So does water contain memory or not? 2 opposing scientific views...

Savagedseb

Originally posted by savageseb
the two sources you cited do not talk in the single least about intermolecular energy transactions or hydrogen transactions whithing various h20 molecules, therefore you couldnt even begin to understand what i mean when i talk of gluons.

I admit it's a few decades since I was at university (studying physics) and I don't pretend to know much about it any more, but I still know enough to say with confidence that when you talk of gluons, you talk through your hat.

Go follow the links on those pages, O Savage Perforated One. There's even a (fairly respectful) treatment of 'water memory' to be found.

Of course, the trick is to recognize these things when you see them...

they still got longs ways to go.

Yes, poor old real-world scientists, forced to crawl along beneath their burdens of necessary transparency, peer review, replicability, falsifiability and the rest -- to say nothing of the endless shortage of funding that brings their caravan to a halt at every turn. How they must envy the cranks and pseudoscientists their speedy, lightfooted leaps from conjecture to conclusion.

Still, for your information, that site pretty much sums up everything physicists know about water.

And it is, apparently, rather a lot more than you know, because you said...

hydrogen bonds have been long discovered, but not intermolecular hyrdogen bonds. they have been largely put in question till 1998(not 1999)

And you are wrong. Hopelessly, hilariously, pants-wettingly, irredeemably wrong.

Imprimis: hydrogen bonds are mainly intermolecular. Intramolecular hydgrogen bonds exist only within complex long-chain organic molecules. They are the special case; the intermolecular bond is the general one. So much so that many definitions omit the intramolecular case altogether.

In chemistry, a hydrogen bond is a type of attractive intermolecular force that exists between two partial electric charges of opposite polarity.

Ednformatics

Secundus: intermolecular hydrogen bonds were known about and understood since the nineteenth century.

Although the term hydrogen bond has only emerged after 1930 (Pauling, Huggins), the general idea of a weak, yet specific interaction involving hydrides is much older. E.g., W. Nernst discussed dimeric association of molecules with hydroxyl groups in 1891

www.hbond.de...

and water being a good solvent, has nothing to do with what i am talking about.

That's what you think.

This subject could be related to homeopathic medicine-as its supporters believe that the water retains a "memory" of the substances which are dissolved in the water(and then diluted many times until there is no measurable trace of the original substance).
I don't buy it myself,but many find homeopathy helpful-weather thats a placebo effect is up for discussion.

Since water retains memory in some way and since stone, concrete, buildings, walls, soil contains certain amounts of water as well, it means that any old building (natural or man-built, a rock, a mountain, a hill, a castle, a wooden structure, a tree etc.) that have any amount of moisture (water) in them also retain (old) memories. Since the form of the water "crystals" in its structure varies individually, thus it is possible to "see" "ghosts" coming out of walls in some cases, although I can't explain it in the scientific language. Same should apply to the local "climate" where moisture in the air should contain not only bacteria and mold, but also memories. I would call it a SOUL OF A PLACE (SOUL OF A STRUCTURE/OBJECT).