for him to see the American Airlines jet from his location. There are other maps of the flight paths of both aircraft with timestamps showing their proximity to each other.

Regarding the aircraft circling over Washington, DC, I think a lot of people saw it banking and assume that it was circling, when in all actuality it was just banking to the right when it turned to head north.

reply to post by CyberTruth

There is also another "big problem" I just noticed with that radar video. At about exactly 9:36 the controller says I've got another plane 6 miles east of the white house. And then he says it again. But on the radar there is no plane showing up 6 miles east of the white house. That's very peculiar. What does this mean???? Where is this plane he's talking about????

I have no idea. I noticed that also. Remember too, the controllers you hear are from NEADS and not civilian ATC.

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Well it does seem to suggest there was another plane up there at about 9:36 near the Whitehouse - could still definitely be the E4B...


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That's because at the time they only had a faint skin paint of AA77 on the radar screen. Some radar screens may not have even had that much on them. They were so buy trying to track everything else that they may have had a hard time seeing where exactly AA77 was. AA77 was the only flight to turn the transponder off and leave it off. Not all radar stations between where it turned and DC were Primary sites, and if you're using a skin paint to track a plane, and it gets into a cluttered area then it's going to be VERY difficult to track. This radar data was highlighted with the pertinent flights AFTER 9/11, which is how we know that it was AA77, on that day they would have had a faint return on radar, and it would have been very easy to lose track of it.

reply to post by CyberTruth


I'm stumped on that one also. At about 9:49 you can hear a voice say that an airplane hit the Pentagon according to CNN. I wonder what time CNN first reported that an aircraft hit the Pentagon? The mood definitely changed after that.

reply to post by CyberTruth


Then what took off at 0944 from Andrews? The only two planes that we know for certain that took off from there were Gopher 06, and Nightwatch.

reply to post by CyberTruth


I doubt it was the E4-B. Unless the audio is not synchronized with the air traffic display. Maybe the C-130?

reply to post by Boone 870


At any rate,

Unfortunately as usual all the evidence supporting the official story - just when it almost seems to make sense - ends up raising even more questions than it answers! It's so frustrating!

My letter to the Government - "Please just show us a clear picture of AA77 hitting the Pentagon so I can sleep at night again - Arrrggh!!!"


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