Drivers Missing From I-5 Truck Crash

reply to post by Sanity Lost


Thanks for that. Unfortunately all the stories are 5 days old. There surely must be some updates by now.

I'd be looking at incineration, or people being wounded and wandering off into a ravine before I'd look to conspiracy. It is really rugged country around there.

reply to post by HeavilyArmed


this week in alberta----a small school bus being driven by a womam the media only showed a picture of once was driven off the road practically into the ditch to strike a stopped gravel truck --ripping the entire right side off the bus killing 1----8 year old girl and injuring many other kids---charges are pending against this woman.the picture i saw was of a "lady"with a dress on head to toe veiling her face while she was sitting with her hands under her chin on a low wall or curb.you figure out the rest.i personally do not think the terrorist attacks are over yet----if anything they are just getting started---i wonder why they havent used belt bombs in the malls so far ----but i think thats coming soon as well.

At least 9, thinking of when I was driving, there are quite a lot of team drivers out there on the roads these days.

Please keep this story alive, it is quite interesting due to the changes in the Mexican/US trucking restrictions that have come about lately.

I just wanted to peak your interest in the fact that it could have been more than 9 others missing, due to the team drivers.

A_L

At least 9, thinking of when I was driving, there are quite a lot of team drivers out there on the roads these days.

Please keep this story alive, it is quite interesting due to the changes in the Mexican/US trucking restrictions that have come about lately.

I just wanted to peak your interest in the fact that it could have been more than 9 others missing, due to the team drivers.

A_L

reply to post by another_lurker


I'm a team driver and I never thought to come the conclusion that there could be more. Once again I must reiterate that human remains just don't disappear even in fire. The wounded walking off into a ravine I find unlikely, no blood trails? Helicopters from news media surely would have seen that.

Let me put this out there, I'm in a horrible accident, traffic from one direction is at crawl, I call my buddy to race to the scene to pick me up before the police arrive. Now how probable is the scenario with out being noticed. Eight people walking down the interstate is going to get some attention. Even one guy waiting for a ride is going to raise an eyebrow if he is on the interstate. Most professional drivers see everything shoulder to shoulder, If we didn't there would be a lot more accidents out there.

Now think about this, one guy without a license, OK I can see that, One or two illegal aliens, I can see that but 8 or 9 people? I just can't buy that, I can't even take it if were free. How can 8 or 9 people simply disappear in the middle of the desert from an Interstate without being noticed, unless they picked up from someone going the other direction by someone they knew. Otherwise I believe someone would have said something by now. Don't ya think? ('')

I agree and find it quite odd that this story is just fading away without conclusions. I also agree with you that bodies just don't disappear, either. It's got me quite puzzled.

I was just making a point of team driving being big in the US with the US hours restrictions, and that there could be more than 9 missing even if 3 trucks had 2 drivers in each.

Just something to think about.

A_L

Although number 3 would be a fun solution, I doubt that was it.

IMO, I would have to go with choice one or come to the conclusion that possibly they were somehow on a "watchlist" by cia, fbi, or some agency of that nature and are in custody or are being questioned.
Just a possible idea

reply to post by xlc sil3nce


Well being on a government watch list seems to put even more spin on this. But why report them missing, rather than say they were accounted for and being interviewed about what happened. Although that would explain why there are no updates on this story. Lets keep the sheep calm, no need for a stampede.

Arugggg Double Post


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Banging head on wall, DID it AGAIN ''


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If the fire disintegrated concrete and pavement to the steel re-bar than this fire was super hot. This type of fire would burn a human to no remains. One thing about flammables transported by big rig. It has to be placarded and use alternate routes around/over tunnels.

Once each vehicles id is made and referenced to its registered owner, the chp and transportation board investigators will look at what load was manifested to each vehicle for that day. If a truck was transporting flammable material in the tunnel, that company will be fined big time.

I would like to comment on drivers of trucks in California. Besides the Mexican NAFTA thing there is a breed of wild driver with turbans on there heads who drive pretty scary. I had one hit my rig on I10 as I passed it at chariaco summit west bound. Than a cab full of them careened into the circle K in Phoenix off I10 at 59th street exit almost running me over as they hung out the windows laughing.

If the missing 9 didn't burn, than they have to be on the run.

Originally posted by WorldShadow
If the fire disintegrated concrete and pavement to the steel re-bar than this fire was super hot. This type of fire would burn a human to no remains...
...If the missing 9 didn't burn, than they have to be on the run.

The weird thing is, wouldn't someone be missing them?

Wouldn't their families/loved ones have come forward by now?

And there really haven't been any updates in the media about this situation since the 16th.

Strange, just strange...

I go with Number 3 some Alien took them, don't you guys know that they are lots of illegal aliens in so cal, yes all of them where illegal aliens. they left the scene of the accident, its nothing new it happens all the time in so-cal, around the country espicially when your doing something wrong or its your fault. anyway good finding the tru secret

from the us today news article:

As the highway reopened Monday, investigators worked to identify vehicles, some reduced to molten steel.

can automotive accidents reduce the metal of vehicles to molten steel?

reply to post by undo


80% of a modern truck is aluminum and fiberglass. Burning fiberglass resin gets real hot. And considering the concentration of heat in the tunnel. I would be surprised if they didnt find some puddled aluminum alloy


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reply to post by yahn goodey


That story didn't deserve anything more, I did not want to hear for days upon days about the tragedy, and the background of this woman, I'd rather the Herald not waste space on it, oh and and as well, the reason it didn't get much coverage because it was a special needs bus, there's my 2 cents

hi - just to point out that drivers abscond from accident scenes for various other reasons :

1 - Drunk / under the influence of drugs

2 - outstanding arrest warrent / wanted fugative

3 - presence of drugs / firearms / stolen goods in the vehicle

4 - the vehicle is stolen

5 - the driver has no licence / insurance / is a disqualified driver

6 a guilt induced panic attack

i have attended RTAs where all the above have occurred - and i guess if those were the case ANYONE might flee an accident scene - regardless of thier immigration status

i realise that ilegal aliens is a far greater problem in california

but we get drivers fleeing the scenes of accidents in the UK on a regular basis - mostly for the reasons noted above

though i have never heard of more than one person or the occupants of more than one vehicle fleeing a UK accident

Even though the story seems to have faded away (5 days????) the one CHP Officer explained that it WILL take TIME to determine what may have happened. Look how long it takes for the Federal Aviation Administration to investigate airline crashes. So I wouldn't expect any answers too soon.

I believe that there were illegals involved, or as others stated unliscensed drivers, or a dry run for destruction elsewhere.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
hi - just to point out that drivers abscond from accident scenes for various other reasons :

1 - Drunk / under the influence of drugs

2 - outstanding arrest warrent / wanted fugative

3 - presence of drugs / firearms / stolen goods in the vehicle

4 - the vehicle is stolen

5 - the driver has no licence / insurance / is a disqualified driver

6 a guilt induced panic attack

i have attended RTAs where all the above have occurred - and i guess if those were the case ANYONE might flee an accident scene - regardless of thier immigration status

i realise that ilegal aliens is a far greater problem in california

but we get drivers fleeing the scenes of accidents in the UK on a regular basis - mostly for the reasons noted above

though i have never heard of more than one person or the occupants of more than one vehicle fleeing a UK accident

well thats almost 1 reason per driver. i really can't imagine illegals comong across in hazmat trucks one at a time LOL. i would venture a guess that possibly these 9 truckers were protesting the NAFTA crap eating into their pockets if it were planned. the only knenundrum with this theory is 1. the trucks were stolen which i'm sure we would have heard already or 2.they were legal, and that information would have followed the drivers who would have been arrested for leaving the scene of an accident with great fanfare. it also seems to me that these drivers,if they left,and got away without detection,were highly organized. also can you imagine the stink the police would have made if there were 9 stolen trucks in one accident? this is defiatly a puzzler

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a quick note on fire and its affect on human remains - fire alone will not burn a human body to the point that it " vanishes "

the bones reduce to calcium oxide - and the major bones - skull pelvis , femur ,scapula retain some cohesion at anny temperature

crematoria have to use a mechanical aggitator to reduce the remains to the fine ash that is delivered in the urn for scattering by the relatives

unless the fire service used a lot of water or dragged the shells of the vehicles apart with great force

then an identifiable trace of the deceased would remain

plus - forensic chemistry would determine if a body had been consumed within a fire - simply put :

if you burn a vehicle seat with a body , and one without - then the residue will have different chemical compositions - and a foresnsic chemist would have no trouble detmining which seat the body was in