NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure

Originally posted by JimO
“Mr. Oberg did NOT have permission from NBC to send that as their representative.”

Bob has a hard time with English comprehension. He made up the claim that I posed as an “NBC science reporter”. A ‘consultant’ to an organization is not a ‘representative’ of that organization, and in this case, I was checking out the credentials of Johnston on behalf of a request from an NBC client in the features department. Bob has exchanged emails with the MSNBC website, and since they are not interested in a story, he has concluded – and is reporting as a fact – that NOBODY at NBC was ever interested in this subject.

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rhw:

Copies from Mr. Boyle's emails:

Alan Boyle (MSNBC-JV)
Monday, November 12, 2007 12:14 PM
Dear Robert: Jim is employed by NBC News as an analyst on a consultant basis – basically a freelance vendor - and not on a full-time basis. He has other interests and other clients in addition to his work for NBC and msnbc.com, and this is one of those other interests. He isn’t pursuing this discussion in response to an assignment from msnbc.com, and his comments don’t make that implication. The most relevant comment in the material you cite would be his observation that “all material I obtain is usable for them or other clients” – which is self-evident when you think about the nature of the consultant business. All the best, Alan Boyle, science editor, msnbc.com


Alan Boyle (MSNBC-JV)
Monday, November 12, 2007 2:52 PM
Dear Robert et al.: The message I sent you specifically said that Jim Oberg was not working on behalf of NBC or msnbc.com, nor at the behest of those news organizations. I take no position on what Jim might say in other forums. Please do not twist these brief comments to your own purposes. I’m taking the liberty of also forwarding this e-mail to my supervisor just to keep him posted on this issue. Best, Alan Boyle, science editor, msnbc.com
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So according to Mr. Boyle, he confirmed Oberg was not acting at the behest of NBC or MSNBC in any manner.

Period.


Robert Williams

Welcome Bob... Its always better to hear both sides from the "horses mouth' so to speak.

Bring any photos with you for us disclosure starved conspiracy nuts

In the meantime...

Collection of Videos on Disclosure Etc

Page 1 # 5. UFO Disclosure Project Meeting
National Press Conference
Stephen Greer This is 1hr 55 min

www.funzulu.com...#

I am sure everyone has seen this one already but that website has a huge collection... well worth looking at. There are several Hoagland ones and even a few John Lear interviews..

Here it is on Youtube

"So according to Mr. Boyle, he confirmed Oberg was not acting at the behest of NBC or MSNBC in any manner. "

I'm baffled by how Mr. Boyle could know about the requests and needs of all the other components of the NBC News departments. His duties are focused on the website (and a fine website it is), where many of my activities (but by no means all, or even most) are directed towards.

Is Bob trying to tell us that Hoagland's own explicit claim in October on enterprisemission.com, that NBC News was interested in interviewing him, was bogus?

Or maybe it's more accurate to say that each component of NBC News isn't always fully aware of every other component's interests and investigations.

Notice how Bob is very strongly trying to make me the topic of this discussion, and not the book. This ought to be a familiar tactic and we all can think of examples from the past of people who did this on purpose, and what their agendas were.

Originally posted by JimO
Notice how Bob is very strongly trying to make me the topic of this discussion, and not the book. This ought to be a familiar tactic and we all can think of examples from the past of people who did this on purpose, and what their agendas were.

JimO, I don't know you, Bara, Hoagland, Bob or 'Ken' and I have not read Dark Mission yet either. If I see it cheap, I'll buy it, but I'm not ordering it online at full price.

However, I have been following this thread from when it started and I have read every post within a day of being posted, even if I forget details from some of them.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't all of your posts focus on 'Ken's' credentials, rather than the topics covered in the book Dark Mission?

Just as you accuse Bob of trying to centre the discussion around you, aren't you trying to centre the discussion around 'Ken', rather than the claims in his book? So his credentials probably have been faked, ok... but is it a case of shoot the messenger, so we can toss out all of the claims in the book as being bunk? From a couple of reviews, it seems that the book is a 'good read', but overly hyped and not all that important as an essential resource. I'm just wondering why you need to devote so much energy shooting down 'Ken' and the authors, rather than shooting down the topics covered in the book, if that's what really irks you?

I'm happy to be ill-informed or even wrong on this one, but from what I read, you have to expect some personal flack yourself, seeing that you're gunning to destroy Bara's claims about 'Ken's' credentials (which you seem to be doing just fine).

"Just as you accuse Bob of trying to centre the discussion around you, aren't you trying to centre the discussion around 'Ken', rather than the claims in his book? "

Reasonable question.

First, the book's central thesis of NASA coverup revolves around the story of Johnston allegedly being ordered to destroy unique and irreplaceable Apollo imagery, that contained evidence for alien structures of the Moon. It is the lynchpin that the NASA conspiracy theory hangs on. Hence, Johnston's actual position as a person being able to perform such a function is crucial to the book's core thesis.

Secondly, my comments have been about the accuracy of claims attributed to Johnston, as a calibration of other claims less susceptible to independent verification. The criticism of me has not been based on factual claims of mine, but on views of my intentions, ethics, and character. I suggest such criticisms are much more subjective and personal.

I am not trying to assess any motives for Johnston's stories, or speculate on his inner thinking, just uncovering independent accounts that match up (or don't) with his own accounts.

I think one approach is good investigative journalism. and the other approach is 'character assassination' exemplified. It's not a matter simply of 'whose ox is gored' -- it's the very nature of the horns and their targets.

Jim O

Originally posted by JimO
I think one approach is good investigative journalism. and the other approach is 'character assassination' exemplified.

All that I have seen is two posts from Bob where he provides emails that question your authority for acting on behalf of the NBC. Why wouldn't Bob's two posts be classed as good investigative journalism?

JimO
Bob has a hard time with English comprehension.

Now that's an example of what some people might consider to be character assassination. Whether or not Bob has trouble with English comprehension, he still used an investigative approach to obtain and post those emails about your affiliation with NBC, right?

Regardless of who is playing who, it's all a great way to divert the focus from the claims mentioned in the book. Smoke and mirrors, perhaps?

[edit on 15-12-2007 by tezzajw]

The history of Bob's posted messages about me is extensive, but it's over at Bara's blog.

He did quote the email correctly, assuming the email is unaltered. I've asked Boyle why he felt knowledgeable enough to issue such a blanket statement and will post the results.

But Bob did handle that message accurately, otherwise, and my comment was inappropriate based on that example.

Originally posted by JimO
The history of Bob's posted messages about me is extensive, but it's over at Bara's blog.

Which is fair enough, however, this is an ATS thread about Ken being 'fired' and the claims he makes about NASA in his book. With all due respect, Bob has only posted about you TWICE in this thread and he supported his claims with emails.

If you wish, then maybe it would be more appropriate to start a new thread, here on ATS, about Bob and his attacks on you over at Bara's blog. That way, we won't have to clutter this thread with off-topic posts while you and Bob can argue it out with each other?

He did quote the email correctly, assuming the email is unaltered. I've asked Boyle why he felt knowledgeable enough to issue such a blanket statement and will post the results.

No worries. Assuming that you don't alter your email, we'll also be happy to see the reply that you receive!

But Bob did handle that message accurately, otherwise, and my comment was inappropriate based on that example.

It's ok, we've all made inappropriate comments before, when our ego gets in the way.

First of all zorgon, thank you for the invite.

As you may have noticed I've been a member for awhile since I got back on my feet. I don't want to get too off-topic here but when you invited the folks from Mr. Bara's blog here you mentioned your real name and I used to work with another fine gentleman with same name at a local college, I am Robert H. Williams. If so, I would be very much interested in exchanging voice conversations, I'm in the book in Mooers NY. However, unless I (or my wife in wheelchair) know the number and the caller ID comes up with a name I know...I (and my wife) let the answering machine answer it...after all...that's why I bought the infernal thing Please leave a message with number and I'll call you if yuo're still here locally. LOL

tezzajw you are right that Mr. Oberg's posts here have been CONCENTRATED on Mr. Johnton's "credentials"...and copies of those have been supplied and posted at the blog site:

darkmission.blogspot.com...

His comments WITHIN the email to Ms Ferrari, as you can see since I posted it are of the same vein, imho. The email does not sound...imho...like a "PURELY journalsitic" neutral inquiry into Mr. Johnston's credentials. I mean, using a Swedish Ufo site as a 'source', and not even the FIRST page of the article...but the ONE page where we get a "Swedish twist" in by Mr. Oberg without Mr. Oberg actually having to say it himself...to wit:

www.ufo.se...


"In the Art Bell interview Mitchells coments of Hoagland finally drops down to such a level they had to be censured. Or what do you say about this:
- Hoagland must have been masturbating too much and whakened his brain cells out of his little pecker."


Which...in BRUTAL TRUTH reality is from a page filled with comments about Mr. Hoagland...supposedly from an ancient Art Bell Inerview with Edgar Mitchell who firmly believes in a Flying Saucer presence (something Mr. Oberg does NOT..btw...so WHY choose THIS site...THIS part of the Article?...only because Mr. Johnston's name is at the top? but really no "comments" about Mr. Jhonston ! ) and actually says in that interview...presuming THIS Swedish Article is an ACCURATE translation (something I, nor do I think Mr. Oberg has verified before he used it).

To whit Mitchell states:

"And in a interview with the UFOlogist Linda Howe (mutilation-researcher) Mitchell once again says that Hoaglands claims are just not there. But at the same time he reveals that he has been in contact with people who claims that the Belgium, (ex.) Soviet and American governments have had direct contact and exchange with aliens. As a source for this remarkable claims Mitchell says he has friends within the US agencys a.o.
On the question if he has been confronted by any government people for this knowledge he says:

- No, but I'm expecting it. (chuckles).
If you're expecting it, what's your response gonna be?
- Go to Hell...
And you feel this strongly now, because why?
- The evidence is mounting..."


Again...all this is PRESUMING the article is an accurate translation of that ancient interview that Mr. Oberg used as a "source"...supposedlly "reputable" in his email to Ms. Ferrari at JPL.

Not a very professional neutral journalstic inquiry imho....but let's get BACK ON TOPIC with something more from that 2nd part ONLY from a Swedish UFO Site Mr. Oberg used as a "source" ( again suppopsedly reputable since NOW he IS claiming 'someone' at NBC did indeed authorize and is likely paying him for this 'inquiry')...from that same part 2 of the article:


"Wheathering away


The person behind the public letter to Hoagland adds that the only true originals is located at Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston, USA. The magnetic-tapes with the raw-data is wheathering away, and NASA knows this, but says their budget don't allowe them to restore the tapes (!!!) NASA has been accused by Hoagland to have misplaced a number of frames, one of them are 4822. Hoagland also accuses NASA to have delayed his orders of frames in order to prevent him to make an comparison to Johnstons copies before the press-meeting. And the frame-numbers on Johnstons private "firsthand"-negatives has different framenumbers than those that are available for the public use, according to Hoagland. "


Can anyone tell me where NASA has put over 690 of the more than 700 boxes of RAW TELEVISION FOOTAGE from ALL the APOLLO missions? Gee...NASA wouldn't be so 'careless' or "paranoid" to INTENTIONALLY loose those tapes would they about such a prime and HISTORICAL RECORD paid for by...you guessed it...YOU the American Taxpayers.

Yet...that is EXACTLY what NASA has done...Contact the National Space Science Data Center and ask them where THAT data is:

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Next...let's review some ancient history about NASA 'numbering of images'...we have to switch from the Moon to Mars to discover this MISFILLING and MISSING context data. The beginning of this Odyssey starts with Tobias Owen and gets corrupted from there. A short essay can be found here if you wish to pursue the REAL story of the VIKING "HEAD" image:

commonsensecentral.net...

You need not go if you've heard the story and we can get BACK TO THE MOON stuff.

For YEARS AND YEARS a small group of us led by Mr. keith Laney have been on an email and mail and BBS endeavor to have NASA scan and archive ALL of the Apollo Moon images....both manned and unmanned...see:

www.keithlaney.net...

It is only within the last 6 months that NASA and AU began doing this process...why now???!!!

Is it because they KNEW Dark Mission was comming out soon on bookshelves and libraries across the USA and the world? Now that it is out...I believe "some interests" are doing everything and anything to discredit the book...and the ONLY target they are targeting is Mr. Ken Johnston.

Now one wonders...why is that? Why attack ONLY Mr. Ken Johnston's creditionals?

Maybe because the ORDER to DESTROY these pricless HISTORICAL RECORDS was in fact BRUTAL TRUTH.

Same way the CIA TAPES of the interogations of CIA detainees were also REAL BRUTAL TRUTH DESTROYED...and now there may be some LEGAL LIABILITIES should Congress or the FBI get enough cajhones or ovaries to actually DO ANYTHING about that and CHARGE someone with a coverup and press criminal charges.

Ahhhh...but what good would it do if we found out who destroyed the tapes, either the CIA tapes or those precious and MORE interesting and IMPORTANT 690 some-odd Apollo RAW TELEVISION TAPES...or...4 Sets of Apollo first generation copies of the original negatives...when in all probabilty...like Scooter Libby...anyone who coverd-up this stuff will be pardoned completely by THIS administration with uncarring impunity.

But as of this moment the 690 plus Apollo Raw Television Tapes remain...GONE...Where is Mr. Oberg in the HUNT FOR THE BRUTAL TRUTH ABOUT THIS TOPIC...like the tapes themselves...mia.

Think about it. REALLY think about it all....it IS all connected if you have an open mind and search out the BRUTAL TRUTH FACTS and use COMMON SENSE reasoning...imho anyhooo

So...what and who are we left with concerning the Dark Mission book and the current 'web-war' STARTED by Mr. Oberg with his "neutral journalistic inguiry" at the behest of "someone" at NBC News?

PLease re-read his FIRST email to Ms. Ferrari on page 46 of this thread and decide for yourself.

Is it really "Mainstream Media" when it turns into a personalized "MEANSTREAM MEDIA" ???

I'd like an answer to that one.

Bob...

ps...zorgon if it really is you...HAPPY HOLIDAYS and I hope you're enjoying retirement from the college computer room.

Boyle has responded that he was only speaking to Robert about MSNBC.com, and Robert in turn apparently has now filed a complaint against me and boyle with the FCC.

Here are the emails:

Here's what [Boyle] wrote Robert originally:

"Dear Robert: Jim is employed by NBC News as an analyst on a consultant basis - basically a freelance vendor - and not on a full-time basis. He has other interests and other clients in addition to his work for NBC and msnbc.com, and this is one of those other interests. He isn't pursuing this discussion in response to an assignment from msnbc.com, and his comments don't make that implication. The most relevant comment in the material you cite would be his observation that "all material I obtain is usable for them or other clients" - which is self-evident when you think about the nature of the consultant business. All the best, Alan Boyle, science editor, msnbc.com"

Then Robert wrote back with this:

From: Robert Williams [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:14 AM
To: Alan Boyle (MSNBC-JV); [email protected]; Keith Olbermann; TechNews
Cc: Kevin J Martin
Subject: To the science editor and FCC

November 12, 2007

Dear Mr. Chairman,

Below you will find several email exchanges with NBC about the unethical actions of one of their news correspondants who BOTH now say are acting on the behalf and at the behest of NBC/MSNBC. Also you will find direct links where Mr. Oberg, acting as a NBC reporter, shows his true nature in not responding to polite questions.

I would like to file a formal complaint against NBC/MSNBC and Mr. James Oberg for refusing to answer polite questions by me as to his actions in attacking NASA's Ken Johnston and NASA volunteer Mr. Keith Laney who has done wonderful work which helped to ensure the successfull landing of both rovers on Mars, Spirit and Opportunity; and then not responding to questions about those actions.

Mr. Oberg is making false accusations about these gentlemen and when politely asked to back up his claims he is being rude and highly unprofessional...which as you can see in the response from NBC Mr. Boyle, they firmly agree with Mr. Oberg's actions and attacks without substations. I am sure there are at least a few rules in the FCC guidelines and law that news organizations AND their employees of ANY kind are required to abide by. Mr. Oberg has most definitely not abided by them, and Mr. Boyle says that this is okay with NBC itself.

A response would be appreciated from the proper person in your department.

Thank you for your valuable time and attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Robert H. Williams

2453 Route 11 Main St

Mooers, NY 12958

518-236-6733

[email protected]

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Dear Mr. Boyle,

Since I have quoted from Mr. Oberg's own words, I presume in the tone of your response that you ARE IN FACT supporting Mr. Oberg's actions against Mr. Johnston and Mr. Laney...that IN FACT...he IS speaking FOR his clients...i.e. NBC/MSNBC news.

And once more he refusing to answer questions I have posed POLITELY to him. This is NOT 'journalistic integrity imho.

Your response is saying you approve of Mr. Oberg acting this way on behalf of NBC/MSNBC

Thank you for clarifying that matter. I shall now email the original and the updated responses here to the FCC as a complaint against NBC itself since you are condoning Mr. Oberg's behavior as an employee of NBC.

reply to post by rhw007


Oh my gosh, rhw007,

[strapping on seat belt and shoulder harnesses]

This is gonna be good!!!

rhw, seems you know a little bit of somethin' about what you're talkin'...sorry about the Southern vernacular, it's somethin' I've adopted from a friend I'm stayin' with...

If any great 'disclosure' is imminent, I cannot wait.

Took a moment to review my post, before 'sending'...it is in NO way meant to be sarcastic, although it could be construed as such, just wanted to make that clear. My respect for all of the people in this debate remains the same...respect is due all who contribute polite and cogent posts.

As I've been reading, there have been many contributions, all welcomed. However, somewhere along the line we've missed the real 'meat' of the discussion...was a "NASA Scientist Fired..." or not? If a NASA Scientist, where is the 'disclosure'?? [it was 'promised].....

Didn't intend to be a Killjoy, sorry...I'd just like to know what is going to be disclosed.....

Thanks.

I see I am already late to the party....carry on!!

Sorry, one line post, had to make it two.

Thanks

Here's one of the examples that led me to criticize Robert's reading comprehension -- it also shows his nasty streak, and his refusal to back off on accusations that are shown to be mistaken, or otherwise erroneous.

darkmission.blogspot.com...
Bara, 8:23 AM

Quotes a message from:
Robert Gonzales Jr. said...
Ken Johnson claims to have two advanced degrees from Reformed Baptist Seminary. I am the academic dean of Reformed Baptist Seminary (www.rbseminary.org), and I can assure the readers that he did not obtain any degrees from our seminary. Either there is another institution that goes by that name (of which I am unaware) or Ken Johnson is giving false information.
November 15, 2007 8:22 AM

Bara's thread presents a certificate from “The Reform Baptist Theological Seminary”, with the ‘Corporate Seal of “Colorado Reform Baptist Church, Inc.”

Thread of October 6 – Ken Johnston Answers Commentators Questions
darkmission.blogspot.com...
“However for the record; I am now 65years old. I hold a BS in Aerospace Engineering from Oklahoma City University and two advanced degrees from the Reformed Baptist Seminary, one in Theology and the other PhD in Metaphysics.”

Compare
"The Reform Baptist Theological Seminary” certificate
and
"The Reformed Baptist Seminary Johnston's own message

They are trivial differences, easily corrected... except in Robert's mind:

JimO: Notwithstanding the clear confusion over the exact name of the institution Johnston claimed his PhD from, and the fact that Gonzales was really an official of the institution that Johnston originally mistakenly named, and was telling the full truth about THAT institution’s records, On November 26, 2007 5:14 PM, Robert attacked Dr. Gonzales as follows:

Mr. Gonzales, Jr. as you are well aware "Academic Dean" is futher down the pecking ladder than the President of the University, and of course the Board of Directors. Also as an Academic Dean you oversee employees who, well may just not like you, and gave you false information is you asked a subordinate to check on Mr. Johnston's PHD rather than CHECK YOURSELF.

My "Academic Dean" was even unaware that the College President had given me WRITTEN permission to file my FOIA against NASA...so how much "in-the loop" was he? Maybe you are in the same boat.

With the above dimploma your Thanksgiving certainly has some leftover CROW on the table.

Yet I have NOT seen you come in here and APOLOGIZE to Mr. Johnston's for YOUR false accusations, neither has Mr. Oberg appologized for HIS false statements and allegations....which are NOW proven to be wrong with the BRUTAL TRUTH.

We already know Mr. Oberg IS a "NBC Correspondent" when he wrote to Ms. Ferrai...perhaps you could provide documentation you ARE an "Academic Dean" at the same University you say you are from...or some internet troll or disinformation puppet. After all you CLAIM to not know something that should be in YOUR records.

It's either a troll or you asked someone to check FOR you...kinda linke sitting on your backside and giving orders rather than doing some REAL ACADEMIC work of your own? Sorta like my "Academic Dean" was at CCC...an empty head full of ego...sadly he is now dead of cancer at about age 45 I think.

One should ALWAYS think about what you might say when you find yourself outside your body...yet still knowing you are you...you become into the "In-Between:...where questions will be asked, and no lies accepted...BRUTAL TRUTHS TIME:

Who are You...What do you want
When your heart is stopped...and breath is caught
Why are you here...Where have you been
Where are you going...What will happen then.

BRUTAL TRUTHS Mr. Gonzales, Jr. and Mr. Oberg.

Accept you were wrong and do the HONORABLE thing.

Publicly Appologize FIRST for ALL past accusations...and make sure we believe you ARE truly sorry and not crying fake tears.

Bob...

Looks to be like quite the show going on here!

Its also a perfect example of why nothing gets done. Generally speaking, projects take a certain level of cooperation, depending on the size.

I have watched some parliament debates in Hungary and never saw much accomplished what with all the character assassination and vengeful tactics.

'Course James comes across well organized, which is good, but joining forces with Bob's thick armor would make a deadly duo. Sadly enough, I suspect someone else will come in and trounce Bob, perpetuating this endless chasing the blame.

Ok, back to the ring! *ding!*

What I notice most in Bob's recent postings is how on one page he denounces me for 'falsely' claiming NBC sponsorship, and on the next page he denounces NBC for treacherously sponsoring me.

It might be a good idea to remind outselves of a useful principle in argumentation -- keep the 'cool' on, by refraining from speculating or accusing about the motives of people with a different point of view. Concentrate on what can be established as facts, and agreed on.

Having been at this sort of thing for decades, I ought to have accumulated sufficient humility to consistently behave in accordance with this constructive approach, and while I strive for it, I can see the times when I fall short. I can count on folks to point that out, and must accept such comments.

Here, the question ought to be the credibility of the claims in the book, not the intentions of the claimants or of those who raise factual issues with such claims. Is that possible?

And when can we hear directly from Ken Johnston instead of from people who put themselves forward with their views of what they think he has said and meant?

Originally posted by rhw007
First of all zorgon, thank you for the invite.
I used to work with another fine gentleman with same name at a local college, I am Robert H. Williams.

Sorry Bob... but no that was not me... I hail from Germany and lived in Toronto most of my life until recent move to Las Vegas... I was also recently mistaken for another person of same name who works at Lockheed...

That was a funny coincidence considering the topics I research...

Uh oh... maybe that's why I am getting so many insider emails?
Dangit spilled the beans

But thanks for stopping by... I hate one sided debates

zorgon, sorry about the confusion...but the gentleman worked at the same institution I was "fired" from in the same manner Ken Johnston was "fired"...though Mr. Oberg claims "being pressured to resign" is NOT the same as being "fired"...it was at THIS point I stepped into the fray as it where.


I'll say as little as possible, but covering the points, on this subject since again...I do not want to derail the thread...however, Mr. Oberg's assertion that he WAS hired by 'someone' at NBC news certainly helps justify my filing with the FCC for his style of "reputable NEUTRAL investagive" techiques authorized by NBC and MSBC News...sorta like asking King Georgie JR down to the new AG if "Waterboarding" is tortue or not. Because the point I had with Mr. Oberg started when he stated this:

"There is the version that is consistent with Johnston's subsequent email asking to rescind his voluntary resignation (the way I thought I heard her tell it), and your version of a demanded resignation, that seems to me to be hard to reconcile with Johnston asking the next day to withdraw it."

from here:
www.blogger.com...

Rather than tie up this post with a copy and paste of Mr. Ken Johnston's statements about his being either 'asked to resign or he was being fired' I'll post link where you can read the C2C interview yourself and see Mr. Johnston's email back to Ms. Ferrari and read his own words here:

darkmission.blogspot.com...

From there the back-n-forth went around the definition of what the word being "fired" meant...in a wierd and unpleansant sort of way because it brought back a lot of memories where I was put in Mr. Johnston's shoes back in Autumn 2000 to May 2001. I was FIRED for filling a FOIA against NASA and I had the College President's WRITTEN authorization and 'protection' to do so. 2 weeks after the FOIA hit Washington DC...well...all hell broke loose and I was forced to either back down or be fired...exactly like Mr. Johnston was being asked to do. To learn more about MY event go here:

commonsensecentral.net...

And THAT experience lead me to the knowledge that many College 'Administrators' are NOT as all powerfull nor as knowledgable about events at their own institution as they may think. A view I still hold since that same collge has gone through numerous adminstrative replacements...because the power...lies always with the Board of Directors.

Now enough about that, I have only 631 MGS MOCs IMQs to get through and I want to get back to that project and also for gathering information for the FCC inquiry about Mr. Oberg's claim here that NBC did INDEED hire him to 'investigate something'.

Who and what remains to be seen. But I ask ANY of the ATS crew to re-read Mr. Oberg's email I posted on botom of page 46 of this thread, my previous post that breaks down that 'source' he used and ask if that is an honest and neutral and unbiased inquiry into Mr. Ken Johnston's credentials?

Mine would have been pretty short and to the point:

Dear Ms Ferrai,

I am inquiring as to the qualifications of a Mr. Ken Johnston who is affiliated with a new book out called Dark Mission and can be reviewed here at Amazon.com:

www.amazon.com...=nb_ss_gw/103-6824098-5165460?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Dark+Mission&x=19&y=18

Does JPL still stand behind Mr. Ken JOhston's qualifications and credentials to be part of the NASa Ambasador program?

Sincerely,

yada yada yada...


Now THAT is a simple, dispassionate, neutral and unbiased way to approach JPL and inquire into JPL's confidence about Mr. Johnston's credentials.

The above is a far cry from what Mr. Oberg wrote as I pointed out already.

NOW>>> NEW NEWS AND REVELATIONS

Message from Mike Bara...

Ron\Zorgon,
For more than a decade now, many of the images in Dark Mission have been available for free in the Planetary Lab section of Enterprise Mission.com. All other images are copyrighted by our publisher, and I know of no plans at this time to publish them on the web. However, they were all included in a CD that was given away at the Los Angeles lecture in November, and there are plans to make that available for a nominal fee and\or to include it in the revised edition of Dark Mission.

I’d be glad to drop by your forum, but how about soliciting 10-20 questions from your users and I’ll try to answer all of them by email, which you can then post as a topic on your board. That way I can come in and address questions resulting from that set of answers.

Okay folks 20 questions .... but lets make them count... and please keep them on topic

Originally posted by rhw007
zorgon, sorry about the confusion...

No problem

In the Mars page you posted I did see some new images... but the one I like best is the ESA image of Cydonia...





This will take some time to study

Also thanks for the Kieth Laney links... there was one page I didn't have

Now then we can all see the "Face of the Lion" that Masqua pointed out some time ago in this image yes?