Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars

Originally posted by Kazzrip
Well i have no idea as the laws or views in Texas,

Though in Sydney, even when a Cop or Security Guard shoots dead a criminal, they still go on trial, which i think is wrong as it is their job to take them out if they see the need to.

However, it sounds as if this guy was never confronted by the burglars, instead he took it upon himself to confront them and murder them.

As far as i have read they two were armed with a crowbar. lol. in my view this guy is a coward shooting dead 2 people, for stealing some property when he was never in harms way himself.

Have you ever stole anything ??? I bet you have some time in your life, how would you like it if some insane over-protective texan came up and blew yuor head off!

They were not stealing candy from the local store, they broke into somebody's home. This man stepped out to stop them. He had no idea if they had guns on them or not. When somebody breaks into another person's home it is a safe bet they are dangerous.
This guy rightfully shot them in the act.

Considering the amount of crime in the US it is sad that too many people hide and cringe when they witness one. This man witnessed a crime in progress and did something to stop it. He should be commended despite those who cry for psychos that break into people's homes.

Originally posted by roadgravel

It's just a shame that in such a large metro area the police were not able to response sooner. Check in with the San Antonio news, for instance, and you see the killing is daily and almost 100% by crooks and gangs in action. Houston isn't much different. There are old people terrified of their own neighborhood because of what goes on crime wise.

That's because - and most anti-gun people never get this key point - the police investigate crimes, they (for the most part) do not prevent them. Why? There just are never going to be enough police officers available to stop all crimes from happening. Think about this carefully, because if there were enough police officers to stop all crimes, then this would surely be a police state.

That means that unless you are prepared for yourself and family to be potential victims, you must be prepared to defend yourself and family.

Alive or victim (statistic). It's that simple ...

Originally posted by Boondock78

i have no formal firearms training but i hit the range.
at ten feet away(like these guys were), with my taurus i believe i could tag em in the leg. 'maybe' not the first shot but my clip holds 17 and i have 3 of em.
so yeah, i think i could make the shot.

It would be interesting if he shot them in the chest or back. Also with a shotgun I bet a low shot would hit both their legs and their ass at the same time.

reply to post by centurion1211

I agree with you. I live in a rural area and that is how it works. Neighbors help neighbors.

I suspect most city residents feel the police should be there but response times show that it cannot be. Your point about the numbers makes sense. At some point the ratio of law abiding vs non law abiding and sheer area overloads the system.

This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
So I suppose all you bloodlusting right wingers would say it is just fine to EXECUTE burglars? Let's see...if a burglar gets caught why not just execute them before the police arrive? If the burglar goes to court and is found guilty of stealing then just put him in the electric chair..right? You MUST think the death penalty is Ok for stealing...this mad dog killer decided to murder two human beings and found the perfect opportunity to do so. The 9-11 operator told him NOt to go outside but this murderer was having none of that!! He wanted to KILL!!

Then, he killed..and now has to live with himself....but that souldn't be too hard as he has no sould and no conscience...murder plain and simple. Just because a person has the EXCUSE does NOT mean they have the RIGHT. It was WRONG to execute two men for petty thievery. I hope that this guy gets prison time..and has to spend it with a bunch of convicted burglars!!

Lol to funny as a GOA member I am not a cold blooded killer but I also feel this guy was with in his rights to defend his neighbors property over your so called "petty theft" look at the foot ball player that was just shot for trieing to defend his property with a machette.....I bet he thought as you obviously do aswell a "gun grabber".......Also I didnt see you mention any of that crime in your rant about how protecting property should be done peacfully.....Got news for ya theives do not negotiate unless they are at the wrong end of a shot gun.......then they want to negotiate.....

I hope the bleeding hearts lose this one and this guy gets justice for doing the right thing......But in a country where they put cops in jail for busting "illegal alien" drug dealers I wouldnt be surprised if this one would be another slap to the Americans face........

Originally posted by DraconianKing
This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

LMFAO is that all you got???? We all agree with this guy because the 2 guys he shot was black????? You have got to be kidding........BTW you also mentioned for any of us to be test subjects....And you would prove we are haters......Are you saying you are an expert on the art of being a racist????? What it sounds like to me.....I have a suspicion you join all the "La Razza!" marches and cry down with the "illegal pilgrams"....You really need to do better than that the race card is such a weak arguement....

O and for the record I dont care if you are white,black,purple,red,grey,blue etc.....You bust in my house uninvited you will be greeted by a very angry owner of a .45.......Race has nothing to do with it.......

Originally posted by DraconianKing
This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

This guy is right on the money. This redneck saw a free opportunity to kill people and wasn't going to miss it. How do I know?

I heard the tape. The redneck worked himself into a frenzy and repeatedly said he was going to kill them. The operator kept telling him not to, but the dude was ready to blast the burglars. As soon as he saw them leave the house, he said "alright, I gotta go get em," or something to that effect.

I'm pretty sure that once he saw the dudes, he was ready to blow them away. If they were white dudes he probably would have kept the gun on them until the cops came. You could even hear the shotty blasts on the tape.


They say he might get prosecuted, but he smoked some coloreds in Texas, so I duno...

Originally posted by DraconianKing
This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

First the thugs breaking into the home were not black and second your defense of people breaking into people's homes is shocking.

It is true that we don't know the full circumstances of what transpired but from what we do know, he clearly stated on the 911 call his intent was to kill the burglers which I believe was a big mistake, especially after being told not to go outside. Taking someone's life is nothing to be looked at lightly even if it does appear that the law provides for this.

It is incredible how people say that they look out for others and protect their community from criminals, yet for the last 15 or so years the US Constitution has slowly been eroded by legislation, people's rights have disappeared and very few seem to realize, let alone care.


[edit on 3-12-2007 by cams]

Originally posted by Ellen

Originally posted by DraconianKing
This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

First the thugs breaking into the home were not black and second your defense of people breaking into people's homes is shocking.

They were black. Well, they definitely looked black to the killer. I thought they were black, until I saw their last names, which were Spanish. I think they were Dominicans or something.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

It would be interesting if he shot them in the chest or back. Also with a shotgun I bet a low shot would hit both their legs and their ass at the same time.

Another mistaken assumption made by anti-gun people, or people with no knowledge or experience.

If someone has the intent to do violence against you, wounding them in "their legs and their ass" would not stop them from attacking you, and would most likely just serve to make them come after you even more. Stop thinking that a real life gunfight works like you see on TV and the movies.

People hit by a bullet in real life do not fly backwards and fall. Unless they are hit in a very vital area, they still have the capacity to do great bodily harm against you - and they will if given the opportunity.

People, that's why it is called "using deadly force". If it comes to the point where you have to use it, you would be a fool to think, "Oh, well I will just try to wound them a little bit". That kind of thinking will only get you hurt or killed. You need to do what ever it takes to stop them, including killing them. After all, the criminal will have no problem doing the same to you - they won't even stop to think twice about taking your property or life.

So, stop believing criminals have and use the same set of values you do/have. That way of thinking will only make you (and yours) a victim.

[edit on 12/3/2007 by centurion1211]

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The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.



Wow. You have NO clue what you are talking about.

I cant stand criminals no matter what color their skin is.

You cant proove anything. Baseless ridiculous claims.

This guy is right on the money. This redneck saw a free opportunity to kill people and wasn't going to miss it. How do I know?

I heard the tape. The redneck worked himself into a frenzy and repeatedly said he was going to kill them. The operator kept telling him not to, but the dude was ready to blast the burglars. As soon as he saw them leave the house, he said "alright, I gotta go get em," or something to that effect.

I'm pretty sure that once he saw the dudes, he was ready to blow them away. If they were white dudes he probably would have kept the gun on them until the cops came. You could even hear the shotty blasts on the tape.


They say he might get prosecuted, but he smoked some coloreds in Texas, so I duno...






He was right on the money??? What you taking bets??? Funny every time a white cop or just a white civillian does anything to a black it turns into a race issue.....As if blacks do nothing wrong......Looks like a way to discredit blame for their own actions to me.....Got news for ya pal not every white that lives in Teaxas is a racist.....I seem to remember a certain huriicane that took alot of peoples homes of a certain race that needed a place to live and Texas took in alot of them but we dont remember all that it isnt an excuse to discredit any crime which is what alot of those certain individuals brought with them aswell......But all whites in Texas are just rednecks.........

Originally posted by DraconianKing
This guy is a murderer plain and simple. He said that he was going to kill them and he went outside, confronted them and killed them. The law says he can defend his own property but he went looking for trouble outside of the protection of the law. He should have listened to the officer on the phone and waited for the cops to arrive. He could have just written down the plate number of the car and that would have been enough. He would also have been able to identify the burglars so there was no need for what he did. The only reason people support this guy is because the victims are black, anyone who disagrees please let me have you as a research subject for a week. I will prove to you just how much you hate what is different, even if you fail to realize it.

HAHA.. pulling the race card, and it's the wrong race. Classic!

This thread sucks. The generalization of Texas is abhorrent. Texas is huge and true melting pot, not the gun swinging, horse riding dumbasses that Hollywood and #ty European westerns like to portray.

To call us all rednecks is calling yourselves rednecks, because I cannot think of a country on this planet not represented here.


John
A Scot-Irish non-redneck Houstonian.

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Originally posted by whipnet
HAHA.. pulling the race card, and it's the wrong race. Classic!

John, the perps were black skinned but had hispanic names. Probably Dominicans.

I am with you though on the whole "Redneck" business. Just because Mr. Horn is a White Texan and owns a shotgun doesn't make him a Redneck. In fact I think he is a computer consultant of some type. I think most people that call people rednecks don't even know where the word came from.

DTMB

[edit on 4-12-2007 by Dont Taze Me Bro]

reply to post by Dont Taze Me Bro


While I get your meaning, he sounded like a Redneck to me in the call. I grew up in an area that is rather well known for it's high number of rednecks... and the accent aside, he sounded like one to me.

And, yes, I know where the term comes from. It's from hard working people who spend all their time bent over in the fields and usually developed nasty sunburns on the backs of the necks. Thus, "Red Neck" simply means laborer (or more specifically, "farm laborer"). The current meaning is more connected with the fact that these people tended to be rather unskilled and uneducated (or down right ignorant) than with the trade they happened to possess.

reply to post by BitRaiser
Correct. He did sound like a redneck but I think we are too quick to judge people based on accents and such things. Everyone, just about, in that part of Texas sounds like that if they've been there most of their life. But I don't believe Mr. Horn was a farm/field worker.

And some rednecks actually take pride in the nickname...those are the ones that do what they say they will do.

I dont care about those dead robbers, they were scumbags, too lazy to earn what they wanted, they would rather let sombody else earn it then they go and steal it. Thankyou Mr.Horn, theirs now two less.

Originally posted by Dont Taze Me Bro
And some rednecks actually take pride in the nickname...those are the ones that do what they say they will do.

My point, exactly.
He picked up a shotgun, displayed a good deal of ignorance, ignored sound advice, then took pride in blowing a couple people away.

Redneck!


Sorry, in truth I feel that the term is just another continent label to apply in order to avoid dealing with the realities of society. It's kinda silly and not worth debating for anything other than amusement (or if you want to open up a discussion about stupid labels we stick on each other).

I will further comment that while the Texas twang does sound uneducated to my Canadian ear (right up there with the Newfoundland slur), it is strangely stimulating coming from the lips of certain members of the fairer sex. Oh, and it works real well for hardcase military officers.