"TEAM ATS" Is in Roswell, New Mexico TODAY, 11/29/2007

reply to post by Smugallo


Thank you for your kind words and your honest thoughts. I do not want you to take my stories at face value. I trust ATS to the point that, if they were to request to post all of my military records, medical records, personal papers, tax returns, and other papers I would freely permit them to do so. The people addressed in the FOIA Documents are real people who experienced real events. These events changed their lives forever. It changed mine. I will not talk of these events any longer as the time really is not right. But the time is approaching. Let no one live in your mind rent free. Search for the truth with an open mind. The documents released on the FIOA Site are documents from government sources and have been legally released. If I come into possession of classified documents that have not been legally released, I have no right to make them public. I would do everything I could to get them released and feel the public has a right to know. But I would have no right to do something, without knowing all the facts, to put my country in arms way. In short, UFO are real and I feel the public has a right to know. Many people have lost their jobs, their families, and even their lives due to having a highly strange UFO experience. We need to put an end to this. In an effort to accomplish this, I was willing to tell my story. However, I have on right to put others in arms way. This is the reason I will no longer tell my story out side of family members and close friend. They, I feel, have a right to know what I must live everyday of my live. My friend, I too would find the stories I tell hard to believe if I had not been there. Once again, thank you for your kindness and honesty.

God Bless

[edit on 16-1-2008 by CLIFFORD STONE]

reply to post by Crakeur


My dear friend, I take no offense. You are one of the few who know what my intentions are and what I wish to accomplish. It is about people and humanity as a whole. My door is aways open any time you are in town.

God Bless

reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE


I'm hoping I'll be back in town real soon Cliff. By the way, thanks for yesterday. No news is good news and with the flurry of activity in Texas, I'm thinking we're still in good shape.


Of course we'll let you know as soon as we do.

reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE


Welcome to ATS Mr Stone
I have a question for you?
Do you feel ET's have been visiting us for thousands of years and had a hand in creating us humans? And in turn we worshipped them as gods! Purely because we didn't understand their technology, it seemed like magic to us!
Aslo what do you feel about Dr Steven Greer? and his (Probably a load of s**t) claim that a G8 nation is going to disclose the truth(what is the truth?) to the public!
Your opinion/facts would be greatly appreciated
Thanks.....
SKUNK(Mark)

reply to post by TheAvenger


I served in the US Army from July 1968 to Feb. 1990. It would appear that you too, served in the US Army. I was at times sent to alleged aircraft crash sites. I regret that, at this time I can not be more responsive. However, I made a promise that I must keep. A man's word must be his bond. Thank you for your kind words.

God Bless

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE

 

I'm hoping I'll be back in town real soon Cliff. By the way, thanks for yesterday. No news is good news and with the flurry of activity in Texas, I'm thinking we're still in good shape.


Of course we'll let you know as soon as we do.

If you guys are headin back to roswell some time, stop by Alamogordo to say hi ^_^

reply to post by SKUNK2


It is my belief that the ET's have been among us for thousands of years. I believe in science, but I do not believe science disproves the existence of God. It only shows and explains how God did his handy work. Yes, even to this day, what technology the ET's possess would appear as magic to us, but it is no more then an advanced technology. I will speak evil of no person or call another person a liar. Truth is many things to different people. Truth, truly is stranger then fiction. Therefore, one person's truth is another person's fiction. Reality is not always what it appears to be. I do not believe, at this time, any one nation is in a position of coming forward with the truth on UFO's. I may totally disagree with one's beliefs, but I would lay down my life for their right to have those beliefs or speak their mind. Thank you for your kind words.

God Bless

reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE


Thanks, again and best to you Mr. Stone

It was Arthur C. Clarke's quote..."Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

You just confirmed it.

Greetings and welcome to you Mr Stone.

I was wondering (out loud on this thread but you can answer here), what's this talk about VG1991?

Thanks for your input, and any help in this matter.

reply to post by senshido

Thank you for you welcome. The best way to respond to your question I believe is with the following quote from a military paper:
QUOTE: In 1991, Jim Scotti, Director of the University of Arizona's Spacewatch telescope found what he believed to be an asteroid. Designated 1991VG (-10 meter diameter), subsequent observations by other instruments found that 1991VG has some extraordinary properties and, according to some astronomers, may not be just another asteroid.
Observations by Richard West and Oliver Hainaut made near the time of 1991 VG's closest Earth approach found that the object had a decidedly non-asteroidal signature. It exhibited very strong and rapid brightness variations that are normally associated with transient specular reflections from the surface of a rotating (shiny metallic or painted) spacecraft.
In addition to its unusual optical properties, it is in a rather unique orbit. Essentially, 1991 VG is in a heliocentric orbit, almost precisely within the Earth's orbit plane and has a very high probability for impacting our planet. In fact, it will pass very close to Earth about every 16.75 years. This means that if the object were natural it could not have been in this orbit very long because the orbit is unstable. It would hit Earth or be ejected in a relatively short period of time. Given that it must have recently entered this orbit, one could wonder where it came from. Scientists are debating two equally improbable possibilities: an old booster stage or early space probe, or an extraterrestrial space probe.
Initially, you might think the first option the more likely; however according to Duncan Steel (Anglo-Australian Observatory and The University of Adelaide) the object does not fit the expected orbits of any known Earth-originating probes or rocket bodies. Since the orbit of 1991VG was accurately determined by observations from Kitt Peak observatory, Steel has been able to project the last time the object encountered the Earth. In its present orbit, that would have been in February 1975. Thus, if the object were an Earth spacecraft it would have had to be launched around that time. Steel has only been able to identify two probes (no rocket bodies) that could possibly fit the scenario: Helios 1 and Venera 9. However, correlation with either of these would require some non-gravitational influence to put them into the observed orbit of 1991VG (such as leaking fuels). In his opinion, the object is not either of these probes. With the known man-made objects accounted for, it would seem we are left with, at least a possibility that the object originated somewhere other than Earth.
The debate over the origins of 1991VG are likely to continue for some time. Short of a rendezvous mission, we won't see it again for several years. The point of this discussion is that 1991VG was found by the Spacewatch telescope; the only system dedicated to finding asteroids and comets in the US. If there are extraterrestrial artifacts orbiting in the vicinity or Earth, a deep space surveillance network such as that proposed herein would greatly increase our probability of finding and recognizing them. END QUOTE

God Bless

Hello Mr. Stone

It's great to see you participating here at ATS!

Pardon me but I noticed you did not really answer Skunk's question about Dr. Steven Greer.

It's no secret that many ATS members, probably the majority, feel that CSETI is a complete scam and Dr. Greer is a sort of "UFO cult leader".

If you don't mind, would you be able to elaborate a bit as to how you originally got involved with Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project?

What specifically was it that convinced you to trust Dr. Greer and work with him, did you do any research into him and CSETI and find them to be legit, or was he simply a charismatic and persuasive guy who talked you into it?

Do you have any insight as to why CSETI are so secretive about what they do, why they have no photos or footage available on the web for the world to see? Is there some sort of good reason for them to keep such a low profile?

reply to post by MrdDstrbr


I appeared at the 2001 press conference at the request of several friends. I realized then, as I do now, my experiences are hard for anyone to believe. If I had not lived the experiences I too would find them hard to believe. That being said, let me state that I am loyal to my God, my family, my friends and Team ATS. Outside of that, I have no ties to any UFO Group or organization. I must be free to state my beliefs, thoughts, and experiences as I see fit. I see no need for secrets, if one is truely succeeding the truth, unless it is required to insure the purity of an end goal. Ideas must be freely exchanged. While you might disagree with the statements of others, that freedom must be there or no truth shall ever be known or come to light. I have always given of my research freely, many times giving documents, books, and videos freely at no charge. I too live from pay check to pay check. The work I am trying to accomplish with the help of ATS is to stop the pain and hurt many UFO Experiencers have long endured. I believe the first step in this endeavor is getting out what the government knows and when did it know it, as well as what the government is not saying. I am of the firm opinion that the posting of the FIOA Documents is a major step to that end. What I or any other person/organization states or believes is not important. The government documents, in my opinion, are very important. They have been ignored far too long. As I have said before, let no one live in your mind rent free. Make sure of all the facts before jumping to any conclusion. I can not judge the intentions of Dr. Greer or CSETI nor should I. I regret my response can be no more then this.

God Bless

Mr. Stone, I am not asking you to cast judgement on Dr. Greer or CSETI, I am only asking what you know of him/them (if anything).

I mean, you have met with him at least once have you not? Surely you're not saying that you got involved with the May 2001 conference without even speaking with Dr. Greer once?

Mr. Stone,

First I’d like to say this is my first ATS post and I’m honored to be addressing it to you. I’ve just recently found out about your work and watched the disclosure briefing interviews and am very impressed with your testimony. Not to mention your courteous and civil responses in this thread, you are truly a class act!

There were two statements in particular made here that caught my attention –

I will not talk of these events any longer as the time really is not right. But the time is approaching.

I do not believe, at this time, any one nation is in a position of coming forward with the truth on UFO's.


I’ve got two questions regarding these quotes –

1. Are you stating that you no longer will discuss the information previously made public through Project Disclosure? Or are you referring to additional information you’ve yet to disclose above and beyond the already public statements?

2. I’d love to understand more about the “time not being right” and if that’s related to political / international stability reasons or that society as a whole is not yet ready to receive the information – and how this also applies to the “any one nation” statement. As a long frustrated individual interested in the UFO subject I frequently struggle with not only the lack of governmental disclosure but also the inability of the average person to look at these issues with an open mind.

Thanks you for your time and all past and future efforts!


[edit on 17-1-2008 by maudeeb]

Do you believe "somethings" going to happen soon..either initiated by us or them? I hope in my lifetime to know for sure if we are alone or not..maybe I'll regret it after it happens as the results may not be good for humanity but still..

reply to post by MrdDstrbr


I apologoize if my reponse was not what you had wished for. I tried to be as responsive as possible. Dr. Greer had tried for several years to get me to come to Washington to be in one of his press conferences. I declined each time as I felt my testimony would do more arm then good. I gave in to the request of several friends in 2001. No, I had not talked to Dr. Greer until my arrival in Washington,D.C. of that year. No, I do not keep up with the work of Dr. Greer or CETI. Therefore, I can not rended any honest opinion of Dr. Greer or CSETI. I regret my misunderstanding and apologize for it. I trust this is a more responsive reply to your questions.

God Bless

reply to post by CLIFFORD STONE


*Yaawn

It's way to early over here, just about time for me to start work



Thanks for your reply Clifford, i mean no disrespect with my last post, i'm glad you understand that.

Erlcome as a permanent member of ATS

reply to post by maudeeb


First thank you for your kind words. What I meant by not talking any more refers to my personal experiences. I feel talking about them, at this time, does more arm then good. There are thousands of documents and it is my prayer that ATS can post all of them. They reflect the historical truth. I have a granddaughter that I love very much. She asked me one day to tell her of my experiences. I did, more then I have told anyone. I showed her things, I have not shown anyone else. Her response to this was, "Grandfather, I want to live a normal life." My response was, "You will. You do not have to mention what we have talked about to anyone. But, with my death you will inherit all my papers, books, notes, documents and computer. You must then decide what to do with them." I feel the ET's themsleves are assisting in the coverup of their existence. They feel the world is not ready to know of their existence. The day the world learns we are not alone in the universe, will be the day that many people will take their own lives, not being able to deal with that truth. Also, what consititutes proof? A landing on the White House lawn? I don't think so. Many would say the government was creating a hoax for whatever purpose. MSM would not want to look foolish, so they would down play the reporting of this event. The day of investigative reporting is dead. The Media now days want you to tell them what to report. They are not able to deal with or interested in reporting the facts when it comes to UFO's. The prove of this is that in the last several years several nations have come forward with evidence that something is going in our skies, only to have this down played by the the world media. Yet, I feel, as does Team ATS, that MSM must be involved to get the world governments to open up and tell what they know. Then and only then, will the world know we are not alone in the universe. I hope this has been responsive to your questions.

God Bless



[edit on 17-1-2008 by CLIFFORD STONE]

Mr Stone, its great to have the chance to speak with you here on ATS. I'm not sure if this has been asked of you as of yet, but what do you feel the most important FOIA document that you have seen in your experience? I'm not looking for a "smokin gun" here, just what, in your opinion is the most impressive.

Thanks for your time

reply to post by jainatorres


The truth could come out tomorrow, but I don't thank so. Even NASA knows the impact of eventually stating they have proof of ET signals from space. The announcement will be well thought out and handle with great care. But, I feel no time table can be reached for the final truth. WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE AND THEY ARE ALREADY AMONG US. We really have nothing to be afraid of. Know this, a culture grows spiritually with its technology or falls victim to that technology. They have grown with it. I know this better then any, as a result of the death of my son. A story that I must tell sometime.

God Bless