Nationwide Revolt Against Dangerous Vaccines Accelerates

reply to post by RogerT


Not real sure where you recieved your information from on the asthma but I can tell you with 100% certainty that asthma is not curable by natural means. Actually it's not curable at all, rather you can do things to keep it to a minimum.

I've been to a holistic doctor, traditional doctors, a naturpath and a homeopath, and not one of them could cure my asthma. And not one of them claimed to be able to cure it, rather "control" it. The closest I've come to controlling it, is by knowing what to avoid that triggers it, and that was by my own observations not anyone elses.

Your statement is complete hogwash, and making statements like that are dangerous to those who "desperate" people who would do anything to find a so called "cure".

I got my flu shot this year. Never again will I do that. Shakes and fever started about 8 hours after innoculation. I've not had the flu in years and this shot wiped me out for about a day and a half. I like myself ambulatory and not missing work. I had to use up two sick-days.

Originally posted by RogerT
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Look, no offense B, but this isn't an appealing invitation for me to invest x hours of my time coaching you through the mental enema you'll need to even get started.

you're looking for data to take to the 'pros'. Who are they? Do these pros have professional success curing incurable diseases naturally? If they did, you wouldn't need any info from me, so I'll guess that they don't, so what possible value can they offer?

you invested 20 years of learning how to do these things and you can't give me a fast write up?
you would do it in a pm though if i said pretty please good sir though right?
i don't know whats with the mental enema but i know NOTHING of what you speak of, so, naturally i want to hear some..
the pro's?
for this discussion i would like to take your data and talk to jazzerman and lombozo about it. jzzerman is a virologist and lombo is a nurse.
i doubt very much these guys have success in curing diseases naturally but, they are smarter than i am..
what can they offer?

if you say hey boondock, you can cure cancer by eating a banana a day cause of this alkaloid and then eat some greenbeans cause of this, then i could look those things up. i could ask lombo and jazzer if to them, in theri opinion does it make sense that an alkaloid in a nanner can help to fight cancer...you know, the whole getting more than one opinion thing.

i am not taking anything you say as fact(so far you have said nothing but you can do these things but you're not showing) or even legit till i know what it is, i get a few other opinions and i know where to start looking.

if you say brazil nuts can cure cancer, then i can jump on google and start looking....get the idea now?

you don't have to give me a research paper...just point me in a direction to start researching....

you said you cured breast cancer naturally.

how is it going to take x amount of hours to tell me the 'natural things' you did?

do you not remember?

five minutes man...

what single natural thing had the biggest effect on the cancer?

Originally posted by cw034

Your statement is complete hogwash, and making statements like that are dangerous to those who "desperate" people who would do anything to find a so called "cure".

as of this point, i tend to feel the exact same way.
fredt is a killer poster but anyone that makes these claims imo, if asked should at least try to toss out a little info.

i mean fred, you're positive there are natural cures but you are not giving them up. you either don't have time or since i am sarcastic i am not worthy of it...i don't know but what i do know is the last time this was talked about it went pretty much the same way.
there were all kinds of claims but nothing was tossed out there.

i have degenerative disc disease...is there anything natural i can do for that? maybe to stop another disc from crumbling or to stop the back pain? or to stop the leg pain? or to stop the leg numbness?
i had a fusion done at L5S1 and i need another cause it failed. eventually i will need another on the next disc.
if i could cure this naturally that would be fantastic.
all the morphine, vicodin, perocet, fentanyl, valium, etc etc are kinda taking their toll on me.

anything you have that may help this illness(since you only apparently will help if you are ill) would be much appreciated fred.
please and thanks.

honestly though, i am much, much more interested in the cancer as i know 2 people with breast cancer and 1 with cml. they are family too so.....help me out.
gleevac is expensive.

reply to post by Boondock78


OK, it's off topic, and I already got slapped by a mod for T&C contravention, but what the heck.

Here, go read this page:

www.world-mysteries.com... (I don't know the site, just did a quick search to find an article about the healer)

Here's just one guy who could help your wife's friends hubby.

You won't find peer reviewed studies on him, so you'll be wasting your time trying to prove or disporve stuff. In fact, you'll find he had his licence to practice taken away by the AMA.

His programs work, in my experience, every time, no matter the condition, no matter the age, but you gotta do it, and don't expect it to be just a root vegetable and an incense stick.

He's not the only one, but a damn good place to start, and he's not too far off the conventional track.

In an attempt to get this thread back on Track, I will say that I don't have an issue with vaccines per se, it's with the stuff they use as a perservative I have issues with.
Why did they need to put a mercury-based ingredient into something that could save lives?

As far as the increase in autism, I'd love to hear a reason or theory on this increase

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MOD NOTE: Now that we are back on the topic, please let's stay on topic

reply to post by RogerT


By the way, I never claimed I cured anyone. I can't

I merely passed on information and held hands.

Regardless of your comments, that does take a great deal of time, effort and energy.

I should now be in bed making love with my wife, instead I am spending 30 minutes conversing with a total stranger in an attempt to shake his beliefs about health enough so he can move towards living a happier and healthier life.

Review your posts and you'll begin to understand my reticence.

I now await the sarcasm, attacks, name calling and other assorted pleasantries

edit since seeing mod post, and comment to mods.
I apologise, for taking the thread off topic.

comment to Boondock.
U2U from now on, or start a new thread if you want to go further

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reply to post by DontTreadOnMe


jazzerman has a really good post on page one about the mercury.
i don't think it talks about the 'why' part but i think he might have a pretty good idea

reply to post by Jazzerman


I am interested in your resaerch here and have a few questions.

1. Do we know if even these small amounts of lead can harm or not harm newborns, and the very young when they are vaccninated with mercury-laced vaccines?
2. What could be reasons for the rise in autism and similar conditions if it is not the mercury?
3. Why was the mercury removed if it was NOT a danger to the very young?

Thanks.

Here is some very interesting research done on the toxicity's of Mercury.

I started a new thread on Is Mercury Toxic?

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Why did they need to put a mercury-based ingredient into something that could save lives?

Simple; To save/make money.

The Pharma-Corps that produce these vaccines don't do so out of the goodness of their hearts or any feelings of humanity. They do it to make a buck. Since there's not a whole lot of competition, the nature of Capitalism dictates that they use the cheapest possible methods to produce their product. This includes bulk production and storage rather than production on (or in anticipation of) demand.

Since these Pharma-Corps tend to be very large lobbiests/campaign contributers, they have been steadily eroding/avoiding regulation for years. Thus, they get away with putting this kind of crap their product.

As far as the increase in autism, I'd love to hear a reason or theory on this increase

A friend of mine is a specialist who works with Autistic children. She was telling me a couple interesting theories. I don't have time to look 'em up for links, ATM, but I'll jot 'em down quick.

Lack of protein during pregnancy leading to malformed neural pathways.
Extensive electro-magnetic field pollution causing problems in brain development.
No real increase, just more children being labeled as Autistic just like what happened with ADD.

As a mother of 2 and an RN I vaccinated both my babies. My daughter
is fine. My son however has aspergers syndrome. He was developmentally on target until he received his MMR at 18 months. To watch a perfectly
healthy baby regress is heartbreaking. If I had it all to do again I would
definitely opt out. Life for him as well as us has been very difficult.

I do believe there is a direct link between the preservative thermisol(sp.)
and autism. It is my understanding that the mercury that is present gets
deposited in the brain. I also believe there is a genetic predisposition for
autism.

As a parent I would never tell another parent what I think they should do
regarding this delicate matter. However, until autism touches you personally and you experience such a devestating change in your own child,I think it is very irresponsible to say these 2 have no correlation.
Plain and simple there needs to be more research.

Do a little research on Louis Pasteur...the history of the smallpox vaccine. Or the same on Polio or any of the others. When you have gained the knowledge of history, then you might be more able to benefit from those lessons.

People in the USA are too pampered these days. Most of these diseases have all but been eradicated. Very few of the protesters or antis have ever had to watch their loved ones gasping out their last breaths in the grasp of polio or smallpox.

I would bet that puts a whole different light on it.

How about these tidbits?

~Smallpox killed an estimated 60 million Europeans, including five reigning European monarchs, in the 18th century alone (Wikipedia)

~Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths in the 20th century (Wikipedia)

Think about that if you are considering keeping your children out of the vaccination programs.

Raf

NO Cold medicine for Children under 6

I guess cough medieines have no effect on children under 6 and can cause defects.

I figured I should just post this here instead of a new thread.

Originally posted by Raf_50

How about these tidbits?

~Smallpox killed an estimated 60 million Europeans, including five reigning European monarchs, in the 18th century alone (Wikipedia)

~Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths in the 20th century (Wikipedia)

Think about that if you are considering keeping your children out of the vaccination programs.

Raf

Your tidbits are about as valuable as an ashtray on a motorbike.

in England and Wales there was a continuing decline in the annual death rate from smallpox, with a reduction in mortality of roughly 300 per million to virtually 0, taking place in the 60 year period following the middle of the last century. This table further illustrates that the progressive rate of decline was severely disrupted--with a roughly 275 percent increase in mortality from the disease--occurring immediately after smallpox vaccination laws were enforced

www.whale.to...

Originally posted by Raf_50

Do a little research on Louis Pasteur...the history of the smallpox vaccine. Or the same on Polio or any of the others. When you have gained the knowledge of history, then you might be more able to benefit from those lessons.

Raf

Why don't you take your own advice, as you don't seem to have much historical knowledge to show, and if you do, then why not post some.

This guy has done plenty of research though:

Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA)

Here's a couple of quotes from him:

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."

"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway."



Here is an interesting quote on the polio vaccine being administered in Uganda:


"At the main hospital in Mbarara during that month of 1977 more than 600 children had died following polio vaccination. 600 children ! So even some of the timid medical practitioners who were initially afraid to come out, started coming out giving information and saying 'Oh, we knew this oral polio vaccine was trouble because as soon as the child receives it, they get a temper-ature and their health goes downhill and there is nothing that you could do.' "----Kihura Nkuba (Nov 2002)



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This is kinda gettin out of hand, it must be important. I spent this morning trying to find a medical doctor to replace a letter I had from a doctor in another city. It said that I am allergic to mercury and should not have it in any dental work. Yes, silver fillings are half mercury. The dentists and workers are strictly warned not to touch it, but it is ok to put it in peoples mouths. I read an article by a famous doctor in Orange County, Dr. Jonathan Wright, where he stated he believed the mercury was a contributing factor in allergies. I have had asthma, hayfever, and cat allergies since my first silver filling. I had them all removed and replaced with composite white. Now, no hayf, no allergies, and I rarely get sick. The ADA was created when the existing organisation refused to endorse putting the most poisonous metal to man in peoples mouths. So the marketers of the filling material created the ADA, and drove the old one out of business. Historical fact, look it up. I have had dentists, sworn to do no harm-yeah right, tell me that my allergies were all in my head, and I became back to normal after removing the fillings. Sounds like they had a braindectomy to me. And there is NO medical evidence that the flu vaccine prevents anything, but it makes them stinkin rich. Oh, I need the letter for my insurance to cover anything but mercury fillings. And the rate of autism in CHINA was almost nil, until they started mandating vaccines, previously unavailable. Now, a huge spike in autism. Now, everyone obviously won't come down with it. There are a lot of factors that go into this including genes, diet, environment, and a host of others. But it is a biggy. If they determined that you had a 85% chance of living from a rollercoaster, would you go on it? Little like Russian Roulette, da? Get the vaccines, but inSIST on nonpoison, or nonmercury/thimoserol. I don't think I spelled that right, but it is a derivative of mercury.

"Most people believe the decline of tuberculosis is due to the introduction of the antibiotic. But our perspective is wrong, our time frame is wrong, and our conclusion is wrong as well. Most people are, in effect, looking only at a few exciting and vivid happenings within their lifetime, the past forty to fifty years, basing their conclusions on this familiar but very restricted evidence.

A longer view reveals that most of the total decline of deaths from tuberculosis since the 1800s occurred before streptomycin was first introduced. By 1945, 97 percent of the cases had already been eliminated, leaving only the remaining 3 percent to be improved by the modern medical treatments. The dramatic emptying of the hospitals that many of us and our parents have observed, then, wasonly the very end of the massive improvement.

Tuberculosis is not unusual: Similar reductions occurred with pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, measles, and scarlet fever. Whooping cough(pertussis) was rampant in the late 1800s, killing over one in each thousand children. Yet today deaths from whooping cough are rare. Once again, credit often goes to the pertussis immunization, which was introduced in the 1950s. But by that time the death rate had already fallen by 90 percent.

Polio is, of course, a notable exception. This viral disease was rare before the late 19th century, but since then has occured in epidemics. The death rate from the disease, along with the incidence of crippling disabilities, dropped dramatically following the introduction of the polio vaccine in 1956. Nevertheless, the trendin death rates from nearly all the infectious diseases was markedly downward, with the majority of the decline occuring before the introduction of effective medical therapies or immunizations.

Since most of the improvement occurred before the devlopment of specific medical interventions, what accounts for this decline of the infectious diseases? The advances in agriculture in the 18th and 19th centuries allowed people to eat much more varied and nutritious foods. Better nourished people had better immunity, too, and could thus resist better the infectious diseases. The farmer, not the doctor, was most important.

Other interventions helped: The purification of water, improved sewage disposal, and better food hygiene together account for roughly one-fifth of the total decline in infectious disease mortality. Pasteurization of milk, the food most likely to spread disease, was probably the major reason for the decrease in deaths from gastroenteritis and for the decline in infant mortality from diarrheal diseases from about 1900. Again, it was a social change, led by the food handler and sewage engineer rather than the heroics of the doctor, that deserves the credit.

Medicine has made some contribution to health, but its interventions in diseases have been greatly overemphasized as to their real effectiveness and worth to society. The contemporary health and medical effort has, in large part, been misdirected, misspent, and its successes misattributed.

The question of what improves health needs to be turned around entirely from our emphasis upon the relief of sick individuals. People are healthier today not because they recieve all this well-publicized better treatment when ill, but simply because they tend not to become ill in the first place.

It is not as profitable as we imagine to focus almost exclusively upon "specific etiology" of diseases, spending all our research funds to isolate identifiable agents of diseases, whether they be germs, viruses, or, according to one of the terms currently in vogue, "stressors." We should rather consider the ways in which organisms remain stable in the changing world of emergencies, germs, and threats---stable to resist infection and other disorders. We might then discover the way this resistance can be strengthened.

Originally posted by bubbabuddha
Polio is, of course, a notable exception. This viral disease was rare before the late 19th century, but since then has occured in epidemics. The death rate from the disease, along with the incidence of crippling disabilities, dropped dramatically following the introduction of the polio vaccine in 1956. Nevertheless, the trendin death rates from nearly all the infectious diseases was markedly downward, with the majority of the decline occuring before the introduction of effective medical therapies or immunizations.

At first look, this does tend to support the vaccine theory, but closer inspection reveals quite a bit of evidence to challenge the polio vaccine efficacy, like all the others.

Look into research by Viera Scheibner Ph.D
"Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis.......According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That's where all those 30,000 - 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination"

reply to post by RogerT


that's the problem, we do not have first hand access to trustworthy long-term medical records, re-diagnosing means nothing, using the buzzword superbug doesn't either. take the following example:

Flesh-eating germ kills woman in three days.

the article linked does not really go into detail regarding symptoms and progression and while the timeframe is quite short, i wonder if this case looked like ordinary blood poisoning to the untrained eye, if you know what i mean.

The bottom line is that there's really no reason to willingly swallow anything from people who are willingly putting thiomersal into strangers (still, think flu shots) while alledgedly declining vaccines for themselves and their relatives more often than any other single group. if someone could confirm that last point it would be greatly appreciated.

[edit on 20.10.2007 by Long Lance]