This is Why I Think "The Greys" Might Be a Myth...

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

You certainnly base your speculation on that they "evolved", that they're free like us and that they are having minds, and thought patterns like we do.
You are a freak seriously if you compare humanity to those beings.

Humanity is all we know. We are the only "intelligent race" that we have to compare to any other possible race out there. So why wouldn't we expect them to evolve like us? If they did not evolve like us, then that would not be the norm for us, and we would have to somehow understand the way they came to be.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
My research really concluded, that the greys is a species that is certainly not free, that they are mind programmed like we are, just with more intensity.

That is interesting, because my personal research has basically concluded that the Greys do not exist.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
It seems apparent, that they are inhabiting spacecraft all the time.

It does??? How exactly is it apparant that they are inhabiting spacecraft? I have never even seen an alien spacecraft, let alone a "Grey."

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
You can see it like they are a part of the ship itself. They atleast have a controller one, that is guiding the craft through a device that works with the brain directly.

Now it just sounds like you are either making stuff up, or simply quoting people who tell stories about the Greys with no evidence to back them up. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because it is all just a bunch of ridiculous claims in my opinion...

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

You certainnly base your speculation on that they "evolved", that they're free like us and that they are having minds, and thought patterns like we do.
You are a freak seriously if you compare humanity to those beings.

Humanity is all we know. We are the only "intelligent race" that we have to compare to any other possible race out there. So why wouldn't we expect them to evolve like us? If they did not evolve like us, then that would not be the norm for us, and we would have to somehow understand the way they came to be.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
My research really concluded, that the greys is a species that is certainly not free, that they are mind programmed like we are, just with more intensity.

That is interesting, because my personal research has basically concluded that the Greys do not exist.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
It seems apparent, that they are inhabiting spacecraft all the time.

It does??? How exactly is it apparant that they are inhabiting spacecraft? I have never even seen an alien spacecraft, let alone a "Grey."

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
You can see it like they are a part of the ship itself. They atleast have a controller one, that is guiding the craft through a device that works with the brain directly.

Now it just sounds like you are either making stuff up, or simply quoting people who tell stories about the Greys with no evidence to back them up. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because it is all just a bunch of ridiculous claims in my opinion...

Thx for your post.

I am sorry for you that your research didn't conclude that they exist.
I anyway hope you would be able to accept it, if it turned out to be true someday!

It does??? How exactly is it apparant that they are inhabiting spacecraft? I have never even seen an alien spacecraft, let alone a "Grey.

The greys don't digest food like we do, they have no sex organs either ( that one was stated so many times ).
I don't know how their physical system works.
I took some of my knowledege from Colonel Corso's book, he describes the greys that crashed at Roswell which was not a flying disc anyway, he discribed the greys pretty accurate.

Now it just sounds like you are either making stuff up, or simply quoting people who tell stories about the Greys with no evidence to back them up. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because it is all just a bunch of ridiculous claims in my opinion...

Thx for your post.


Get yourself back to the ground.
I spent years with a daily research on all the ET stuff and i looked at so many stories and interviews and programmes etc..
Yet there is no proof! You're absolutely right.
We can not provide a proof at all because we officially are not even allowed to even contact aliens ( it's illegal look it up! ).
Their existence of course is supressed by the government, so what is our option?

There's 2:
Either you see all this stuff, get a laugh about it, and get your standing clear as a nonbeliever ( but in this case you should not talk too loudly ),
or you're going for an indepth research like I did, listen to basically every claim of Alien/UFO and come up with something.

And of course deny deniance

anything is possible, it really is!





[edit on 29-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

I am sorry for you that your research didn't conclude that they exist.
I anyway hope you would be able to accept it, if it turned out to be true someday!

If it turned out to be 100% true, then of course I would be able to accept it. I am already open-minded enough to pretty much accept it right now, but obviously I can't be sure with no real evidence.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
We can not provide a proof at all because we officially are not even allowed to even contact aliens ( it's illegal look it up! ).

If I am not mistaken, that "ET contact law" is no longer law today.

Actually they are different, we just can't tell how. Its a part of growing up. When we are babies we see something different about every animal on earth. However our brain thinks, 'I only need to know what humans look like as they are the only ones I communicate with'. Our ability to see the differences in all animals we lose quite early. I forget the name of the show I saw this on, it was on ABC over here in Aus.

So what am I saying ? Our brains makes it impossible to see the differences. If you spent a few days/months with them you might seem to see differences. Take your pet dog for example We find all dogs/cats unique because we come into contact and communicate to some extent with them on a daily basis.

Originally posted by eRauzed
Actually they are different, we just can't tell how. Its a part of growing up. When we are babies we see something different about every animal on earth. However our brain thinks, 'I only need to know what humans look like as they are the only ones I communicate with'. Our ability to see the differences in all animals we lose quite early.

Which animal species has different facial features amongst itself? When I go outside and see a bunch of squirrels, all of their faces look pretty much exactly the same. When I look at a specific "race" of Dogs, such as Labrador Retrievers, all of their faces seem to look very much the same. If you lined up 20 Bald Eagles next to each other, all of their faces and heads would basically look the same. Where are the differences?

This is not the case at all with humans, and wouldn't you know it, we are the only "intelligent" species on this planet.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by Diplomat]

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

I am sorry for you that your research didn't conclude that they exist.
I anyway hope you would be able to accept it, if it turned out to be true someday!

If it turned out to be 100% true, then of course I would be able to accept it. I am already open-minded enough to pretty much accept it right now, but obviously I can't be sure with no real evidence.

Originally posted by Paul the seeker
We can not provide a proof at all because we officially are not even allowed to even contact aliens ( it's illegal look it up! ).

If I am not mistaken, that "ET contact law" is no longer law today.

Then what is the proof that you require?

Proof for myself enough was that i heard about 100 different people talking either mainly or just aside about the greys, all not interlinked to each other.
Research in the truth pretty much leads one into one direction.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

Then what is the proof that you require?

Proof for myself enough was that i heard about 100 different people talking either mainly or just aside about the greys, all not interlinked to each other.
Research in the truth pretty much leads one into one direction.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

100's of different people also used to tell stories about Dragons, Elves, Witches, Vampires, you name it. Just because lots of people talk about something and make outrageous claims does not make it true as a whole.

Stories from 100's of people about the Greys is not proof at all to me, rather just a "start."

Their technology has caused them extreme radiation problems with genetics which is why they cant reproduce is the main belief. Whose to say that they don' t believe they are beautiful? I'm sure there is such a variety of species living on planets that some look alike and others look so ugly to us that we'd consider them gruesome. Their looks has nothing to do with their advanced civilization- hate to break it to you. What can they do about how they look? I doubt they watch nip/tuck haha.

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Paul the seeker

Then what is the proof that you require?

Proof for myself enough was that i heard about 100 different people talking either mainly or just aside about the greys, all not interlinked to each other.
Research in the truth pretty much leads one into one direction.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

100's of different people also used to tell stories about Dragons, Elves, Witches, Vampires, you name it. Just because lots of people talk about something and make outrageous claims does not make it true as a whole.

Stories from 100's of people about the Greys is not proof at all to me, rather just a "start."

I'd like to tell you just to go out there and do the research on yourself ( which i believe you haven't done so much if i look at your horrific reaction to my claims ) I personally think that you are prejudging the grey topic by far.

And if you have the will, read Colonel Corso's book, he tells alot about the greys.

But to be honest, LISTEN to the hilarious claims, how ridiculous it might sound it may lead you somewhere.
Just do it, look at it from all the sides possible. And do not exclude the craziest stuff just in order to get a bigger picture of this.



[edit on 29-11-2007 by Paul the seeker]

Originally posted by MrPenny

I don't think 'greys' are individuals. I think they are an advanced bug.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by MrPenny]

That's interesting, I've heard accounts that the captured/dead aliens that were supposedly found by the U.S. most closely resembled plant life in its cellular composition, including some weird photosynthesis connection, and that an ill alien we had captured from Roswell (maybe?) was nursed by a Botanist! After all other doctors could not help.

Just another thought: I remember somewhere that they had to clone themselves to survive. perfect example. plus, if they are as advanced (telepathic, mind over matter) would they really need to "look" different?

Originally posted by dj05544
Their technology has caused them extreme radiation problems with genetics which is why they cant reproduce is the main belief. Whose to say that they don' t believe they are beautiful? I'm sure there is such a variety of species living on planets that some look alike and others look so ugly to us that we'd consider them gruesome. Their looks has nothing to do with their advanced civilization- hate to break it to you. What can they do about how they look? I doubt they watch nip/tuck haha.

It has nothing to do with perceived "ugliness." The point is, if the intelligent species on our planet (Humans) all have very different and distinct facial features, then why wouldn't other intelligent species be setup in the same way on other planets?

Hey Diplomat,

Interesting theory and question.

Originally posted by Diplomat
Why would an advanced race all look the same?

Out of curiosity why do you think they would not?

As already stated a possibility is that we aren't advanced enough to notice the glaring distinctions between them they easily recognize. It could be on an entirely different level of awareness unknown to us at the current time. Most people have descirbe the same body type but quite often the proportions, coloring, textures and attitudes have really varied.

Just a thought although clearly I'm not really sure either way.

I wonder if a Grey would be offended if I said "You know, you all look alike me. What's up with that?"

Originally posted by Diplomat
...my personal research has basically concluded that the Greys do not exist.

Why are you asking us to comment on the advancement level of something you don't even believe exists?

Sounds like a waste of time on both ends.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma

Out of curiosity why do you think they would not?

I already explained that. I would assume that an intelligent species from another planet would share the concept of "looking different," at least in the facial features, because the only intelligent species we have to reference is our own. So based on the way our species is setup, why wouldn't species from other planets be setup in a similar way?

It doesn't make sense to me that all of their faces would look exactly the same unless there is something going on with them that I as a regular human could not comprehend (which could very well be the case).

Originally posted by lee anoma
Why are you asking us to comment on the advancement level of something you don't even believe exists?

Sounds like a waste of time on both ends.

I don't think I ever said that it is impossible that the Greys exist, I think it is totally possible. I simply am just not convinced yet based on my research. So yes, if I had to pick one or the other, they exist or they don't at this point in time, I would have to say that I don't think they exist. However, I am completely open to the possibility that they could exist.

Sorry I must have missed your explanation of why they wouldn't. Your explanation though is limited to the only visible example we have which is ourselves. It does make it difficult to draw a conclusion on a species as unique as the Greys are claimed to be but it doesn't hurt to try since it's all we are allowed to know.

Originally posted by Diplomat
It doesn't make sense to me that all of their faces would look exactly the same unless there is something going on with them that I as a regular human could not comprehend (which could very well be the case).

That's what I would assume provided they do exist and everyone around the world isn't in on one big lie or deception. I doubt all advanced species (provided they are many and do indeed exist) would be relegated to meeting the level of our current structural diversities as if they are the defining single prototype of the universe. We are relatively advanced but as you said...compared to the animals around us.

I would hope the universe would not be so limited and if the Greys can do as people have claimed then we aren't nearly as advanced as we might think.

I don't think I ever said that it is impossible that the Greys exist, I think it is totally possible.

Oh good.

I thought when you said you'd "concluded they don't exist" it meant "case closed".

Glad you have an open mind about it after all.

reply to post by Diplomat


One word...cloning.

Or perhaps the greys are like worker bees. Maybe there is/are queen(s) and a few drones, but the majority are workers.

Maybe the greys are us after scientists in our near future cracked the genome and started experimenting with human cloning/genetic manipulation in an attempt to enhace the human species.

A theory of mine, based on some others mentioned here and elsewhere, is that the "greys" ...the little beings we see are merely 'vessels' for extradimensional beings who have no form. I'm going to post a thread elaborating on this idea, but I think that when someone said, "Greys are a product of humanity", they may not have been too far off. I think it's possible that they are actually mutated human fetuses. I think they might be kidnapped from their earthly mothers, or perhaps even bred in space, and grown at abnormal rates in some kind of incubation chamber, until they're physically big enough to do various tasks. Or maybe just until their brains are developed enough to hold the alien consciousness.

I'm not saying I believe this, I know it sounds really sci-fi. Has anyone else ever heard something like this? I have no sources for these wild claims, but I'm trying to save the rest of my theory for another thread.

As to how this relates to the OP's question, I think all fetuses look pretty similar, so maybe the 'growth hormone' they use, or whatever the process involves could cause them to develop identically. Also, this theory doesn't exclude the idea that they could be all clones of the original kidnap victim; perhaps certain human DNA makes better EBEs?

I agree with Jacques Vallee's theories on what a good many UFOs are out there (though many UFOs are man-made too) here's quote from an interview:

"The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them."

Vallee thinks UFOs are likely "windows" to other dimensions manipulated by intelligent, often mischievous, always enigmatic beings we have yet to understand.

www.ufoevidence.org...

And the same goes for GREYS in that they are transdimensional beings ... such as one's I've recorded in my ITC experiments:



They are transdimensional beings who are able to manifest physically too.. or in any way they choose where they are able to "manipulate dimensions beyond space and time."


Here's one being I recorded when I had my cam directed to a blank wall in my apartment.





[edit on 29-11-2007 by Palasheea]

Most people don't see differences. That's normal.
Say a caucasian looks at a bunch of people of eastern origin.
He'll barely see a difference, maybe the skin color, if at all.
Now vice versa, the eastern people will think the same about europeans.
The average eye that is.
Genderbased, sure, you make differences but that's all.

Now take this a step further. You would see a specific alien race and think they look all the same while the aliens think that we do. And I'm sure there's also tall, small, fat, skinny aliens within the same race you could figure out too.

The problem is... there's no green men around us... or wait!!! Were they grey??
Damn, I messed that up...

This thread was progressing so nicely. Now, I'm afraid it is quickly headed for the "bin of disdain".

It was a really good discussion Diplomat.