Pentagon witness states they did not see what hit, were told later was a 757

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
You're going around in circles. I have already addressed this and asked you to address the questions posed to you:

No, you really did not address it. What questions have i not answered?

I gave you the link to my previous post. I'd appreciate an answer.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
How did passengers, verified to have been on Flight 77, mysteriously end up as dead passengers in the Pentagon?

Please explain to us what actually happened to Flight 77. It is your responsibility alone to do that. Otherwise you are just engaging in speculation.

The passengers were identified but there is no evidence they were at the Pentagon.

911research.wtc7.net...

Whether the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon was Flight 77 is the subject of much question and controversy. Human remains of the people onboard Flight 77 were identified at Dover, but there is no public evidence that places the bodies at the Pentagon crash site.

All you are saying then is that you believe there is no evidence Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, or airport personnel are lying about boarding any passengers on Flight 77 the morning of 9/11. How will you resolve your dilemma?

If you don't believe people recovered their bodies from the Pentagon, some still strapped in airline seats, then you are stuck going around in circles. Since you won't answer my repeated question of how you would go about your own investigation, I doubt your sincere interest in the matter.

Since you neither believe the eyewitnesses who saw a large passenger jet hit the Pentagon nor those who recovered the bodies and the wreckage then you can understand why 9/11 conspiracy theories have never gotten anywhere and why you'll continue to around in circles.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

I have spoken with dozens, interviewed many, canvassed for new ones, and heavily analyzed all that have been previously published by plotting their POV's and even documenting their locations with video and images.

One would ask why you haven't rushed to the Attorney General with all of your "evidence".

Originally posted by jthomas
How will you resolve your dilemma?

I have already explained that to you several post back.

I have FOIA request into the following.

FBI
NTSB
NSA (internal request)

I am doing research in several professional and government research sites.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
How will you resolve your dilemma?

I have already explained that to you several post back.

I have FOIA request into the following.

FBI
NTSB
NSA (internal request)

I am doing research in several professional and government research sites.

That begs the question: if you do not accept the preponderance of evidence that show Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, all of it independent of the government; if you have no plausible explanation on how Flight 77 could have passed over the Pentagon and beyond without eyewitnesses so stating; if you cannot explain how it would be plausible to plant dead and burned passengers in the Pentagon unseen by anyone; then what on earth would make you believe any information provided by FOIA requests?

You are not making any sense in this matter. Do you expect information to be forthcoming revealing a dastardly plot on how Flight 77 was made to disappear and how passengers were killed and spirited into the depths of the Pentagon destruction?

Wonders never cease.

I think you need to go back to square one and start over.

Originally posted by jthomas
That begs the question: if you do not accept the preponderance of evidence that show Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, all of it independent of the government; if you have no plausible explanation on how Flight 77 could have passed over the Pentagon and beyond without eyewitnesses so stating; if you cannot explain how it would be plausible to plant dead and burned passengers in the Pentagon unseen by anyone; then what on earth would make you believe any information provided by FOIA requests?

Please show me this so called preponderence of evidence. The physical evidence and the official reports.

Oh wait,,,, thats right the FBI and NTSB have not released any reports on the crime scenes or on the hijackings. So you have no actual evidence.

How do you know the bodies in the Pentagon were passengers?

If you are going to post opinions as facts please provide evidence or its just an opinion.

Please have the courtesy of answering my question.

Originally posted by jthomas
Please have the courtesy of answering my question.

When you have the courtesy to at least do some research before posting a question that is worth answering or debating.

You asked a question about evidence when you have no evidence.

You have no actual evidence of what happened on 9/11. When you show some actual evidence with a question i will be happy to answer it.







[edit on 12-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

I will ask you for a second time to show the courtesy of answering my question concerning matters based on your statements.

Originally posted by jthomas
[I will ask you for a second time to show the courtesy of answering my question concerning matters based on your statements.

When are you going to show the same courtesy to show evidence concerning your statements?

Please ask me what evidence you would like to see when you are able to post evidence also.

The evidence does not support the big plane theory. I wish I could say differently. I really, really do.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
[I will ask you for a second time to show the courtesy of answering my question concerning matters based on your statements.

When are you going to show the same courtesy to show evidence concerning your statements?

Please ask me what evidence you would like to see when you are able to post evidence also.

Everyone deserves a third and last chance. Please show the courtesy of answering my question, a direct question, concerning matters based on your own statements.

I will also ask the administrator to review your responses on this thread.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Why would you do that? You are in law enforcment, you know that evidence is not released in a ongoing criminal investigation. It never has. That would bring about a whole lot of unnecessary complications in the prosecution. But you should know this. Right? So what if the investigation has been ongoing for 6+years. There are other cases that have gone on alot longer. Question for you. If you feel sooooo strongly that the goverment did this, why do you work for them?


[edit on 13-11-2007 by six]

Originally posted by six
Why would you do that? You are in law enforcment, you know that evidence is not released in a ongoing criminal investigation.
[edit on 13-11-2007 by six]

Yes, i was a federal police officer for 12 years. So i know a little bit about crime scenes and how to handle emergency incidents. Is 9/11 still an ongoing investigation?

I also have access to governemt resources and know what documents i should be able to have access to, at least through FOIA requests.

The FBI was done with the crime scene in 5 days after stating it would take 30 days.

Why have we not seen any of the videos or photos released from the FBI?

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

[edit on 13-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Let the record show that Ultima1 once again refuses to answer questions concerning his claims and assertions despite being asked by me three times to address them.

Originally posted by jthomas
Let the record show that Ultima1 once again refuses to answer questions concerning his claims and assertions despite being asked by me three times to address them.

And let the record show the same thing goes for jthomas. I will show evidence when he shows evidence. Also if he would look at any of the threads on here he would see that i do post evidence.







[edit on 14-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas
Let the record show that Ultima1 once again refuses to answer questions concerning his claims and assertions despite being asked by me three times to address them.

And let the record show the same thing goes for jthomas. I will show evidence when he shows evidence. Also if he would look at any of the threads on here he would see that i do post evidence.

[edit on 14-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

I have ask the administrator to review your posts for trolling and deliberate evasions. We'll let him decide.

In the meantime, I suggest you review the rules.

Originally posted by jthomas
In the meantime, I suggest you review the rules.

I guess you missed the evidence i just posted above. I suggest you review the rules also, since you have not posted any evidence.

Ahem

The personal bickering back and forth will kindly STOP.

Perhaps both of you should take a look at the rules eh?

Thanks

FredT, moderator

Let's can the bickering. No further verbal warnings will be given.