Alien City On Mars? Check This Out!

reply to post by mikesingh

Well, if you ask me for this kind of anomalies, i have to say that i have no idea, but some weeks ago i came accross this image taken near Aram Chaos: there's a formation which is interesting imho;
i know, i doesn't look neither like a temple nor a spaceship, but it's an oddness, at least by the geological point of view.



esamultimedia.esa.int...

esamultimedia.esa.int...

My impression is that it's a semi-buried formation.
I have no idea of what is it. I'm sure that if you take a look to the entire image, you'll find it interesting.





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Suppposing that there are no pictures being hidden and these are the real pictures, one thing does seem to be apparent though: That there is no current civilization living on the surface of mars (at least not similar to what we see as civilization). So if anything its remnants of a lost civilization.

Question to you experts: Where can I find data on taken pictures vs. published pictures?

Mike Singh,

Send me a U2U. I've made you a subaccount on my domain that you can upload images to via FTP and then link them to ATS. that is, if you know how to use FTP and have access to one?

no size restrictions and you can hotlink to your heart's content.

Originally posted by Skyfloating


Question to you experts: Where can I find data on taken pictures vs. published pictures?

Zorgon would be the best to go to for those answers. He's argued this point before, and has done research. However, it may be isolated to individual cases, but if a couple cases or more, show a pattern, then you might be able to arrive at the projected average.

Just to ad in the discussion.
I think this is "strange". But is it natural or artificial?

Original MOC image

Another one I think is strange and worth the discussion.

IMO Its always good to imagine a step further.

Original MOC Image

Originally posted by mikesingh
That means the ESA images are all mud! Make-believe stuff based on some 3D imaging software! So what are NASA and ESA up to? Billion dollar probes with million dollar cameras on board just to see shoddy pics generated by some 3D software? Is this what our great scientists base their analyses on? Was this the way imagery was planned to be got from those probes and processed as false CGIs?

I would like to point that the type of photos that are taken by those missions are those that the scientists want (I hope ), not what the common people want, that is why they usually use the red filter as the primary filter and never use a RGB filter, they use separate filters, and the case of HiRISE they do not even have a Red, a Green and a Blue filter they have a combined Green+Blue one.

The 3D images are just a small (and not the most important) part of the data gathered by the 7 instruments:
- the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC), with near infrared, red, green, blue, nadir, forward, backward and two photometry channels
- the OMEGA Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer (used to analyze the surface composition)
- the SPICAM Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer (uses the light from the stars that are seen through the atmosphere to look for Ozone and water vapour)
- the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (this uses the Sun light to analyze the reaction of the molecules on the atmosphere)
- the ASPERA Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyser (analyzes the effect of the Solar wind on the Mars atmosphere)
- the Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS) (uses the radio communications with Earth to analyze Mars' ionosphere)
- and the MARSIS Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter

With all this data available, 3D images are the less important.

PS: the camera was already developed, it was an adaptation from the original camera built for the failed Russian Mars-96 mission, so it was cheaper, the Russians had already paid for it.

reply to post by Lunica


Hey there Lunica, I saw this last night for the first time in one of your initial threads. And you know, what? I saw it right away. I think its worthy of being in this thread. Good find.

reply to post by geemony



Nice job fabricating things. I had posted in many other threads before this one. Before you go around making up lies, you should do some research.

Of course anytime someone says something isn't a city on mars, we're automatically "the powers that be' or "disinfo agents."

This is why ATS has gone downhill. Total disregard for facts that are presented.

Go ahead, keep worshiping JPEG compression artifacts and make the thread 100 pages long.

Originally posted by undo
Mike Singh,

Send me a U2U. I've made you a subaccount on my domain that you can upload images to via FTP and then link them to ATS. that is, if you know how to use FTP and have access to one?

no size restrictions and you can hotlink to your heart's content.

Thanks Beth. Check your mail bag now.

Darn, I posted some good pics on the previous page and they've gone bust! Yeah! I need to hot link. And what about using FTP?

Thanx and have a nice day!

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Nice pics by both internos and lunica

There's something more than meets the eye here! Let's haul it over a few filters and see what we get!

Cheers!



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Originally posted by ArMaP
I would like to point that the type of photos that are taken by those missions are those that the scientists want (I hope

), not what the common people want.

ArMaP, thanx for the info on the hardware on board.

But why do the scientists want crappy pixelated images? The pics taken by Viking and Mariner seem to be far better than the so called hi res ones being dished out of late! I still feel these are only meant for public consumption, probably hiding the actual terrain features with photographic overlays. Are they thus trying to hide something?

Billion dollar probes, with multi million dollar cameras, and this is what we get? Crappy pixelated/compressed images? Who's fooling whom?

How about the simple $79 software used by GoogleEarth? It can be downloaded onto a personal computer and used to "fly over" city streets, landmarks, buildings, the Eiffel Tower, Big Ben and the pyramids with high-resolution. And now you can even read your car number plates, zooming it into focus from outer space!

Google Earth also has digital elevation model (DEM) data collected by NASA's Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM), to see terrain in 3D.

If we can get this kind of stuff from Google for peanuts, why not from from the billion dollar toys of NASA/ESA?

Just my $0.02!!

I had asked JP Skipper of Mars Anomaly Research for comments about pixelation and compression artefacts on those images. Here’s his reply…


“Mike,

Try pointing out to them the simple truth that the some of the evidence can be very faintly seen in the original image albeit very heavily obscured by layers of image tampering. They should also note that this evidence is under and obscured by intervening layers of image tampering. It was after all this very faintly seen evidence that drew my attention to the crater for more careful examination.

Also, point out to them that .jpeg artifacts like pixelation are mostly right angle geometric patterns that must conform to the underlying base pixel grid. They should note that some of the civilization evidence is rounded in character defying the underlying geometric pixel grid and that much of the evidence crosses across the underlying pixel grid diagonally again defying conforming to the grid.

The .jpeg compression artifact argument is the one most used to deny this evidence but holds no water. Sometimes it is due to having a little bit of graphics knowledge but not quite enough. In other cases it is just a tool of denial psychology and you and I cannot help those practicing that.

Patrick”

Your turn!

Cheers!



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reply to post by Equinox99



Hi Equinox! Darn! I couldn't get to open that vid. Wonder what's up with Disclose TV? Is it possible to get it from You Tube or Google vid?

Cheers!

Originally posted by mikesingh

And what about using FTP?

if you don't have a program to do it,
othis'll work
www.uottawa.ca...

to get access via ftp:

download and install it. double click the icon which
should be on your desktop. when it opens, input the
following

profile name: the name you want to give the site. it's up to you what you want to call it

host name/address: thestargates.com

host type: autodetect

user id: input the login name
i gave ya in your email

password: input the password i
gave ya in your email

make sure
anonymous box is NOT checked, but DO put a check mark in the
Save Pwd box. press apply and okay. once the ftp program has located your folder on my server, then look in the left side of the
ftp program, there will be a window with your hard drive in it. locate the images in that window and select which one(s) you wish to upload , highlight the image name,
press the little arrow in the middle of the ftp program that indicates the direction you wish the information to go. in this case, pointing left to right (upload)

any other questions, see the email i sent you or your u2u

this will be the link location for your images (just append the name of the image you uploaded and wish to link, to the end of it for posting the uploaded images on forums:

thestargates.com/~singh/

if you had an image with the name mars.png, the addy would be
thestargates.com/~singh/mars.png (unless you make separate folders/directories in the ~singh folder).



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reply to post by undo


Thanks a million, Beth! Wow! That's like a bloated instruction manual for building the Saturn V Rocket from scratch!!

Now lemme get hold of some beer, arrange my favourite chair in front of my Panasonic 42" plasma and flip the toggle switch from computer monitor to the big screen mode! And then put my legs up on the coffee table and start deciphering your post from line 1.

Anyways, thanks once again!

Cheers!





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Originally posted by mikesingh

Try pointing out to them the simple truth that the some of the evidence can be very faintly seen in the original image albeit very heavily obscured by layers of image tampering.

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I pointed this out a few posts ago, but nobody seems to have given a damn. In search of the truth it wont do if the attitude is to prove something right or to prove something wrong (the obvious agenda of some here), but to simply LOOK at what is THERE and examine it.

The original photo has an artificial structure on it. If this picture is indeed one of mars, then there is something artificial there...be it human-made or alien-made. There is no way you will get those straight lines under each other in any natural case.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Yeah Sky, that's the point! Unless one shows a clear image like one resembling McCarran International Airport, complete with hangers, tool shop, passenger terminals, and runways, few are going to bite!

Anyway, bash on, regardless! The truth is out there!

Now have a peek at this. Signs of a long gone civilization?


Mariner 9. Image 4209-75.


Artists rendering of the
above image.
Courtesy: Ufologie.

Now I'll eat my Mexican hat if someone says it's .jpeg compression or pixelation!

Cheers!

The planet earth was colonized by MANY STAR RACES in the past.
A percentage of those colonies were brought to earth by Matians when
their planet was losing it's supporting atmosphere, water was being lost, etc. They came to earth to survive. Their previous structures remain, and may still be occupied to this very day.
Possibly in the future, the earth races of today, may be forced to do the same to survive.

KSCVeteran
Clark C. McClelland, ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, Kennedy Space Center, Florida 1958 to 1992
website: www.stargate-chronicles.com
[email protected]

reply to post by KSCVeteran


KSC, check out this thread posted last year. Thought you might be interested. What you'll read is just my theory! Too far out for comfort, what?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh


Another oddity i noticed is in Holden Crater


themis.asu.edu...

Credits:
Christensen, P.R., N.S. Gorelick, G.L. Mehall, and K.C. Murray, THEMIS Public Data Releases, Planetary Data System node, Arizona State University, .

Lunica, good work

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By the way ....

Google Video Link

The television sequence thus released focused on two anomalies. The first was a network of straight lines in the area of the Martian equator; some of the lines were short, some were longer, some were thin, some were wide enough to look like rectangular shapes 'embossed' in the Martian surface. Arranged in rows parallel to each other, the pattern covered an area of some six hundred square kilometers (more than two hundred and thirty quare miles). The anomaly appeared to be far from a natural phenomenon.

The television clip was accompanied by a live comment by Dr. John Becklake of the London Science Museum.

He described the phenomenon as very puzzling, because the pattern seen on the surface of Mars was photographed with the spacecraft's optical camera but with its infrared camera- a camera that takes pictures of objects using the heat that they radiate, and not by the play of light and shadow on them. In other words, the pattern of parallel lines and rectangles covering an area of almost two hundred and fifty square miles was a source of heat radiation. It is so highly unlikely that a natural source of heat radiation (a geyser or a concentration of radioactive minerals under the surface, for example) would create such a perfect geometric pattern. When viewed over and over again, the pattern definitely looks artificial; but as for what it was, the scientist said "I certainly don't know."

According to Boris Bolitsky, science correspondent for Radio Moscow, just before radio contact was lost with Phobos 2, several unusual images were radioed back to Earth, described by the Russian as "Quite remarkable features". A report taken from New Scientist of 8 April 1989, described the following: "The features are either on the Martian surface or in the lower atmosphere. The features are between 20 and 25 kilometers wide and do not resemble any known geological formation. They are spindle - shaped and proving to be intriguing and puzzling."

Since no coordinates for the precise location of this "anomalous feature" have been released publicly, it is impossible to judge its relationship to another puzzling feature on the surface of Mars that can be seen in Mariner 9 frame 4209-75. It is also located in the equatorial area (at longitude 186.4) and has been described as "unusual indentations with radial arms protruding from a central hub" , caused (according to NASA scientists) by the melting and collapse of permafrost layers. The design of the features, bringing to mind the structure of a modern airport with a circular hub from which long structures housing the airplane gates radiate, can be better visualized when the photograph is reversed (showing depressions and protrusions).

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Maria Popovich,

a highly decorated Soviet Test Pilot was one of the first Soviets to personally come to the U.S. with the Phobos 2 UFO Theory. She made some rounds at U.F.O. conventions and had a few speaking engagements before disappearing from the scene.

www.informantnews.com...


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