Russia is getting pissed!

Originally posted by Snake64_009
An empire? Tell me then what this "empire" consists of outside the USA. I would hardly call that an "empire".

Just to name a few... The US, as a single nation, has the worlds largest economy, and accounts for 28% of the worlds GDP. The US constantly uses and is expected to thanklessly use its own resources to solve many of the world's problems. The US has the worlds most prolific military force this world has ever seen, the US leads in every major technological advancement making the US, the undisputed leader in the coming technological revolutions which will largely involve the convergence of nano, bio, information and materials technology. the massive US influence over the entire world, and of course American culture which has grown like a wild fire all over the globe.

The US was not responsible for the downfall of Nazi Germany, It was more the combined powers of the USSR from one side and the UK along with US on the other side. But in my opinion the USSR was more responsible as they managed to push them back fastest and got to Berlin first and THEN the germnas wanted to flea to the other side to surrender to the UK, US etc...

What would russia have done, as well as the UK, without the backing of US industrial base that provided them with the necessary weapons? I agree, the US was not the sole purpose for the downfall of nazi, however, one could argue that the allies would not have been so affective without the US entering the war.

Russia lost many men, and the Russian cold was one of the biggest contributing factors to the russian success against nazi germany.

The downfall of the Soviet Union is a lot more complicated than the US "apparently" bankrupting the USSR. In my opinion the USSR tricked the US a lot. Who knows wether the USSR has TRULY fallen? The current Russian government is establishing its might once again.

The USSR found itself bankrupt did it not?

..Imperial Japan, yes that is one country the US have managed to stop. But then again they did resort to nuclear bombs but still yes they were destroyed.

The atom bomb was one of the main contributing factors used to end WW2.

This is just more prop's being put in place on the NWO stage. Remember the Bushes and the Putins, arm in arm just a short while ago? Didn't it raise questions in your mind? It did mine and I some how knew that the only way for them to succeed is to pit us all against each other again like during the cold war. Its not Russia its Not America, it is the political establishment that is the problem. It is the military industrial complex that is the problem. Without the people backing their insanity and separation tactics, they are useless, and their time is running out. Watch them scramble and squirm, they know the end of the current political establishment is on its last leg. A new world is on the horizon but it is not the one they desperately attempt to push on a tired humanity. Everyone is getting sick of the old ways. The new dawn is just under the horizon.

reply to post by Duskangels

There are many things I like about my country. The government isn't one of them.

If you had to attach a political label to me, I'd say I'm Libertarian, within reason.

Integrity used to be important to Americans. Those of us who still think that way are now in the minority. It's disheartening to see this dream die.

I used to love my country. I don't anymore. Now how do you suppose that happened?

[edit on 11/14/2007 by PrplHrt]

I agree with your post antar, but the notion that Russia would think of using nuclear warheads against the US or any of it's allies would be suicide!

Think about that scenario for a second people! There is no way a country in this day would use a nuclear bomb unless they want equal and total destruction to occur.

This notion of Iran acquiring a nuclear bomb as a true threat is also total nonsense. If they do acquire a nuclear bomb and use it on lets say Israel, they would be decimated from this planet within hours. What is the threat? My take is we want control of the oil in the region and this is just an excuse to go to war with Iran. It's too easy to read between the lines there.

Russia wants the US to back of of an attempt to go to war with their "ALLY" Iran. The statement the general made was just a feeble attempt to make us comply with backing off our pressure on sanctioning Iran. This is just saber rattling here folks. We are not even close to WW3 here.

Doesn't Pakistan have nuclear capability? That is a country in turmoil and one to keep our eyes on now, not Russia.


[edit on 14-11-2007 by Guzzeppi]

Originally posted by silencee

Originally posted by dk3000

I completely agree. Check your references a bit more carefully. Russia doesn't give a darn about what we are doing- they have their own agenda and are not so weak as to be following us around anymore.

Karma is a Beeeyatch!

Look more careful, there areother references. anyway what makes u think Prison Planet is a bad source..

put some real proves why is it so bad and tell what is a good reference then ?
isn't media controlled by government BBC CNN FOX etc
do u expect no lies in those sources ? because it is popular it still does not mean it is right

I completely understand. I was once a big participant of Alex Jones. I have done much research and sadly came to find that he is a special member of Opus Dei and an honorary Jesuit. It killed me when I came across this information. I was devastated and had to start again from scratch. Luckily I have the wherewithal to information and power sources to be a bit more in the know. And on this topic as cruel as it may sound- everyone must do the research for themselves when it comes to trusting people. The information about Alex is out there and it is not hard to locate and it was there long before his successes. A sufficient knowledge of code is required to extract in undeletable dates of postings and it is there that a shocking truth can be found. This information must be found the in the same manner that a teenager pays for his first car- because they will appreciate it far more. There will always be a debunker as well as a conspiracy.

There are many pay per search engines out there that will provide far more than a simple Google search. I found it was money well spent.

I do understand your passion and it is never easy to give up what you have found to be trustworthy. The internet has only been infiltrated- not compromised.

The question you really should be asking is how much do you value the truth and what lengths are you willing to go to find it. Alex Jones has admitted on several occasions to being a fallen man and this information is easily accessed via a Google search.

Look deeper then draw your own conclusions based on your instincts rather than on a passion to survive.

Originally posted by West Coast

Just to name a few... The US, as a single nation, has the worlds largest economy, and accounts for 28% of the worlds GDP. The US constantly uses and is expected to thanklessly use its own resources to solve many of the world's problems. The US has the worlds most prolific military force this world has ever seen, the US leads in every major technological advancement making the US, the undisputed leader in the coming technological revolutions which will largely involve the convergence of nano, bio, information and materials technology. the massive US influence over the entire world, and of course American culture which has grown like a wild fire all over the globe.

That maybe so but that does not make it an empire, check the definition of it and just becuase they are helping others or have a large economy does not make it an empire.

What would russia have done, as well as the UK, without the backing of US industrial base that provided them with the necessary weapons? I agree, the US was not the sole purpose for the downfall of nazi, however, one could argue that the allies would not have been so affective without the US entering the war.

Russia lost many men, and the Russian cold was one of the biggest contributing factors to the russian success against nazi germany.

Russia did lose a lot of men indeed. America did not provide russia with weapons. The NAZI decided to INVADE russia, this WAS the downfall of them becuase only after Russia joined in did they start to lose. IF they did NOT invade Russia what would the outcome have been? Would the allies still have won? I doubt it becuase they lost many men due to attacking Russia. Plus they would not have been fighting 2 fronts if they did not attack Russia making the war easier for them.

The atom bomb was one of the main contributing factors used to end WW2.

Not WW2 but Japan as the germans were defeated on the 8th of May of 1945 before the atom bomb was used.

Now how about an answer to my post regarding whether history lies or not?

[edit on 15/11/2007 by Snake64_009]

[edit on 15/11/2007 by Snake64_009]

Originally posted by Snake64_009
Now how about an answer to my post regarding whether history lies or not?


History never lies! Interpretations of history sometimes do though.

There are many that draw on history to try and determine what will happen today. There is only one thing you can draw upon from history and that is human nature.

With the advent of the new technologies that have been developed in this century it brings forth a "new civilization". New civilizations produce new institutions of power as functions once handled informally become organized, detach as separate power centers, and assert political an cultural dominance.

Civilizations follow a life cycle in which their period of "youth" is marked by vigorous growth and cultural creativity, their period of "adulthood" is marked by the formation of empires, and their period of "decline" is marked by institutional coercion and violence involving those empires.

The US is in the decline period. China although they have been both many times, is in it's youth stage with the advent of new technology. They are my sole worry as we move ahead. Russia is doing it's best to catch up.

Peace,

Guz





[edit on 15-11-2007 by Guzzeppi]

russia couldn't invade a tree house with wth a kalashnikov, and woriing about a modern russia is a litle impractical

Originally posted by captainslowTG
russia couldn't invade a tree house with wth a kalashnikov, and woriing about a modern russia is a litle impractical

your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you!!!

UDPATE:

Gen. Yury Baluyevsky is flying to Brussels later today to discuss with NATO chiefs of staff, among other things, Russia's suspension of its Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) Treaty obligations.

en.rian.ru...

reply to post by PrplHrt


Defensive missiles, the same reason we have troops there. The same reason ex soviet bloc countries are joining NATO. This shield goes up and any hardliners that dream of bringing back the good old USSR are going to have to seriously rethink themselves with the nuke threat option they once had evaporates against a defense system that is getting more and more effective. The real story here is that Putin is upset that all the countries Russia held by force are jumping sides, joining with the very countries that were against them all these years, now he has NATO countries right on his doorstep. Countries who are now our allies that we are obligated to protect. If he sees a defensive shield for these countries as a threat its only because its harder for him to keep the old Kremlin hardliners happy with their dreams for the good old days and plans of reconquest...

I disagree with Putin's militarism as well.

I'm a foolish idealist. The need for this type of chest-thumping should be over by now, but the human race obviously has a long way to go.

No wonder our ET friends aren't interested in operating in the open. Why would they want to play with the animals when they can view them safely from outside the bars?

Originally posted by Guzzeppi
History never lies! Interpretations of history sometimes do though.

There are many that draw on history to try and determine what will happen today. There is only one thing you can draw upon from history and that is human nature.

With the advent of the new technologies that have been developed in this century it brings forth a "new civilization". New civilizations produce new institutions of power as functions once handled informally become organized, detach as separate power centers, and assert political an cultural dominance.

Civilizations follow a life cycle in which their period of "youth" is marked by vigorous growth and cultural creativity, their period of "adulthood" is marked by the formation of empires, and their period of "decline" is marked by institutional coercion and violence involving those empires.

The US is in the decline period. China although they have been both many times, is in it's youth stage with the advent of new technology. They are my sole worry as we move ahead. Russia is doing it's best to catch up.

Peace,

Guz
[edit on 15-11-2007 by Guzzeppi]

What you say makes sense but did you actually even read my post? I was answering west coast in regards to what is the truth. Here is my post:

Originally posted by West Coast

Originally posted by Snake64_009
History does not lie.

Feel free to try and disprove me. (Ironically, you didnt, you just came up with the above tripe)

No, history does not lie. I agree BUT whose version of history? your own version? a certain number of history books version? many accounts are written about certain events and they don't always agree. Even your own version will have been made from your own research, research which will no doubt have been influenced by what you see around you.

[edit on 14/11/2007 by Snake64_009]

[edit on 16/11/2007 by Snake64_009]

Originally posted by PrplHrt
I disagree with Putin's militarism as well.

What about the countries exercising those militarism? just to name a couple: the US and UK.

Putin's militarism seems less harmless than the US right now.....

[edit on 16/11/2007 by Snake64_009]

reply to post by AotearoaSon


Daniel Sheehan recently stated that he's compiled a list of 32 CIA operatives working in the "MEDIA" as reporters, editors and producers... Double Agents. Should be published
sometime soon.

The Banker/Industrial Elitists are doing to America what they had our Military/CIA operatives do to the USSR. Set them up for that BLACK HOLE, the middle and central east,
Afganistan, Iraq and Iran. Russia's leaders attend the Bilderberg meetings, too.

I think you'll agree there are enough arrogant asses in this country to push us into a perpetual war...
against ourselves.

They still believe this is a football game...... WAR IS MONEY... nothing else.

For anyone dismissing dissenting opinions....
Search: Smedley Darlington Butler, Commandant of the US Marines
" WAR IS A RACKET ".

Learn your own HISTORY.

Facts have no agenda.

Best Regards,

reply to post by manbearpig


Until an Asian Union is formed, I do not fear Russia alone. When they day comes that their is a union of China, Russia, and the lot of the socialists over there, then Not only will I fear them, but it may also be time for the North American Union to counter weigh it, even with all it's corruptions.

There were some good points made in this thread. I would like to comment on some issues.

When it comes to history I want to add that USSR was created thanks to Lenin, but the funny thing is that Lenin was sent to Russia and supported financially and politically by the west. So you can thank UK, France, Germany, even US for making Russia the way we know it now. A superpower some would say.

Also Hitler had a similar story. Germany was helped financially with billions between 1933 and 1939 and even during the war. UK and USA gave Germany billions to counter France expansion. Remember that in 1933 Germany had almost no economy. Inflation was huge, no jobs, etc. In 6 years it became a superpower. How was that possible? Say thank you to UK and USA.

Now to get back to our time. We have terrorism. I wonder who created this one. I bet it is not some cave men. Again the West did it. Why? So USA can expand its agenda, Russia now has an excuse to become a neo-superpower, China the same. Russia sells oil at 90+ $ per barrel, of course they support USA. As long as oil is high Russia will get more muscle. They all gain from terrorism, not just USA.

What Iraq-Iran is now was Russia in 1917. A new game, some would say for a new world war. All wars are planned and financed, there is no war without money or political will. And if the NWO conspiracy is true, those guys don't like uneven players when fighting wars. So they need a strong Russia to fight with the west in case of war.

Their final plan? I think the NWO idea is not so far fetched. Why? Well, we have the European Union, the African Union, the Asian Union, and the North American Union. These Unions are all under development and expanding as we speak. Unite these Unions and what we get is a NWO.

Will they start a World War to achieve this? It is hard to know.

I love what Machiavelli said about leaders. In order to be a leader and control people you need to know something they don't. Well, if that Bilderberg group is real, then they are doing exactly what Machiavelli said. When Russian, American and Chinese leaders meet in one Hotel for 3 days to talk no one knows what, then you really start to think that it is silly to see how on "normal media" Russian and American tensions grow. Maybe that is exactly what they want to happen, while in close dors they plan wars and Unions.

Many people hate USA for what it represents now, including me, but I honestly believe that USA is just doing its job to start something much bigger and right now USA gets all the attention.

Its funny. After WWI we had the League of Nations. After WWII we have the United Nations. After WWIII we might get United Earth Federation. It's interesting to see how they pushed this "United" idea after each World War. The War was the excuse for that "United" organism. And if you look closer each World War was desired by all sides. It is not impossible that, after WWIII, we would get an organism that would put and end to nations.

I really do not think these historical events were random. They surely do not seem random. They are all directed to this "United" idea. Before the XVIII century we never had this direction, all states were fighting each other endlessly for centuries. I think they realized that they all need a common goal if there is to accomplish anything.

True peace can only be attained when people are united and they love each other. We were divided for thousands of years, different languages, religions, nations, etc. This division has to end in order to achieve peace. But when you use the divide and conquer method (World War=>United Whatever) you will get many people suffering.

reply to post by Pericle


Strength through unity, unity through faith!

And, divided we fall.

[edit on 17-11-2007 by TheoOne]

I'm from Russia and this is bull. Nobody is getting pissed. Don't listen to that brainwashing crap.
Russia and US are both in the New World Order thing and there is no point for any conflicts. All what they show on News is a show for simple people.