Oak Island Could Give Up It's Secrets Soon!!

For anyone interested in the Oak Island mystery there is some good news regarding the Money Pit. (if you dont know about this mystery www.youtube.com...)

A little background on the 'Money Pit's' recent history.... nothing has happened with exploration of the pit for many years and it's all down to a dispute between the two owners of the land. At first the two owners (Dan Blankenship and David Tobias) spent many years trying to solve the mystery and find the treasure. A disagreement stopped their search and finally Tobias sold his half of the land to 4 Oak Island enthusiasts, last year!!

The good part is that these four guys own the half where the money pit is and now they've been granted the much needed Treasure Licence, allowing them to dig!!! They've teamed up with the owner of the other half of the land and are planning an excavation some time in 08...

Lets hope this time they can succeed where so many have failed in reaching the bottom of this amazing structure.... keep your eyes on this story!!!!!!!!

what if its just a sinkhole

Well you did put the word 'could' in the title, so I can't nit pick I suppose!

Interesting story from that 3 part youtube. Would of been a massive project to put that whole complex underground.

No mention of any carbon dating on the materials brought out to date though - but as this is the very first I have ever heard about this story I have to watch this thread and read more.

Good story

Funny you should mention carbon dating... found this a few weeks back on the web -

www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...

I've read several books on the Oak Island Mystery, & everything always points to some "great unknown." Most recent books point into the direction of the Sinclair family & the Knights Templar's, maybe early 1300's to early 1400's. Now the Geochron Labs test date for the C-14 data indicate a year of 1575. Supposed pirates perhaps?

Whoever it may have been, they were more than smart. They were not your common engineers. They had to have been the best of the crop. They would have had years of combined genius in applied physics & hydrodynamics. That was just to "apply for the job at hand" on Oak Island.

Maybe whoever these brilliant minds were, they were not trying to simply "hide a treasure, which could be retrieved at a later period." Maybe they were hired, conscripted, or forced to accomplish an impossible task for anyone who was privy to the "great mystery."

Perhaps it was a mystery that was too controversial. Too dangerous for any person, whether they were from the 14th, 15th, or 18th c. What would possess the human psyche on such a scale that required a rather large number of very intelligent & physically fit men, to undertake such a massive undertaking?

Upon their completion of the project, there was nothing,... nothing, that remained in written word, nor legend, nor word of mouth, which would indicate the possibility of a "treasure or great mystery." When finished, the project's masters fate was forever. sealed. This was apparently by misfortune, accident, or by self imposed circumstances. The engineers & workmen must have suffered the same fateful end.

As for the stone slab with Coptic writing found at the 90ft. (60 cubits) level, it would seem to indicate that there was Christians involved in this operation. The translation: [The people shall not forget the Lord. To offset the hardships of winter and the onset of plague...the Arif, he shall pray to the Lord.]---IMO I am inclined to believe an interpretation such as follows may apply: "The people [who remain in this world] shall not forget the Lord. To offset the winter & plague[whatever adversity may have occurred & affected a people] the Arif[sub-priest], he shall pray to the Lord."[he was buried within the pit above the metal plate in a perpetual state of implied prayer].

The location of Oak Isle, could be conjectured as about as far away from the the Christian lands as reasonably feasible. Other materials such as gold chain, parchment, oak planks, cedar planks, other metals, etc., are simply artifacts. We do not have enough data to make a determination on these yet. But what's important is the solid metal plate that blocks the extreme lower level of the pit. It could not be penetrated by the auger.

What now remains is the obvious. Whatever lies below the metal plate was not meant to be removed to the world of the living, nor the living to reach it. It is not meant to be disturbed. Unimaginable efforts were taken to make sure that it is not disturbed.

There were certain objects in our past that held unimaginable power. One such object was The Ark of The Covenant. The Templar's were closing in on the Ark within Ethiopia, only a very few short years before they were ordered arrested by Pope Clement & King Philip of France. The Templar's intended to bring the Ark back into Europe & possible challenge the Church. The Ark, however, never left Ethiopia.

At this time I would like to suggest another potential possibility for what may lie buried in the Money Pit. Something that predates history. Something that is ever present in mankind's early development, & yet never specifically written down within the Bible. However this quasi-object is alluded to many times within Genesis. The 6th chapter is one case in point. This object has allowed the transference of beings & things between worlds if you will. It appears again many times in the Book of Revelation. The object is an Abzu. An Abyss. A Star-gate.

Originally posted by II HAL II
Funny you should mention carbon dating... found this a few weeks back on the web -

www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...

That doc gives a date of circa 1575 AD. But does not directly refer to Oak Island case, can you link this further?

Or, someone could email the company that generated the document, for verification purposes.

The company still exists and it seems the current president is a family member of the signator on the document.

I've been involved with this discussion before, so I'd like to direct those interested in some of the goings-on at Oak Island to an earlier thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
for some first and second-hand info. Just saves me typing it out again.

No mention of any carbon dating on the materials brought out to date though - but as this is the very first I have ever heard about this story I have to watch this thread and read more.

they mentioned in wikipedia that they did carbon date some coconut fibers that they found in the soil.. but that was on the beach, well under it I dont know how close it was to the pit.. actually wiki has some good stuff pertaining to this article.. but it is older info, they kinda refered to it maybe haveing something more valuable like the holy grail with of course leads to the knights templar? I may need to follow this further .. hmmm

Originally posted by Now_Then

Originally posted by II HAL II
Funny you should mention carbon dating... found this a few weeks back on the web -

www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...

That doc gives a date of circa 1575 AD. But does not directly refer to Oak Island case, can you link this further?

My personal feeling is that this must have been built by templar's or Masons... Its the only group that would have such knowledge at this time and in this area. I also think the date of 1575 relates well to the 1620 founding of America at Plymouth Rock. There's been a lot written on how America was intended to be set up as the first Masonic lead country by the illuminati (I know it sounds crazy). But it has been proven that the templars were in that area (Oak Island) at that time and also is on the route from Europe to America.

Anyone who knows the story of the templars will know they were supposed to have fled to Scotland from France and established themselves there.... well here's an amazing coinsidence - Nova Scotia (where Oak Island is) = New Scotland (It has a French Scotish link).

Here's a quote from a book review on templars that also puts the templars in this area at this time -

"Few people know that there was a successful expedition to the New World in the 1390s, led by Henry St. Clair and members of the prominant Zeno family of Venice. The trip across the Atlantic is well-documented, and later items that turned up on Oak Island seem to corroborate the presence of Scottish Knights. The St. Clair family, involved in the founding of the Masons, were very wealthy, controlling the Orkney Islands and owning extensive lands in northern Scotland. They may also have controlled the treasure of the Knights Templar, which was never recovered by their enemies. "

I think this link is amazing and whatever is in this pit must be very very important. I also have a worry however... what if the new owners are the masons, what if they know the secret cant be revealed, the masons are powerful people and I cant imagine them just letting this secret out without trying to cover it up or take possession.... who knows? but this is one mystery that has some great physical evidence and must be important because of the efforts of those who built it.

"Few people know that there was a successful expedition to the New World in the 1390s, led by Henry St. Clair and members of the prominant Zeno family of Venice. The trip across the Atlantic is well-documented, and later items that turned up on Oak Island seem to corroborate the presence of Scottish Knights. The St. Clair family, involved in the founding of the Masons, were very wealthy, controlling the Orkney Islands and owning extensive lands in northern Scotland. They may also have controlled the treasure of the Knights Templar, which was never recovered by their enemies. "

If few people know about it how can it have been "well-documented"?

I presume you are talkinga about the materials published in Scoprimento dellas isolas Frislanda, Eslanda, Engronelanda, Estotilanda, et Icaria " Venice, 1558? Or its later English translation, The Voyages of the Venetian Brothers, Nicolo and Antonio Zeno, to the Northern Seas in the 14th Century, comprising the latest known Accounts of the Lost Colony of Greenland, and of the Northmen in America, before Columbus," translated by Richard Henry Major (London, 1873)?


www.bok.hi.is... (this link is not presently working)

It is now known that the narrative was manufactured by the younger Zeno himself not long before the publication of the book, and the same is true of the map. So it does in no way reflect geographical knowledge in the 14th century. We now know that Zeno´s principal sources were Olaus Magnus´ map of the North, the Caerte van Oostland of Cornelis Anthoniszoon, and old maps of the North of the Claudius Clavus type with elements taken from southern sea charts of the 15th and 16th centuries.

Zeno probably put the book and map together for the purpose of giving Venice, the author´s native city, the credit for discovering America more than a century ahead of Columbus. In the bottom left hand corner we see two lands (Estotiland and Drogeo) that perhaps represent the eastern coast of America.

www.famousamericans.net...

reply to post by Hanslune


You have a good point and all I can say is keep an open mind, with your source above, as with my own, are just a single persons take on the situation and to rule anything out without the facts in front of you is not the way.

In the second paragraph (of your source above) it starts with "Veno probably" which isn't a fact just an opinion.

Until we know what's down there its all opinion but what else could it be based on the evidence?

Howdy II Hal II

The pit is an intriguing piece of mystery. I look forward to what might be found. However, I don't believe Zeno or the others you mentioned had anything to do with it.

A complete look at the "voyage" theory is explored at this website

www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk...

Which is a reprint of an article from the New Orkney Antiquarian Journal, vol. 2, 2002.

Hrm, I've spent very little time learning about Oak Isle. It would be odd if there was an abzu down there, but not terribly surprising.

Originally posted by undo
It would be odd if there was an abzu down there, but not terribly surprising.

www.ancientneareast.net...

Just an update on the Oak Island mystery for anyone interested in this..

New Pictures of inside borehole 10X (near the actual money pit).. this borehole is -

"a hole in the ground that went down about 215 feet and is about eight feet in diameter. Borehole 10-X is famous because in August 1971 the diggers lowered a camera into the hole and captured pictures of a hand floating in the water, a pickaxe, beams and a chest"

www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...

I cant make out what they are implying but getting closer to answers anyhow... now they've started looking again.

I've never heard about the Oak Island thing.. looks interesting though, I wounder what is down there??

Maybe soon we will find out.

Just another update for those interested -

They've started digging but not the famous money pit another site a few hundred feet away.

www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk...

I wish they would go for it and dig the actual money pit but at least something is happening I guess.

reply to post by Qwenn


Thanks for your kind words Qwenn, If you are still here and reading can you please U2U me again, I have an idea.