Pres. Bush, possible Jail time.

I believe that the 9-11 ' attacks ' were orchestrated by the Cheney cabal and we all KNOW that it was an inside job, so that is TREASON, by ANY definition. Bush KNEW all about the pre-lim work on the affair, and Cheney actually RAN the operation from the Pentagon ( see Norman Mineta's testimony ) so they are traitors. The entire Bush /Cheney cabal is made up of neocon TRAITORS who have sold this nation out for money, no way around it.

WHO made the FBI back off from the pre 9-11 invesigations? Bush. Who made sure that there would be no investigation of 9-11? Bush. And when it finally became necessary to hold hearings, the Bush cabal made usre that there was no evidence presented that could point to their involvement. WHO was interfering with the matter all the way? Bush and company, thats who. It screams out for action, legal action against these traitorous criminals, and yet the Dems are too weak to do anything.

The media is owned and corrupt, the politicians are owned and corrupt, and the people are lazy and dumbed down by repeated lies spewed by the suckers and believers in the official lie who cannot IMAGINE being held captive by a criminal organization like we have now in power. The people hesitate to believe anything that challenges their notions of what is really happening. BUSH IS A TRAITOR WHO DESERVES A TRIAL AND EXECUTION FOR HIS MANY CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE USA.

Cheney is actually worse than Bush, he has a brain and uses it for totally selfish and nefarious purposes. The evil that exudes from Cheney is palpable and telling: you can look at the man and see the sick and twisted and devious thoughts swarming thru his ugly head. He is about MONEY and POWERT and his disgusting old heart has tried to stop a dozen times and taake his filthy soul to the infernal regions, but the doctors keep saving him, only to wreak more havoc on the populations of this planet.

Condi Rice is another sick puppy who makes decent Americans shiver with disgust and trepidation: She represents all that is wrong with this whole gang: The willingness to LIE without compunction or decency. Rice lies like she plays piano, with a natural flair and no conscience. She is the most disgusting example of womanhood I have ever seen. a sick and deadly woman with no soul and no beliefs beyond the marching orders her ' husband ' Bush the decider. She is an awful example of what can happen to a human being when they sell out totally.

If 9-11 was not treasonous enough for you, what about getting rid of habeas corpus? And posse comitatus? What about torture? Never before in American history has there ever been any doubts as to what constitutes torture, until the fool Gonzalez began licking Bushies boots and decided that all the secret programs that are SPYING on average Americans was just peachy and fine...except for all the legal scholars that say otherwise. The visit by Gonzalez to Ashcrofts bedside to get yet another ILLEGAL spying program going, or continuing, was an act of treason in itself.

Bush and Cheney and their gang of neocon/AIPAC traitors will probably never stand before the bar of justice and face charges of murder and conspiracy and profiteering, but they should. Cheney will probably have his black and wicked heart fail before justice can touch him; The only comforting thought there is that God will NO DOUBT send Cheney and Bush and all of his gang to a very fiery and awful destination....they may escape here but they cannot escape eternity and a righteous God. They sneer at that of course as they are all Godless and heathen souls, every one of them, otherwise they could never do the horrible things they have.

For the first time in history, America has been taken from within by a gang of traitorous Americans whose only God is money and whose mantra is power and evil. In a way I almost wish that the entire world, the major players, Russia and China, wouyld send a message to the world: Either demand that Bush and his criminal gang be tried and jailed, or the major powers would launch on us, and mean it. If we think that the Russians and Chinese are going to just sit back and allow Georgies boy and his crime pals to loot the entire world and establish a kingdom on earth that they rule over, they are mistaken.

If we are not very careful, the powers that be might very well decide enough is enoughj and that thery could survive a nuclear attack much better than we could, and jump it off. Rather than allow the Bush cabal to take over all the world and the resources they will attack and mean it. who could blame them? Why should WE pretend to be the good guys when our ' leaders ' are openly corrupt and devious traitors? Most of the worl;d is not as stupid as the average American, nor as trusting in the criminal psychos that rule this nation.

Anyone with even a smattering of brain cells knows that Bush and Cheney and their cohorts are all liars and traitors and thieves and scum. ONLY the blind and intellectually challenged could pssoible believe what they say and believe that they are decent Americans and human beings...they are NOT!! Bush and Cheney are the best examples of how bad it can get: Raw power refusing any and all forms of oversight..hiding and secrecy and obstruction are their tools of the trade.

For one, I wish sincerely that some terrible cancer would attack Cheney and Bush at the same time and render them incapable of further damaging this nation. Since there are no politicians with the guts to do anything about this horror show of an adminsitration, maybe some disease will step in and help us all out. I just hope that the pain and torture for them is as bad or worse than of the innocent victims that have suffered and died over the LIES of the Bu#es.

Bush and Cheney are LIARS, MURDERERS, THIEVES and WORSE!! Only God knows the extent to which they practice their evil but it will not remain a secret forever, someday and I pray soon, the truth will be widely known and even the most fervent and die hard Bush worshippers will be forced to admit that they have been backing a traitor and criminal pretending to be the President.Anyone who thinks that Bush is a decent humanm being is either deluded or not very well read, that for sure.

Notrhing, and I mean nothing, would give me a greater thrill than to see Bush and Cheney dangling from the same rope that they used to hang Saddam after illegally taking his nation and murdering hundreds of thousands of his people..all to grab his oil and the region for further exploitation by the rich guys that they sleep with. It was all a SCAM, and we all know it..all except the blind and deaf and dumb.

reply to post by BlueRaja


I'll use even the most restrictive legal definition of treason:

Levying war or aiding another country or organization against the United States. To wit:

Levying War -
Bush et al was most certainly involved in the attacks of Sept 11th against the citizens of the United States. If directly then he levied war against us.

Affiliating with the enemy -
If Bush et al did not directly plan or participate in the Sept 11th attacks there is at least compelling evidence that efforts to stop the attack were thwarted and delayed thereby allowing it to happen (e.g., Cheney's refusal to intercept, not scrambling interceptors until it was too late).


In a broader sense, swearing an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and then actively participating in activities that violate it (e.g., illegal wars) is a breach of allegiance.

What does he need to do? Drive a tank up Pennsylvania Blvd.?

Originally posted by BlueRaja
With Keith Olbermann and Rosie O'Donnell putting out news and commentary, we can be sure to get unbiased reporting.

so with people like micheal medved and ann coulter were bound to get the truth..or be chastised or martyrd for not accepting it. Religions are a mental disorder, the right is also a mental disorder, liberalism is a mental disorder, im starting to think anything humans do lately becomes a disorder..which is why to many cultures who dont build cities and pave roads that a certain green plant (could it be green tea?) should be used to subdue the natural urges to dominate others with rhetoric, but no law enforcement is a mental disorder too. Thats just me, the big blow hard that i am.

Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by BlueRaja

 

I'll use even the most restrictive legal definition of treason:

Levying war or aiding another country or organization against the United States. To wit:

Levying War -
Bush et al was most certainly involved in the attacks of Sept 11th against the citizens of the United States. If directly then he levied war against us.

Affiliating with the enemy -
If Bush et al did not directly plan or participate in the Sept 11th attacks there is at least compelling evidence that efforts to stop the attack were thwarted and delayed thereby allowing it to happen (e.g., Cheney's refusal to intercept, not scrambling interceptors until it was too late).


In a broader sense, swearing an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and then actively participating in activities that violate it (e.g., illegal wars) is a breach of allegiance.

What does he need to do? Drive a tank up Pennsylvania Blvd.?

- Levying war against the United States, not Levying War. There's an important distinction there.

- It's your opinion that Bush was involved in 9/11, not a fact. There's an important distinction there.

- Revisionist history with regards to intercepts, and orders against- prior to 9/11 the ROE were considerably different with regards to shooting down airliners. There were no other alert aircraft to be scrambled aside from the 14 that were available at that time(thank Clinton, not Cheney for that).

- It's your opinion that the wars are illegal. The President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and is well within his right to use the military if he feels he is protecting America/America's interests. Just because you disagree with his policies doesn't mean they are illegal, or treasonous.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
Bush was involved in 9/11

BTW, I wish people would stop saying this altogether. "Government complicity" should be the term that's used. Also we should stop using "Bush brought down the towers" or "Bush caused 9/11". The terms are overly simplistic to the point of being ridiculous, and they're detrimental to the cause.

GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY


Peace

give him la life sentence, then make Ron Paul president. Oh and make Bush watch those saddam music videos all day..those were funny.

Only joking..or am i? Way to go keith keep up the barage of truth.
I heard the interview on the radio I think about this, wasn't levin fired for asking a question about abortion? Or am I thinking of another reporter?

reply to post by mastermind77


All I expect is intellectual honesty. It is extremely hypocritical to complain about FOX as being biased, and then applaud folks like Keith Olbermann and Rosie O'Donnell's objectivity. The more accurate assertion would be FOX is biased in a way that differs from my world view, and I prefer media sources that are biased towards my way of thinking. If one's world view is left leaning then that's fine, but don't claim that only the right is biased. The reason that FOX even exists is because the vast majority of the media does have a left leaning bias, and FOX is there as a counterbalance. Of course there are those here who feel most any American media is biased too far to the right, so they'll take the word of any media other than an American source, because obviously any source that doesn't bash the USA constantly is obviously a shill for Bush, and not to be trusted.

reply to post by BlueRaja


Rules of Engagement? I'm not talking about shooting anyone down. How about just getting someone in a capable aircraft in the neighborhood to take a peek? There are many, many far more experienced and credentialed professionals than you or I that would disagree with you. Unless some foreign nationals pulled 9/11 off single-handedly there was government complicity. There is no evidence of the former and the governmnet refuses to do a complete and thorough investigation to allow anyone to disprove the latter. Government complicity = treason.

reply to post by Dr Love


The point is that if the case is being made here, why some of you think that Bush should be put in jail, then it can't just be "government complicity." If there was indeed sufficient evidence, then you'd see him prosecuted, though the excuse I'm sure you'll give is that the Democrats are in on it too, and that everyone in the the Federal government has been gotten to. Bush is as popular with today's Democrats as Nixon was in his day. I don't doubt for a second that if any evidence at all existed, they wouldn't hesitate to use it..

Originally posted by eyewitness86


For the first time in history, America has been taken from within by a gang of traitorous Americans whose only God is money and whose mantra is power and evil.

Not the first time..the first was i believe jekyl island and the federal reserve creation in 1913, which annexed america into a system of living on air, the hot air from the internationalist warmongering resource licker.

reply to post by jtma508



A- Do you disagree with the number of alert aircraft that were available on 9/11? If so, what number is the correct number? You do understand that if a plane isn't on alert, it can take considerable time to fuel, arm, and man it, much less give the crew a flight briefing, take off, catch up to a target, etc...

B- You are using your disbelief of terrorists being involved as evidence. That's somewhat circular reasoning, in that you can't really quote yourself as a source. The more accurate description is that the government hasn't released all of the information, not that they haven't looked into what happened. That isn't evidence of complicity either. There's a lot of info that isn't available to the public, as it should be. There is no such thing as the public's absolute right to know everything with regard to national security.

reply to post by BlueRaja


I'm a pilot. I respect fellow pilots. They know more than I do and they know more than you do:

Pilots

Were there ever as many relevant quotes from one movie?

"Treason doth never prosper," wrote an English poet, "What's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." -- JFK

There's your answer BlueRaja.

Peace

reply to post by eyewitness86


Of course there is always the distinct possibility that you are in fact wrong, and that those who disagree with you aren't intellectually challenged. Of course I suspect you'd be unwilling to ever admit to making mistakes with regards to your assumptions, as you're obviously very enlightened compared to the vast majority of the population.

reply to post by jtma508


I didn't see anything with regards to intercepts or lack thereof, and I did see pilots talking about engineering topics(perhaps engineers know more about that, than pilots). Now the question I ask is how many other pilots share different views, and are their views not valid if they aren't in agreement with these pilots?

reply to post by BlueRaja

Robin Hordon – Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor. Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. After leaving the FAA, he had a 12-year career in the field of comedy ending up as artistic coordinator for "Catch A Rising Star" in Harvard Square in Cambridge, MA.
Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio


Article 3/12/07: "When it became clear that there hadn't been a systems failure of any kind on the morning of September 11th, Hordon was certain that something had gone terribly wrong within the upper echelons of authority. A pilot (third level air carrier) as well as an ATC, he is well versed on in-flight emergency protocol. He is also adamant that if these procedures had been followed on 9/11 not one of the hijacked planes would have reached their targets.

"I'm sorry but American 11 should have been intercepted over southwest Connecticut—bang, done deal." ...

The unfathomable delays seen in military action on 9/11 are inconceivable to those who have painstakingly investigated the matter -- and for a man who worked for years keeping air travel over the U.S. safe. ...

"I think we all have to agree that, one way or another, the U.S. military was involved in the attacks. The advantage that Rumsfeld had is that he can classify, reshape, make available, make unavailable any information that he wants, at any time and deny that information to the public for any reason, especially national security."

I am not here to jugde but but I hope in god president bush he wiil be pay for what hes done to this nation and the lies shame of you MR W BUsh

reply to post by jtma508


Your basing this all on a guy who had a career in comedy? Don't you think that did a better job preparing him for what he now does?

If there were orders to standdown, they why haven't we heard any of the military pilots on duty that day say anything about it? Surely one of them would have talked by now.

reply to post by COOL HAND


Are you serious? You're discounting the entire first part of this guy's professional career because he decided to go into a comedy business? Knowing the stress that ATC people are under this makes perfect sense to me. Or farming. Anything to decompress.

And you think active military pilots are going to come out and say something? Look at all the generals who have come out AFTER they retired and called the adminstration out on the war. They didn't say anything while they were active. Why not? Because you don't. Because you imperil yourself and your career. Besides, who can say they haven't? Who can say that any number of anonymous posts on any number of internet forums aren't active military spilling their guts? Just cause no one HAS come forward doesn't mean the 'official' version is true or that they won't come forward in the future.

Look what happened to those active duty guys in Iraq when they gave their perspective on the war in Iraq in that NY Post column. Boom.

reply to post by jtma508


Can you provide the names of the retired Generals who have claimed that 9/11 was an inside job?

As for that guy's claim that intercepts take 10-15 minutes- I'm gonna have to call BS. Perhaps if the intercept was very near the airbase where the alert birds are located. If the aircraft have to fly several hundred miles to intercept, then you can expect it to take considerably longer than 10-15 minutes.