Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars

reply to post by sigung86


Touche

To be honest I thought you had spelt aspersions correctly

reply to post by sigung86


Liberals? It sure is clear that you have lots of love for them. That they warm your heart. Why not just focus on the case? I don't recall any references to political disposition.

I'm a gun totting Texan, but to me this looks way over the line.

Normally you are in the right when you shoot in defense. The act of someone breaking into your house and stealing is really not a reasonable reason to kill. The fact that an intruder is in your house and you kill out of self-defense and/or fear for your life or anyone else’s life is what is reasonable.

Case in point, you hear sounds in your house and you see an eight year old girl in your house trying to steal your TV. Do you just go ahead and shoot her?

In this “hero” case the problem did not come to this guy for he went to the problem with the outcome already set as to what he was going to do “kill them”. Do you think he killed them out of self-defense and/or fear? I think not.

This sounds like a cranky old bastard who feels he is justified to use his own version of the death penalty as HE sees fit, and that is totally outside any law I know.

If you listen to the audio you can hear that he is prepared to shoot them. He says that hes not gonna let them go... He is certainly pissed that this is happening in this neighborhood. Like I said earlier, I would not want to be on this jury.

reply to post by kleverone


After listening to that, my view of this case remains unchanged. That witness committed murder. He was told to remain in his house several times, he refused and went outside to escalate a case of burglary for the two suspects into a murder case for himself. He was not directly threatened until after he left the safety of his own home. Did he really think that burglars would just wait there for the cops to arrive? Burglars run and cops are trained to deal with fleeing suspects without the use of deadly force. The witness wanted to be a hero and he wanted to kill those two men. He clearly craved a confrontation. He should be sent to prison.

After reading many replys to this thread I leaves me scratching my head. First what have the british army got to do with this rasobasi420? Why is the word racism and redneck being brought into this? Let me tell you something, I can't praise this man as a hero but still won't condemn him to being a murderer. The problem starts with poor legal systems. In assumption as this all it is due to the fact as we dont know all the facts, How do we know that this man had not been robbed in the past or that his community has not been under attack from a lot of robberys lately? This man may have had enough of this and decided to take a stand against it, Not saying he was in the right.
I posted last week about a robbery I had witnessed on BTS and the police turned up during the robbery whilst I was still on the phone with the operator, The getaway car made off without lights on, on the wrong side of a main road and hit another car head on almost killing the innocent member of the public. If the laws were different in the uk then maybe the 4-5 people that walked past would not have turned a blind eye and done nothing, But as the people would probably be thinking "well they will either get a slap on the wrist or 3 months in jail then it will become my problem for being a grass". woul have done something.
In a way I would rather be in the US where I can own a gun instead of being worried that a criminal here in the UK has an illegal weapon that I have no defence against myself.
So to sum up, Use your rights to the fullest, Defend yourself and your comunity. And maybe ,just maybe other criminals will see that its not worth making a few quid robbing homes and people because people will not just stand by and let this happen. And no this does not mean kill every speeder or vandal but when crime comes to a home near you where famalies and/or childre are then that is the time to make that stand.

Originally posted by Areal51
reply to post by kleverone

 

After listening to that, my view of this case remains unchanged. That witness committed murder. He was told to remain in his house several times, he refused and went outside to escalate a case of burglary for the two suspects into a murder case for himself. He was not directly threatened until after he left the safety of his own home. Did he really think that burglars would just wait there for the cops to arrive? Burglars run and cops are trained to deal with fleeing suspects without the use of deadly force. The witness wanted to be a hero and he wanted to kill those two men. He clearly craved a confrontation. He should be sent to prison.

Risking the one line point loss...

You seem awfully intent on being in charge...

Oh... Never mind... Just went over one line...

I''m not really what you would call a right winger... I am what you might call an American... Interested in seeing that everyone gets a fair shake. I am just not, apparently, as bright or literate, or politically saavy as you...

The reason I mention liberals, and lefties, is that very often they are the one's who scream the loudest when no one is doing what they are trying to make everyone do or thinking what they are trying to make everyone think.

If you are a liberal, or a lefty, and not given to trying to impress your views on everyone else... If you are a liberal and a lefty not given to making blanket, oppressive, ironclad, and often shortsighted statements on forums... Then I apologize.

I don't know why people are so quick to call this guy a murderer. Without been there we are in no position to judge what the circumstances were at the time he took his actions, or what he's mind react to the situation.

You never know how you would react to being a victim or a witness to a crime, many people don't want to get involved because of fear of retribution by the thugs, the fact is that we don't know the whole story.

I won't waste a second of my time feeling sorry for this scumbags, but if the shooter acted out of the law then he should be punish accordingly.

But all this nonsense about how this guys deserve a chance, they have it and they lost it.

Can we let go of this thread already?

Originally posted by Longy4eva
A Son isn't classed as a posession, we're talking about things like, you know a microwave, tv etc. You can't put a price on human life, which is why killing someone for a £350 tv can't be right. We'd be stumbling back into the dark ages if we killed people for any crime.

It is property rights, as well as the right to life, that has lifted the world (or at least some nations) out of the dark ages.

And what if the thugs don't steal/destroy a TV or microwave, but the following "capitalistic" possessions:

Seeing-eye dog
Heart pacemaker
Wheelchair
Insulin and needles
Oxygen bottles

I can see how common theft of some items could lead to slow death for the victim!

OK, i am claiming lazy here. I have only read the first page of this thread. So i likely am repeating someone else...but will do so anyway.

In the state of Texas we may have a mentality that supports this type of behavior, and this has earned us an image, but we are still not to do this.

We CAN carry firearms if we are licensed. But to use it on a person you have to prove that you could not reasonably retreat. This man COULD reasonably retreat, so he murdered those two burglars. This is the law, cut and dry. He was warned to not go outside and he did. Deranged indifference at the very least.

Having said that, these guys got what they deserved. Call it karma. But it would have been even more poetic had they been shot in the knees or groin. Leave them to live and ponder their lifes choices.

reply to post by kleverone


Thanks for posting that audio Kleverone.

The cops took over six minutes to arrive on the scene; I suppose they were getting there order of donuts. If that had been England and you had a gun and were threatening to go out and cap a few ass's there would be cops all over the place within 2mins tops.

Sounds like he only bagged one of them thieving scum bags; well good for him as far as I am concerned. I just really hope they don’t press charges against him; he was only protecting his neighbour’s house: dam decent of him.

What a hero.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


As a Texan, I will state you need to review the current Texas firearms laws. What you are stating is not entirely correct.

This man needs to be vindicated. The perps need to be put on notice that housebreaking is a very hazardous way of making a living. We have had numerous such house-breakins in New Orleans. Last month a retired New Orleans policeman was murdered in his home by housebreakers who had assume the home was unoccupied at the time. Last week a similar occurrence took place here on the westbank. Yet again, the perps had assumed the house was unoccupied, only to come upon the homeowner whom they murdered. It's time for the bad guys to die. The wife of one of the perps seemed all outraged that the hero was so anxious to shoot. But not a word about her dead husband's having broken into someone else's house. I am glad those two piles of human debris are dead.
TagsNOLA

The man should be given a civic award. Anybody who decides to break into somebody's home deserves to be shot.
The amount of sympathy shown for these dead criminals is disturbing.

I have a .45 caliber welcome for anyone who breaks into my home. I shoot first and ask questions later.

Frontier Justice or vigilantism should be questioned. Can the average every day citizens word be believed? Would we make the right judgements? What if a kid locked out of their uncle or aunts home after school try to climb thru a window and you never seen them before? I know i've climbed thru my parents home window a couple of times while I was in high school. Can you tell me its ok for me to kill the kid? In this case they may have been found to be burgulars. In another case they could be innocent victims. This is why.........in my opinion we wait for the proper authorities that have been trained to respond accordingly. If our authorities are'nt responding fast enough then that's when we speak up and complain about them not doing their jobs.

I don't think he was right in doing this. Are material possessions really worth two guy\'s lives? No way. I think we need to forget about what we think we know and what we think we own. \'Our Territory\' is not worth taking lives. These guys could have just been stealing to get money to feed their starving families because the system has #ed them over. More compassion should be shown to people like these and maybe if society accepts and provides for them then less crimes will be committed.

Originally posted by PeaceUk
These guys could have just been stealing to get money to feed their starving families because the system has #ed them over. More compassion should be shown to people like these and maybe if society accepts and provides for them then less crimes will be committed.

Genuinely poor people rarely commit crimes. There are also plenty of government social programs (and even private charities). We are not living in the times of "Les Miserables" anymore.

And have you considered that the victims of "these guys" might be poor too? If criminals were mostly motivated by need and/or greed, they would be robbing banks instead, or be involved in credit card scams. There are quite a few evil scum out there, motivated by hatred, cruelty, communism, and the like. What kind of monster would steal the life savings from an old sick man just because he is easy prey?

I'd like to know what the difference between shooting someone for thievery and stoning someone to death for adultery is. Is there a difference? Are we as "backwards" as these Middle Eastern countries we vilify?

[edit on 2-12-2007 by Rasobasi420]