Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars

And Damocles


Yes I have undertaken firearms training

reply to post by jedimiller


Spare me the racist card, I'm HISPANIC!! The thugs choose to break the law, it was their decision, or are you trying to say that all thieves are hispanic?

Who's the racist here?

Originally posted by AlienADHD
And Damocles


Yes I have undertaken firearms training

When I just got in the military instructors were teaching us weaponry and I ask him the same question, why we are trained to shoot center mass, the point behind my question was that I thought it was better to shoot to the head (yeah I know way too many Hollywood movies), anyways he explain to me that you shoot center mass because like democles says it the largest part of the body increasing your chances to score a hit and inmobilize the enemy.

He didn't mention nothing about blood flow or organs or nothing, furthermore, he explain, that given the caliber or bullets that we used in the battlefield, (talking about M4 and M16) many of the enemy didn't die, so after we shoot them we have to give them medical care, which we do.

Too bad for the scumbags in this case that the guys had a shotgun!

A recap from the original article....

Lambright said Horn had intended to take a look around when he left his house and instead came face to face with the burglars, standing 10 to 12 feet from him in his yard.

Horn is heavyset and middle-aged and would have been no match in a physical confrontation with the two men, who were young and strong, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired in self-defense, he said.

At issue is whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.

He didn't run next door and shoot these men as they exited a window or ran down the street. They were in his yard. Remember the crow bar.

His true intent is still up in the air...

As I shake my head in a mixture of disgust and disbelief. Since when does a simple case of murder merit conversation? There are many more pressing issues to discuss here.

sad

Originally posted by Bunch
Spare me the racist card, I'm HISPANIC!! The thugs choose to break the law, it was their decision, or are you trying to say that all thieves are hispanic?
Who's the racist here?

How is this comment racist?

"what this old billy did was something you'd do on the Hitman videogame. not in real life. I've heard the call and the old folk sounds very, very racist towards Mexican-Americans. He did it for pleasure. thats no hero!"

I have meant to say that he sounds very racists towards illegal immigrants. just an observation on my part and that could have been the motive. I'm not racist at all, having family in mexico myself friend.

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reply to post by AlienADHD


youve taken firearms training and yet you still think its reasonable to aim for one of the smaller parts of the body while its moving and expecting to score a hit? im a reasonably good marksman, i was on my teams combat pistol competition team and ill tell you right now, im aiming for the chest

ok sure its probably easier to score a leg shot with a shotty but my point about the shotty is that it scatters. my shotty had a 2' scatter area with #4 shot at 20yds so if im aiming for the leg how many pellets are going to score and how many are going to hit the abdomin anyway? load with 00 buck and you only got 9 pellets in the shell. so a couple hit. maybe he falls maybe he doesnt. maybe in the time the old guys pumping the action the guy crosses the distance and being all pissed off cuz he got shot procedes to tear the guys throat out.

simply makes more sense to aim for the chest.

This sounds acceptable in Texas...

Case in point, my mother and her commonlaw live in suburban Houston and they were experiencing a rash of break-ins and thefts. One night their dog started barking and they looked outside to see two Mexicans under his truck unbolting the nerf bars. He stepped out the front door of the house with an AR-15, discharched two shots in the air, told them to get on the *snip* ground, hands behind their head. My mother called 911 and when police showed up, these two were on their knees, hands behind their head with him standing there, AR-15 pointed right at the thieves. All the police had to say regarding the firearm use was "It's ok, we got 'em now...thanks".

Where I live on the other hand, I'd be incarcerated for years for simply posessing an AR-15 let alone discharging it in a suburban community.

I'd imagine if he ended up shooting them, it wouldn't have been too much trouble anyways.

Mod Note: Please watch the profanities, masked or not, Thanks!!

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reply to post by jedimiller


My point was that you are trying to use race to polirize the discussion as rasobasi try to did when he try to introduce Islam to it.

As long evidence is presented to the contrary, race has nothing to do with this, this is about people getting killed while breaking the law and a individual that shoot them is under investigation, nothing more.

But even if race is involved, and even being hipanic, I won't feel bad for the scumbags, for all I know those 2 represent what's wrong with our hispanic people.

So, if my nephew came into my room and took my Darth vader figure and I caught him in the act can I shoot his brains out? i'm in California.

reply to post by jedimiller

Star war figures?
Look, I hope the guy gets off, he was doing what he thought was the right thing. What if his house was next?

Let me put it to you in a way you might understand it.
Ok, remember when Spiderman let the bad guy go and and the guy he let go kills his uncle? (in the comic book not the movie, bear with me here)
So if Spidey had tackled the bad guy his uncle would still be alive.
So if Mr. Horn had not shot those guys maybe they would have ran some kid over in their get away vehicle or something and Mr. Horn would have felt responsible.

Originally posted by Dont Taze Me Bro

Let me put it to you in a way you might understand it.
Ok, remember when Spiderman let the bad guy go and and the guy he let go kills his uncle?

I remember it clear as day. Recall that in the end Parker forgives his uncle's killer the sandman. that's why I liked spiderman 3 better than others. He decides not to kill him at the end.

Why the adults are away, the children will play.


Somebody stick a fork in this thread, huh?

reply to post by jedimiller

Buddy, Jedi. dude...ok forget the movie, forget Spidey.

Ok remember in Star Trek, Capt. Kirk decides to let Kahn live and for years all Kahn can do is plan his revenge against Kirk. And eventually he does and kills a bunch of federation citizens? Well if Capt. Kirk had been more like Mr. Horn, Kahn would have had a shotgun up his backside and would have been singin dixie and never bothered Kirk or the Federation ever again.
see? you get it?

Originally posted by phineasJwhoopie
As I shake my head in a mixture of disgust and disbelief. Since when does a simple case of murder merit conversation? There are many more pressing issues to discuss here.

sad

You got to be kidding...

Wow ... just, wow.

I am actually starting to get frightened at how many people on here are saying that these crooks DESERVED to die.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but weren't these 2 guys LEAVING the house when the guy went out there with his shotgun with the intent (as stated by him to the 911 operator) to shoot them?

How is that justifiable? He declared his intent to kill them and then he followed through. And did the 2 robbers deserve it? Of course not. Did they deserve to be punished? Yes. Anyone who commits a crime does, as long as the punishment is beffiting of the crime.

They definately committed a crime, but seriously, they stole property. Material goods that can be gained back in so many different ways. How on God's green earth does this warrent a death sentence?? They were leaving! Had the guy just let them be then no one would have been in any danger and no bloody shotgun rounds would have rung out!

I just can't believe how little regard some of you have for human life. Don't think of these 2 guys as criminals, think of them as HUMANS. Humans who have made mistakes in their lives, as everyone does, some greater than others, and can, at any time, change their ways. Well, could. Any chance of these 2 people bettering themselves has been blown away, quite literally.

I don't care if people call me "right wing" or "liberal". I honestly don't give a flying toss about politics or anything like that, this is just my personal opinion. This guy had the intent to kill, he saw his opportunity leaving along with the crooks, so he took his chance and shot them. Murder.

Forget the "Law of the Land" or any of that BS that justifies lunatics ignoring the law and taking matters into their own hands. These are just excuses for people to make themselves feel better about giving an over-the-top reaction to another persons action.

Although, am I to understand that it is the LAW in Texas that it is okay to use lethal force when protecting other peoples property? Distgusting.

No item in someone's house is worth a human life. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me.

If we hear about someone shooting a person down here, whether defending themselves or otherwise, unless they are a cop then the first thought that comes to mind is "Why the hell did they have a gun??!". I really hope that one day guns are as taboo and dirty to people all over the world as they are to us.

Tomorrow I shall be going to the coast for a week, to walk along our beaches and walk in our streets at any hour of the day or night and feel safe, secure and completely at ease. I will be gone for a week so I will not be able to see any further comments to this thread for 7 days, and as threads go on ATS, in that time this one would have died, so I'll finish with saying while I disagree with oh so many of you on this issue, and it is actually making me scared for the fate of humanity (as if other things going on in this world wasn't already), I still have to respect your opinion and it won't affect any comments I see people make in other completely unrelated threads.

And I'm pretty sure that's the longest sentence I have ever written. Let's here it for the over-use of comma's!

Goodnight all. Remember, say no to guns (oneday?), and please please please, realise that EVERY human life is worth SOMETHING.

well i agree with you on the value of human life. you may not believe me but i do.

the problem is this: not everyone else does. and, until they do, im keepign my guns.

until everyone on the planet feels the way you do about life, and until food is abundant and available to all for free so i never have to worry about the possibility of needing to hunt for survival (sorry, im a carnivore and meat is a necessity) im going to keep my guns.

i DO value human life and i would be loathe to take one, but if its him or me. or its him or my family...or if its him or you...sorry man, its him.

reply to post by Damocles


I cannot possibly disagree with you. Especially the "i DO value human life and i would be loathe to take one, but if its him or me. or its him or my family...or if its him or you...sorry man, its him."

I too would choose to take the life of someone else if they directly threatened the life of another person. (including any of these ATS'ers that I so passionately disagree with). But I have to really point out the LIFE bit there. If they threatened to KILL another person then (I like to think) I would do everything in my power to stop them, including taking their life. But not if they stole from another person.

Infact I am planning on joining the police force, only a few steps away now, and that choice may present itself to me someday soon.

My PERSONAL opinion is that it's sad that you feel the need to have guns in order to feel safe. I would feel quite a bit more unsafe with a gun in my house.

I hate the "fear thy neighbour" mentality some people have. Though I must admit, if my neighbour had a gun, I would fear them too.

[edit on 3-12-2007 by Toy_soldier]

Originally posted by Toy_soldier
Infact I am planning on joining the police force, only a few steps away now, and that choice may present itself to me someday soon.

My PERSONAL opinion is that it's sad that you feel the need to have guns in order to feel safe. I would feel quite a bit more unsafe with a gun in my house.

What will you be doing with your firearm once you join the force. Why would you even want to become a police officer if you are so against force and weapons?

Originally posted by eyewitness86
So I suppose all you bloodlusting right wingers would say it is just fine to EXECUTE burglars?

You know.. I am So tired of people like this.. angry little trolls who run around on message boards spreading their hate of their political opposites like they are some kind of "moral compass" to everyone else.

For all the bitching the left does about the rights hypocrisy,
I think they pretty much corner the market one this one.


So everyone who doesn't feel the shooting was unjust is now a right wing bloodthirsty loon?
Go back to the daily KOS and rant your ignorant generalizations and blanket insults there eh?


You say "EXECUTE" like the guy when on some killing spree in a local Mall or something. Personally I would NOT have shot anyone, I would have called the Police and waited, but that's ME.

If I owned a gun and someone came in my home to rob me, I would most definitely SHOOT them. I wouldn't if it were my neighbor (unless they were calling for help) and you know what.. that makes me a crappy neighbor.

The fact is you don't know what is going to happen in situations like that, the thieves could have come to his house next, could have killed him.
Hell, they could have already killed people in the house.

I know in your world that all criminals (even murderers and rapists) should be released after a 'stern talking to', but in real life these people destroy lives, it isn't just personal property, if you think that is the case you are a sorry excuse for a liberal.

let me throw a blanket generalization out there for you.


Why is it that all liberals care more about animals, plants, trees and criminals more than their fellow man?


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