2 Robbers Killed by Homeowner. Third robber charged with murder?

Good for you home-owner. One question, why did you let one escape death? Now there will be a courtroom circus around him.

Oh well, here's hoping the crook gets some heavy jail time.
When the criminal makes his public apology (HA, RIGHT) maybe he will thank the home owner for allowing him to live a bit longer.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Since when do the "reverend" and big gay Al represent the black community?
LOL we hate them as much as you do. These guys got what they deserved. What ever you think these guys deserve we think they deserve worse. Whenever something like this happens we are twice maybe thrice as angry as you whites because
1. we are JUST as angry as you as what they do
2. morons like these keep holding us back
3. when 1 or in this case 3 black guys do something bad it is representative of all of us somehow.

Should I not trust any white guy I see on the street because they might be a serial killer or not trust my kids at school because one of the white teachers might be a pedophile? Better yet I shouldn't trust any white person I see because hey might try to enslave me? I mean if someone was convicted of theft would you employ them? You now with their record and all...
Strangely when I look through history I find no record of blacks trying to conquer Europe or doing anything to give whites a reason to do what they did to blacks throughout history. What did we ever do to you? WTH is wrong with you people? I swear if there is a God...
Also how do blacks in America represent blacks all over the world. Do blacks in the Bahamas dress and act like blacks in America? Do American whites act and dress like Russian Whites? How many black people do you know, personally? Are you basing your opinion of blacks off the media's portrayal of them? The same media that told you weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq? I'm trying to understand. Oh and if you read the article you would realize that this happened in a 97% white community. I doubt the homeowner was targeted because he was white mate. Jeez what kind of person could beat an innocent kid like that? Man this world sickens me more each day.

How about some of you judge people as individuals and stop the madness.
The racism on ATS as of late is sickening I thought most of you were above such displays of ignorance but alas...

Five stars, three cheers, and two thumbs up for the homeowner. The bad guys got what they had coming to them and what they went looking for. No racism here, except on the part of the bad guys who looked for a white man to rob.

reply to post by groingrinder


Probably deserve worse but the race of the homeowner had no bearing on their actions. They would rob him if he was purple lol they're scum. Robbers don't discriminate just like cancer. The community was 97% white so the odds were whoever they robbed would be white mate.

[edit on 16-11-2007 by Elijio]

Originally posted by Elijio
Man this world sickens me more each day.

How about some of you judge people as individuals and stop the madness.

I know that I cut off a huge chunk of your quote, but... Well said!

I agree with the law in this particular situation, and I don't think that anyone needs to "play the race card" with regard to what happened. I'm so tired of race/religion/sexual orientation/etc. mattering so much.

I also agree with whoever it was that posted that they didn't think the wording of the headline was necessary. The races of the victims and the perpetrators should not have been mentioned in the headline. In journalism school (broadcast journalism major) they taught us not to mention race unless it was absolutely necessary to a story, or central to a physical description of someone the police were looking for.

reply to post by Boondock78


Where would you rather have him serve some local medium security country club or a Texas state prison? I can guess that he was trying to cut a deal really bad with your local prosecutor rather than serve in Texas. Your local DA may have held your charges until his time is served in Texas and then prosecute him or he may have been facing a 3rd strike in Texas where he'd get 25 years to life. Many states gladly return fugitives to Texas knowing they face much harsher punishments in Texas than they would locally. One serial killer in Wisconsin gladly confessed to a murder which they had rock solid evidence against him there rather than face a death sentence in Texas. The death sentence is still waiting for him in Texas should Wisconsin ever be foolish to parole him.

Originally posted by crgintx

Where would you rather have him serve some local medium security country club or a Texas state prison?

no, what i wanted was for the guy to do time for breaking into my home and almost killing my folks....would he have killed me to/ don't know...

FACT is, he got away with it.....i don't see what he could not have done time for this, then went to florida..


they sent him to texas for a 'string' or armed robberies...

he gets away with B&E and attempted muder though...

as far as the harsh, bad texas system...

lets do the math. i am 30 and it happened when i was 7 so thats 23 years ago.
i don't know how long it takes for the processes to go through and all that but here it is 23 years later, and he is livin it up in the nice climate of arizona..

there wsa no extradition to face charges after he went to jail in texas...

what are you getting at anyway?
in the end, this dude got away with what he did to my family..

reply to post by Boondock78

I am empathetic to your situation Boondock78. Wish therer were something I could to to ameliorate. Unfortuantely, the law system we have in the US isn't really perfect, but it's still way ahead of what it could have been.

And when you consider that in a number places in the world where your assailanet could have totally gotten away with it, you didn't get off that badly.

I'ae had a couple of incidents like that happen to me. Not nearly as emotional as yours, but still a little misshapened on the justice side. Still, it could hvew been worse, and in this particular incident 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

It just goes to reinforce a theory that Thomas Jefferson (I believe) indicated and I agree... An unarmed man is a subject, an armed man is a citizen.

In California and 11 other states, cannabis is LEGAL medicine, and it should not have even been mentioned ,except for the fact that the thugs were looking to stael medicines as wel as whatever else they could carry off after beating a young man almost to death.

Think of that kid, drooling forever in a wheelchair because some young animals decided to take rather than work. I say hang em high!!

This was a very racial incident. You have three black guys that decided to invade and rob a white guy’s house while doing major bodily harm to his nephew. How can this not be racial? I bet they even drove a good distance until they found a mostly white neighborhood. I think the Rev Al Sharpton needs to head over there and protect this white family since he is the protector of all against racial bias.

Funny how when I told my brother and girlfriend about this incident, I explained it without mentioning anything about the race of the criminals or victims. They both agreed that it was justified to charge the surviving burgler with murder. Race should play no part in how this case plays out. The sad thing is that it will, for sure.

The NAACP and Al Sharpton need to learn to choose their fights wisely and stop trying to make martyrs out of criminals. Otherwise, they are only promoting and perpetuating racial inequality.

[edit on 2007/11/17 by evilod]

"This man had no business killing these boys," Brown said. "They were shot in the back. They had fled."

Wrong... After suffering a violent home break-in which threatened the familys' lives the fact that these violent criminals had their backs turned did not mean that the threat had been eliminated. They could have been turning to draw a concealed pistol or running to the car for a shotgun etc.

The race issue should not have come up in this.

Bottom line... if they wouldn't have committed a violent crime this would not have happened.

Justified self defence under both federal and state constitution.

reply to post by el_madmaster


What i don't understand is why the robber is accuse of murder, it's not him who shot the 2 others!!!

I'm sorry guys who say he( the houseowner) did a good job but you are so STUPID, there is no reason to give death to them, ok sure they beated the stepson and try to rob the house, but where is the point to kill them and in the BACK? for me it's the ownerhouse who have to be accuse of murder, there is absolutly no selfdefense here he was not in danger, he had the gun and they runaway so why kill them???
Then yes i see racism in that case and in a lot of reply from members.
Why don't you say i did a good job because he shot two black men? stop hidding your face.

Also, some say it wasn't a racial crime, but black men robbing a whitman house is racial for them, can you explain to me why, coz i definatly don't follow/understand you.
"i'd like" to see the reverse case, a black men killing 2 white thiefs, just for see.

All this mess for a bit of weed, homegrow guys homegrow!!!!!

good bye amerikkka



[edit on 17-11-2007 by ufopunx]

It was NOT in any way a RACIAL event: The people selected for assualt and robbery in their home were picked for reasons that have nothing to do with the race of the victims. If the perps had been white it would still shake out the same and they would deserve what they got. Brining race into it is a way of trying to make it look like they were shot because they were black and not because they were rampaging vicious thugs with robbery and perhaps killing on their minds: The kid they beat may very wel have died from his injuries and those brutes would not have lost a moments sleep because of it.

They had no mercy and no human kindness in them, and the dead guys now know what it means to face a Holy God. The remaining one should spend the rest of his life in a cell, with pictures of the kid he beat all around him: When he turns his TV on in his cell it should be a live feed to his victims long term care facility, where a young kid with all of life ahead of him now must be fed like a baby..never will he dance, or marry, or do anything like before..and all because a few punks decided to let it all go.

Well, society should let them go as well..totally, and that creep that survived should face a lifetime of regret and repentance just to begin to express remorse. The talking heads from the black community are usually NOT representative of the views of mainstream blacks, who want safety and security a whole lot more than we do, as they live and see the reality all day around them. those phony preachers and politicians are riding on the whirlwinds of the subject of racial discrimination, a very real issue, but they bring it into places where it need not be, and that is a shame: the black community needs responsible voices demanding justice and an end to profiling and harrassment of the people.

I wish they would'nt even report the color of the peopls skin in stories like this: It makes no difference anyway to the facts and all it does is give ammo for radicals to further their own agendas.

reply to post by ufopunx

I'm sorry guys who say he( the houseowner) did a good job but you are so STUPID, there is no reason to give death to them, ok sure they beated the stepson and try to rob the house, but where is the point to kill them and in the BACK?

Im sorry what? I (and a few others) posted the LAW that states WHY the criminal will be charged with murder. THIS IS THE LAW. I am not stupid. Im a Criminal Justice major who has taken criminal law classes, plus I have worked in law enforcement. I know what im talking about.

Go back and read the entire thread, including the posts were we stated what the LAW SAYS. And then come back and tell us who is STUPID ]


Im denying your entire posts, because at best, its ignorant.

[edit on 17-11-2007 by greeneyedleo]

Great job home owner, the two criminals shot dead got what they deserved and the one that ran will get what he deserves. I wish he would of gotten shot dead too, but since he didn't and it was his idea to do the robbery then Murder is right. Plus the law is the law and just because it doesn't get used all the time doesn't mean it can't. Also what's the deal with the media saying "prodomently white neighborhood"? & " three black guys"? The media never fails to start trouble out of nothing. These three criminals could of been Mo, Larry and Curly and I still would of shot them.



[edit on 11/17/2007 by Solarskye]

reply to post by Elijio


Certainly an individuals actions only speak for that individual alone. However, in this day and age you can hardly blame the anti-black sentiment in America. The majority of violent crimes (rape and murder) are committed by black people even though they are a minority group. Its not racist its simply a fact that anybody may observe that whatever community blacks inhabit turns into a crap-hole in 5 to 10 years. This "racism" isn't limited to blacks either; i grew up in west-philly and i'll tell you nobody hates blacks more than the Koreans in their communities, many of whom are first or second generation immigrants. No history of racism or slavery there.

To ufopunx.
Yeah sure, after seeing three thugs beat the life out of a family member whom as far as your concerned at the time could be dead, I would like to see if YOU would not shoot. If you say otherwise you're lying to yourself and everyone else here.

Sounds like maybe you're the racist here for dismissing and being an apologist for a couple of thugs. They god EXACTLY what they deserved. And if had been 3 white meth-head trailer-park trash, I would guarantee you the outcome would be the same. I know because it happens here in Ohio all the time.

And if they had broken into a black family's home and did what they did the outcome would be exactly the same. I know because THAT too happens all the time. And I guarantee you, they would be called for what they are THUGS.

That just goes to show, NEVER try to steal a from a stoner, especially his weed.

[edit on 11/17/2007 by SeeQ]

[edit on 11/17/2007 by SeeQ]

No! If three white thugs broke into a black home it would of been called a racist hate crime. Come on people, when your home is being invaded it doesn't matter what race it is. What matters is protecting your home and family. Race shouldn't be an issue in this crime, but thanks to the media it is.

its called felony rule!
i would never rob somebody house if there not out of town
so they deserve it. but i bet he gone think about it alot while he sittin in his cell

huslte ery day