Global Warming Being Blamed for Calif. Wildfires

Global Warming Being Blamed for Calif. Wildfires

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Man-made global warming is being blamed for yet another natural calamity – the roaring California wildfires.

As the fires raged out of control in a number of Southern California locations, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada flatly declared on Tuesday: “One reason why we have the fires in California is global warming.” He cited the fires in stressing the need to pass the Democrats’ comprehensive energy package, The Hill newspaper reported.

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This Democratic Congress has not earned it's 11% approval rating - they are not that competent.

This attempt to politicize the tragedy in California shows a desperation from a party that cannot enact any legislation, even bad legislation.

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All I know is that I live in Pa and it was around 75-80 today. And it's on a consistant basis that this weather is above average temp, IMO. Something is going on.

All algorithym weather models are going in a nice tidy metal round thingy.
It is obvious we have a global problem on our hands.

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I dont ususally agree with the opinions you express here, we're just on opposite sides of the fence. But i have to say, i agree with you fully on this point. Politicizing the tragity in Cali is just Crass Political Opportunism at its worst. Congress should working extra long hours and doing whatever it can to help the people of Cali, not bickering at global warming.

[edit on 24-10-2007 by InSpiteOf]

My apology to the rest of the world for being from the state that sent Reid to Washington. Our bad.

This is filth, trash, LIES.

ENVIRONMENTALISM is the main cause of those fires!

They don’t allow logging and they put out the natural fires. Big mistake.

Naturally, wild fires burn through an area every few years, thinning the forest. When we don’t allow them to go the course, then we need to step in and thin the forest ourselves.

I remember a fire in Oregon that was so hot the ground was "kilned" 20 feet down!

3000 degree fires are not natural, they are the fault of environmentalism.

Originally posted by cavscout

ENVIRONMENTALISM is the main cause of those fires!

lol

3000 degree fires are not natural, they are the fault of environmentalism.

Nah, when a fire gets going, it gets pretty hot.

Originally posted by redled
lol

Oh, I am sorry.

Did you actually have something other than knee-jerk reactions to one of the more serious problems facing the world today?

lol?

I am assuming since my post was so funny to you that you must have proof to the contrary.

Right?

[edit on 24-10-2007 by cavscout]

Global Warming Being Blamed for Calif. Wildfires

“One reason why we have the fires in California is global warming.”

You have your title backwards. It should be California Wildfires blamed because of global warming...

It was a race between 2 religions.

Who would be the first to claim their religion responsible for the fires?

The participants??? The Global Warming Religion vs Christianity.

So far I have not heard of any Preacher claiming the "Wrath of God" sooo..........

The Global Warming Religion wins!

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by redled
lol

Oh, I am sorry.

Did you actually have something other than knee-jerk reactions to one of the more serious problems facing the world today?

I think that is knee jerk.

lol?

Yeah, its funny how the trusty old oil industry questions reality time and again.

I am assuming since my post was so funny to you that you must have proof to the contrary.

On the contrary, there is plenty of proof of it occuring, ice from the poles, winds in the south and drought to drownout, it just keeps turning up. And yes, weather is chaotic, so we should keep to stable equilibriums, but oil industries from the bush don't like that..



[edit on 24-10-2007 by redled]

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Originally posted by cavscout
ENVIRONMENTALISM is the main cause of those fires!

They don’t allow logging and they put out the natural fires. Big mistake.

Naturally, wild fires burn through an area every few years, thinning the forest. When we don’t allow them to go the course, then we need to step in and thin the forest ourselves.

I remember a fire in Oregon that was so hot the ground was "kilned" 20 feet down!

3000 degree fires are not natural, they are the fault of environmentalism.

Agreed. Many of these fires are due to poor management of our natural resources. If a forest is allowed to "go natural" for years on end, then you are sitting on a tinderbox. Some of those pine needle beds extend down several feet below the surface, and can smolder for a very long time.

All it takes is one lightning strike, or careless smoker.

Then comes the erosion, and after that the mudslides.

Originally posted by redled

On the contrary, there is plenty of proof of it occuring, ice from the poles, winds in the south and drought to drownout, it just keeps turning up. And yes, weather is chaotic, so we should keep to stable equilibriums, but oil industries from the bush don't like that..

Oh I see. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this thread.

You laughed at my post without being able to discredit my argument. Care to take a stab at disproving what I said? If not, then I would thank you to quit your drive-by laughing.

“The weather we’ve seen this fall may or may not be due to the global warming trend,” he said, “but it’s certainly a clear picture of what the future is going to look like if we don’t act quickly to cut emissions of the greenhouse gases.”

... snicker.

It's not because of Global Warming, but NBC has been running down that angle for a reason. Jay Leno has been on reruns this week. I'm guessing because of the fires. NBC hates Leno. He's the only sane person left at NBC.

I declare that NBC started the fires to burn down the Tonight Show studios and kill Jay Leno.

Save the planet. Boycott NBC! except the Tonight Show.

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I wasn't having go at your post, the drive by was at the ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE THE PROBLEM. No stab.

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Logging, huh? Ever been to Southern California? Unless you're making toothpicks, there's not much to log. Besides. You'd be trading fires for landslides

Fires are endemic to the area. The place is chaparral - fire is crucial, and happens every year. The problem here is not that there is a fire, but that the Santa Ana winds are stronger than they've been in a very long time.

Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Logging, huh? Ever been to Southern California? Unless you're making toothpicks, there's not much to log.

Really, cause my house in Bluejay is SURROUNDED by trees. It has probably already burnt down. Saves me the trouble of selling it, I suppose.

Come to think about it, my father in law has a house down the hill in Redlands and is also surrounded by trees.

We pay a man to come over and clean out the pine needles when we aren’t around, because it is required by law to protect against the FIRES burning all the TREES.

When I was a kid they used to do controlled burns in the areas that weren’t logged, to prevent these huge fires. Now you can’t log or control burn in most areas because you may kill a woodpecker or an owl.

I live in Vegas and we had a wild fire burn down houses this year. No trees, just brush in a wash and they couldn’t stop it quickly enough. Why? That wash is a protected wetland and controlled burns weren’t allowed. You don’t need a forest to have a wildfire.

The Democrats are very transparent in this whole California Wildfire mess. They're obviously trying to make this a political event to gain more ground. Whether it's global warming or not, these fires are not the fault of the bush administration. I think it's laughable that they would even try to convince us.

The California Wildfires are a much different animal than hurricane Katrina. Local government has done a tremendous job evacuating and housing those evacuated. At one point there were more volunteers than victims at Qual-Comm Stadium. They're handling their problems very well over there. Hell, FEMA is already there helping people.

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Way to omit the second part of my post, and thus the whole point of the exercise.

Do you have a fireplace, Cavscout? Do you barbeque with charcoal? Even if not, I suppose the following basic concepts will catch for you, no pun intended.

Let's say you have a fire going in your fireplace, and you add another log to the pile. You just added more fuel to the blaze already going, but the overall effect is not more heat, just longer duration. Wood burns at a constant temperature - the harder the wood, the higher the temperature. If your room is well-insulated, a long-lasting fire can give the illusion of increasing in heat, but that's just because it's producing heat constantly and little is escaping.

Say you want more heat without changing the fuel. Maybe you want that new log to catch fire faster. What do you do? You add an accelerant. For a fireplace, this is accomplished by use of a bellows or one's longs. By injecting a stream of air into the fire you feed it oxygen, thus increasing its heat. In a barbeque you use lighter fluid, which also feeds oxygen and hydrogen to the fire.

Fire is a chemical reaction, the oxidization of a substance, most often carbon (such as your wood or charcoal). The more oxygen present the faster and more efficiently oxidization happens, and thus the more heat produced in a given span of time.

Following so far?

In nature, wind serves the purpose of bellows. It increases the fire's intensity, and also moves the fire around by airborne embers and fanning the flames in a direction. The faster the wind, the more oxygen it gives a fire and the further it can launch those embers to start new fires. While plentiful fuel can make a fire last longer and give it more overall area, the real problem in a wildfire is the wind.

Funny thing about trees and undergrowth is that they actually slow wind down. While a forest fire may be huge, it's more easily controlled than, say, a prairie fire because of this fact. The lack of windbreaks makes such a fire much more dangerous because it is massively hot and spreads rapidly.

You might feel real proud of yourself, sitting on your ass and bitching about spotted owls. You should be bitching about the overdevelopment of these areas that are on fire. The removal of vegetation and flattening of terrain is behind the increase in wind speed, and thus the root cause of the severety of these fires. Even the guys fighting the fires point to the wind as the problem.

But what the hell do firefighters know compared to Glenn Beck, amirite?

[edit on 25-10-2007 by The Walking Fox]

Originally posted by The Walking Fox
You might feel real proud of yourself, sitting on your ass and bitching about spotted owls. You should be bitching about the overdevelopment of these areas that are on fire.

Well your rudeness certainly wasn’t necessary. Remember that every time you type that someone is sitting on their ass bitching, you are doing the same thing.

That said, you are correct that overdevelopment is a contributing factor to the size of the fires, and the main reason the fires are such a problem.

You cannot, however, deny that the fuel load in the area helped the fires to get out of hand. While the main problem in putting these fires out IS the wind, the reason they got to the point they did is the BIOMASS in the area.

Dead, dry timber and shrubs. Stands of small trees. Dry grass. These things all contributed to just how out of hand these fires got.

But what the hell do firefighters know compared to Glenn Beck, amirite?

Who is Glenn Beck?