The fall of the Global Elite has begun.

Originally posted by xSMOKING_GUNx

Originally posted by TheInfamousOne
At this point in time around 1912, the Bankers took over America.

Are these? or are these not the very banking families that are now having to dig themselves out of this hole by injecting money back in to the system, in other words; throwing away there money and power by paying the peoples debt for them.

If it works and they can salvage then so be it, but if it doesent then these banks will come crashing down, or at the very least set back and greatly weakend, leaving the families and there global control plans in tatters.

(Thats if the conspiracy theory is true, I know I am not the only one to get sucked in)

It is there intention to create a new monetary system called "The Amero". Have you noticed that Mexico's currency is rising and America's is falling. The Canadian dollar is worth just a little more than ours. Then Mexico is catching up to the US and Canadian level, and when it does, this plays into the bankers hands.

Look up the North American Union Treaty of 2005 that was passed by Bush. With a new currency, the bankers get to start over again. So now they will have the Euro and the Amero. The only other two places next on the list is Africa and Asia.

Sorry, this might have lead you a little off topic but how can you make the same people who determine the value of money go broke? You won't be able to beat them at their own game while they make up the rules.

My Two cents.

[edit on 11/6/2007 by TheInfamousOne]

Originally posted by Drzava
if the elite falls, we all die

who is gonna feed us? who is gonna control the economy?

is the elite fall, another dark age will start.

i do not support the elite, but without the elite ,we are nothing.

LMAO. that's funny.

Would you like me to hold your purse for you too. I could come over at night and spoon feed you if it's getting to be too much trouble.

LMAO.

reply to post by Redge777


not at all.

Yes, if they own stock they deserve a piece of the profit! WHY? because if you sold stock, you share ownership. I can't believe you do not know that. Investors, or shareholders, own the companies they buy stock in. Once you go public you no longer own your company, unless you own 50.01%. But you still owe the shareholders a piece of the profit. Some people.......just can;t teach them anything.



[edit on 6-11-2007 by traderonwallst]

reply to post by NWRHINO


Please......even EBAY can be manipulated. I have never bought or sold anything htere, but I have a friend who does. He has his friends bid up things he sells all the time.

Nothing is perfect, but I think we here in America have about the best system in the world.

if the elite falls, we all die who is gonna feed us? who is gonna control the economy? is the elite fall, another dark age will start. i do not support the elite, but without the elite ,we are nothing.

This has to be the weakest statement I have ever heard.

If the elite falls, we all die who is going to feed us? I will feed myself like I have for most of my life!!!!

Who is going to control the economy? The public, that way things get done according to public opinion rather then a few stuck up individuals controlling everything and doing what is best for them rather then what is best for the rest of us.

If the Elite fall, another dark age will start. Why on earth would you think something like this. The Elite have nothing to do with another dark age starting should some of them lose their wealth and power.

Without the elite we are nothing. Speak for yourself man, that is the single most pessimistic thing I have ever heard. I am a country boy, ever heard the song "A country boy can survive"? I can grow my own food and smoke

Some of the posts in THIS thread seem to add a little more relevance to this discussion.

Regards xS_Gx

i find interesting with all the posts here, that people rely so heavily on this system of living today. i would honestly call the world 9save the smart people) a bunch of ti**y sucking pansies. The mother being not earth anymore but the elite owners of your mentalities whom you feed off daily. Remember in the past, when people lived in villages, the men would hunt, the women would cook and they live in huts..but you say "whatever" and look for the easiest path.

im not saying we need to revert, just keep doing what we do but not for the scum of the earth. Because A: its not within reason to make one man uber rich, while we spend our lives in servatude to his every whim annoyingly, and stay in an 'income bracket" which is counterintuitive.
B: While in that mentality other forces such as government forces take advantage of your innactions and ignorance and move in to dominate, look at america, selling out ports for example, china becoming a high industrial nation, mexico outsourcing. I mean for americans to think that mexico and china have respect..is obsurd and in the end folly. These are two examples of our future failures. Want more? The elite are selfish morons, and in the end bring failure for the world. The geneticly modified plants are a great example of the beginnings of the end. If i were the king of the world, i would string up ADM and other manufacturures of these abominations and have them mocked in the streets for months.

Originally posted by traderonwallst
Merrill and CitiGroup are no more run by families than the local deli is run by the Mafia.

Sure they aren't but who owns the stock and who are they related to or conspiring with?

These are publicly traded companies. Their down fall will lead to pain by many.

There is ALWAYS pain for very many and i suggest that OUR tax money that will bail out those banks are only used to pay out accounts up to a certain amount to ensure that WE are not made to pay for the crimes of the super rich who's policies creates these very situations. The reason they even dare to do this is because they know that people like you will claim that we must 'protect' the small guy by refunding the bad loans and investments of corporations.

Many individuals hold these stocks in their own portfolios, 401K's and mutual Funds.

S go look at the audited books ( oh wait, 'we' don't trust Arthur Anderson and his friends anymore) and lets pay out all private money up to say 2 million dollars with the rest being simply written off as the bad investments they were? Why should the tax payers pay AGAIN to refund the super wealthy?

You seek their destruction, you seek the destruction of your neighbors, friends and even family members smart enough to invest in their futures.

You must think we are all ignorant to buy into this type of emotional arguments. There are ways to avoid hurting those that really can't take the pain.

The downfall of these companies will lead to the downfall of economies.

Not likely but perpetually making good their lost monies from the public treasuries are going to impoverish MILLIONS anyways. Maybe it's time some banks do fold with the state only reimbursing those that had no idea and wont have food on the table as result.

Why do sao many people want to see the little guy suffer so much pain and heartache, when the local stores fail due to suffering economies?

Why do you want to force the little guy to pay off the big banks bad investments and loans? What do you have against regular people?

Reagan was right......its about trickle down economics.

If you change the 'down' to 'up' that's what we saw happening and what many prominent economist predicted and many knew would result.

Ok time to shoot the messenger, I am big boy I can take it.

Fire away!

A big very badly informed boy at that.

Originally posted by traderonwallst
OK smart guy.

Lets do away with credit then. Lets see how far the economy gets then.

Why do we need credit? Can you explain why we need a central banks to starts the credit cycle? Why can't government print their own money and feed it into the economy in their efforts to smoothen the exchange of actual goods? Why do we have tax policies that allows people to gather up so much money that they can start loaning it out?

Are they supposed to lend you money at no charge?

Where do they get all that money in the first place? Why can they loan out ten ( depending on what you believe twenty of thirty ) times as much money as they actually got from their clients?

Take all the risk, get no reward?

What risks? They are mostly bailed out by governments to protect corporations from suffering losses?

I am sick and tired of everyone wanting something for nothing!!!!!!

That's why i don't like banks and capitalists in general. Why should they want MY labour and intelligence in exchange for 'credit' or money that comes from nowhere? I am sick of getting ripped off...

Thats not the American way!!!!!! At least it never was.

And you think speculating against currencies and moving funds around the world is American? Why don't more Americans do what you do then? Right.....

Originally posted by traderonwallst
Sorry, but capitalism is what let democracy work in this country

Capitalism has done it's best to destroy the inherent democratic tendencies of humanity but it is slowly losing it's grip as we are becoming more aware and better organized.

Countries throughout history have tried one or the other and failed.

Sure alternative systems have failed by who have the US and empires trough the ages gotten involved in the destruction of these experiments? If they were bound to fail why not just leave them alone instead of raising doubts as to how sure you were by actively attempting to destroy them?

Capitalism allows a person to move up on the food chain, it allows people to take risk and be rewarded.

Capitalism does allow that but small fish don't often manage to eat big fish and if you start at the bottom your unlikely to avoid getting eaten whole. Sure it allows people to take risks ( like living isn't one) but it always allows them to fail horribly with little recourse to all the funds they have fed into the state system over the years.

It promotes ideas and invention. I think what we need is more capitalism.....that and a flat tax rate.!!!!

Capitalism destroys ideas and inventions that do not yield profits or might lead to profits being lost and i think we should do away with capitalism entirely. Unless we create a system where people are rewarded for their contribution to bettering themselves, humanity and our planet we are not doing the best wen can and hundreds of millions of us will continue to pay the ultimate price of a early grave.

Flat taxes are fine as long as the very wealthy are charged exponentially more for everything they buy. Since i do not believe that the very wealthy wont be able to hire intelligent people to escape paying even their 'flat' taxes i just have no faith in anything but progressive taxes where the hardest working part of society actually get back some of the money that were taken from them in exploitative fashion.

Stellar

Oh come on. Banks and other megacorps hire and fire people on a daily basis. They'll just hire someone else. The loss of one person in businesses that span the globe isn't going to make one bit of a difference.

No matter how much you'd like it to.

Raf

Why do we need money anyway? People used to live without it before, why not again. I would prefer the age old barter system myself. It just seems more honest to me. I actually think trading one service or product for another gives a person a better feeling of accomplishment than just tossing money around for mass produced products. As for needing a government to maintain infrastructure is not necessary either. People have been building thier own homes and communities, and maintaining them long before there were ever governments.

DTA

I hope the people who are predicting a bleak future to the present world elite may be wrong. Why? Because it took 2 world wars to take the British Empire down, with millions of innocent lives lost. If you believe that for USA, as a successor of the British Empire (the analogy is historically exact: the role USA plays in South America, Middle East, Africa, etc) it would need the same, or a rather higher, amount of suffering, pain, misery and destruction, when it finally breaks under foreign competition, it's easy to see that it'll only relinquish its predominance (the collaborative pair China/Russia comes to my mind) after a devastating catastrophe, maybe the end of the world as we know it!

2012 anyone?

THe economic "gap" is larger than ever and it's going to keep increasing till another collapse in the stock market. The global elites are probably people like Gates and many aristocrats of the US Congress. AMerica itself is a global elite, so what if it's in debt? Countries, other than China, are scared to ask for amends or dues. The gap is wider and deeper than ever, wealth is what determines social status nowadays and wealth is absolute power.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by die_another_day]

Originally posted by traderonwallst
not at all.

Yes, if they own stock they deserve a piece of the profit! WHY? because if you sold stock, you share ownership. I can't believe you do not know that. Investors, or shareholders, own the companies they buy stock in. Once you go public you no longer own your company, unless you own 50.01%. But you still owe the shareholders a piece of the profit. Some people.......just can;t teach them anything.

Ownership is defined by laws. Those laws were written by guess who, ... yup thats right.

My point is not to argue our current system of ownership, it is to point out where it is wrong.

I understand our system, do you understand how it is a vehicle to move money to those with money and who maintain that system.

Capitalism is needed to give a reward/punishment incentive to production. Socialism is needed to restrict the effects of capitalism which is consolidation of weath and power. Child labor laws, work place safety, monopoly busting, and Union protection are all socialist programs to restrain capitalism.

As far as understanding why owners of shares get a proffit from the work of another person, your point only stands if the original money they have was earned by them. If it was given to them by the accident of birth, or from money earning money, then they did not earn it, and do not own the shares of stock because of any act of worth. They earn it by the system in place, a system we can choose to modify if we first understand it.

Originally posted by Raf_50
Oh come on. Banks and other megacorps hire and fire people on a daily basis. They'll just hire someone else. The loss of one person in businesses that span the globe isn't going to make one bit of a difference.
No matter how much you'd like it be

If the CEO is fired and jailed for corruptions, or the peasants use there group influence to adequately serve justice to a criminal CEO. Then the next CEO will think twice before doing the same thing.

If he does repeat the actions, that person can be removed from the ability to exert control also.

The argument that one does not matter is the thing we are always told, a single person choosing to speak or act in love against the laws of tyranny is very powerful. And groups of people are made up of lots of single people. The individual is the most powerful thing in the world.

If a Bank CEO was robbing old ladies pensions, that one CEO removed from power would be very important to 100's of future victims.


[edit on 6-11-2007 by Redge777]

To those who think they have no power because they are just a single person. Think of all the things you set out to accomplish and did. Have you ever completed a project at home? Did you treat friends and neighbors with respect. Did you achieve goals and reach accomplishments you were told were suppose to be important also?

Find what is important to you, and you can achieve that also, you must only chose to speak and be the person you have always been. It is only the direction and goals that determine your effect, not your ability.

You have all the power you choose to grasp!

How about there being a bit of personal reponsibility here? Yes, the subprime fiasco is a mess. And even though the banks were a bit lenient, it all comes down to a lot of people taking on more debt than they could actually afford.

When we purchased our home, every one of the mortgage companies qualified us for loans in excess of $300,000. We looked at our budget and decided that we didn't want to be owned by a house payment and took a simple 20 yr loan for $150,000.

At what point does one become..."Elite"...anyway? Is there a dollar figure? I'm no Bill Gates, but I've got a decent job and we do all right. I no more want the Bill Gates of this world to fold than I want myself to fold. It does neither of us any good.

I've never understood this abiding hatred of people who worked hard and made successful businesses.

Raf

Originally posted by Raf_50
And even though the banks were a bit lenient, it all comes down to a lot of people taking on more debt than they could actually afford.

I disagree, the most blame should fall on the credit companies, for making credit into some type of fast-food like commodity. according to my parents, there was a point in time when anyone couldn't just get credit.

Now they issue credit cards to dogs, people in comas, etc. honestly, credit ads are pure false advertising, and if it were done by anyone other than big business with stockholders, it would be called loansharking / extortion / something else nasty and totally illegal and unethical.

reply to post by StellarX


You speak utter nonsense.

I wish I could live in your world, it must be nice not understanding how any thing in the real world works.

Stupid does what stupid is told to do.

I read all your responses, you say the same thing, just differently. All I hear is poor me, poor me......poor, poor me. Everyone is against me.

Me thinks you need to grow up a bit and understand that the real world is a mean a nasty place. You have to work. You do not need credit you are right. Lets see you buy everything cash. Good luck buddy.

By the way, when you say a flat tax is fine as long as the rich pay a much higher rate (???) what the hell are you trying to say? Don;t you realize the rich consume a hell of a lot more than you and I. Therefore they will pay more. There is no reason to tax them at a higher rate, they will do that themselves. Thats what makes a flat tax work.

Stupid does as stupid is told.

reply to post by Raf_50


RAF-

your gonna run into a lot of that on here..... For someone, people think anyone with more than themselves is rich or elite. Socialism ideals are so rampant on some of these threads that I have considered not posting anymore. These ideals are held by people who are closed minded and see things only one way.

Its probably the reason most of them are in the position they are in. Looking up at others, wishing they could tear them down.

Originally posted by traderonwallst
You speak utter nonsense.

Maybe i am but who will know until you make specific counter claims?

I wish I could live in your world, it must be nice not understanding how any thing in the real world works.

Ditto but i am glad i do not take part in yours.

Stupid does what stupid is told to do.

That's why i want you to look at what you are in fact doing...

I read all your responses, you say the same thing, just differently. All I hear is poor me, poor me......poor, poor me. Everyone is against me.

99.99% of the world population is on my side and we are struggling against that tiny minority that do not seem to share many interests with us.

Me thinks you need to grow up a bit and understand that the real world is a mean a nasty place.

The system that are currently being maintained is a mean nasty one but as is evident by daily activities only a few gain by it while the vast majority struggle to destroy it.

You have to work. You do not need credit you are right. Lets see you buy everything cash. Good luck buddy.

People do not mind working but they do expect a living wage and since goods must still exchange hands everything will just become more affordable leading to more productivity everywhere.

By the way, when you say a flat tax is fine as long as the rich pay a much higher rate (???) what the hell are you trying to say?

I am trying to say that a flat tax is meaningless when the rich tend to find ways to get out of paying even that.

Don;t you realize the rich consume a hell of a lot more than you and I. Therefore they will pay more.

So we are going to take 14% or whatever it might be for the luxury items they 'consume'? Who cares about 14% or 50% when they got rich by impoverishing millions?

There is no reason to tax them at a higher rate, they will do that themselves.

So why don't we see it happening?

Thats what makes a flat tax work.

Stupid does as stupid is told.

I can see that you know the propaganda well but are as misinformed as to the truth as most around here.
Just keep telling me what my Tv set keeps telling me day in and day out; maybe you have more success in making me once again believe some of that nonsense!

Stellar

[edit on 7-11-2007 by StellarX]