UK UFO

[edit on 17-10-2007 by guyfrom2007]

What? They got a new shipment of IPhones? The situation is more critical than I thought.

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Edit: The little "give me a break" guy.

[edit on 17-10-2007 by DeadFlagBlues]

Here's a thought: what if these alleged UFOs are actually secret military black projects? I mean the Stealth bomber was developed 20-30 years before the public was informed of it's existence. Doesn't it also stand to reason that the military has something high-tech that may seem out-of-this world to the regular Joe?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

-- Arthur C. Clarke

What I want to know is where is the PROOF that these crafts were built based on extraterrestrial technology?

Sure, our militaries might have these crafts, but how exactly do you know they weren't built and created solely by humans?

If anything, the thin line that seperates man and alien technology should be rewritten like this.

"Probably the reason why so many people claim to see black triangular crafts all across the world." We've had stealth technology since the 70's that's dark, triangular, and quiet. This would be the next stage of this very same technology. It's not that we're getting closer to alien technology but they're finally releasing confidential weaponry that many people may have suspected as being alien craft before it was made known to the public..

reply to post by Diplomat


Because they're still fairly basic. Jet propulsion. Conventional flight pattern. Straight, up or down. Left or right, instead of backwards, upwards, downwards forwards. Once you see them shattering the laws of physics then you should be concerned. This is a new dance to an old song.

I think this sudden flurry of claims that this or that advanced technology is of extra-terrestrial origin stems from two main reasons.

1. A general lack of awareness on the technological progression of humanity as a species.
2. The Transformers (2007) film.

The first point is self-explanatory. The second point I figured by correlating the rise in such claims which coincided with the release of the film. Most people lack imagination, so it certainly seems plausible to me.

I don't think the transformers movie has much to do at all with people thinking that military crafts are reverse-engineered from alien technology. People have been saying that for decades...

reply to post by Beachcoma


Exactly!

People don't give human beings the recognition we deserve. These technologies are easily attainable through current means. I don't understand why it would be a vast conspiracy or some divine intervention by beings that haven't proven their existance to give us better technology for more mass death.

And maybe they have a lack of imagination and too much in the same token.

OK. History lesson.

There was once a Russian mathematician called Pyotr Ufimtsev.

He was a clever chap and he worked out - in the 1960's - how to calculate the radar cross section across a large flat plate surface.

However, the senior soviet military planners paid no attention to him and, in a strange quirk of fate, allowed his papers to be published internationally.

His work was obscure, and almost forgotten until another clever chap, Denys Overholser happened upon his paper in the mid 1970's and thought that it would make the good basis for a cimputer programme to aid his employers, Lockheed Martin, in their quest to produce better airplanes.

As he perfected his - rather basic by todays standards - computer programme he realised that it may be possible to build an airplane, albeit an odd looking one, out of flat plats (because thats all his programme could calculate) pieced together. He took that idea to Ben Rich, the then head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, and the F-117 was born, initially as a test bed project called Have Blue in 1977/78, and then into production by about 1980.

And there wasn't a single alien involved.

As computer power progressed, it became possible to claculate the radar cross section of millions of tiny plates, and eventually curves, and that technology led to the development of the B2.

No aliens required.

The only thing that makes stealth planes different from other planes is their shape. Inside them there is all the usual stuff that you'd find in an aircraft, flight controls, jet engines etc.

So - how do you derive that the UK has "alien technology"?



[edit on 17/1007/07 by neformore]

I see where this is going. We seem to have some proponents for the "UFOs are manmade" argument.

I suggest you guys read up on Otis Carr and Ralph Ring if you haven't already. These guys supposedly cracked the free-energy system many years ago and were shut down by the government. If these guys could do it, imagine what our governments and militaries can do...

Originally posted by Diplomat
I don't think the transformers movie has much to do at all with people thinking that military crafts are reverse-engineered from alien technology. People have been saying that for decades...

People have been wrong for decades. Natural propulsion, propeller propulsion, jet propulsion, jet propulsion with a stealth exterior. What's so advanced about that? The wedge design has been around since the 50's too, and even had a stint with propeller motors. It's just boring old earthly physics.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues

People have been wrong for decades. Natural propulsion, propeller propulsion, jet propulsion, jet propulsion with a stealth exterior. What's so advanced about that? The wedge design has been around since the 50's too, and even had a stint with propeller motors. It's just boring old earthly physics.

True, but the reports that stand out are those that describe crafts that move in all types of crazy directions... basically defying physics. Those are the cases that make you wonder...

Originally posted by Diplomat
I see where this is going. We seem to have some proponents for the "UFOs are manmade" argument.

I suggest you guys read up on Otis Carr and Ralph Ring if you haven't already. These guys supposedly cracked the free-energy system many years ago and were shut down by the government. If these guys could do it, imagine what our governments and militaries can do...

You've uncovered logic in your own reply. If we as a people can supposedly stumble upon free energy, why would something like a stealth fighter be so far fetched?

No alien tech here even though I'd entertain the notion backed by some fact. I do find it odd that UK never developed it's own significant space program as the US, CCCP, Canada, France, China, India etc. It would seemed a natural thing for the UK to be a leader in. Never figured that out. Sure it could've been economic reasons... I can't say there's a secret space program anywhere but if there was... I'd like to think that the UK figured into that.

Cheers,

Vic

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues

People have been wrong for decades. Natural propulsion, propeller propulsion, jet propulsion, jet propulsion with a stealth exterior. What's so advanced about that? The wedge design has been around since the 50's too, and even had a stint with propeller motors. It's just boring old earthly physics.

True, but the reports that stand out are those that describe crafts that move in all types of crazy directions... basically defying physics. Those are the cases that make you wonder...

Reports. There's been "reports" of all things wildly unexplainable. Ufologists (that's the shiny title they've given themselves, right?) are pure speculation. If there is this overwhelming presence of UFO's there has to be SOLID evidence of them being here.

I'm coming off ornery and I don't mean to be. As you can see by my grammatical errors I need to take a nap. Too bad sleep is for the dead and people not as awesome as me.

Humans. That's it. Humans. Give your species some credit.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues


You've uncovered logic in your own reply. If we as a people can supposedly stumble upon free energy, why would something like a stealth fighter be so far fetched?

That's basically what I am trying to say. I think you have me confused with the alien bunch. I tend to lean towards the side of UFOs being man-made.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
I'm coming off ornery and I don't mean to be. As you can see by my grammatical errors I need to take a nap. Too bad sleep is for the dead and people not as awesome as me.

Humans. That's it. Humans. Give your species some credit.

Okay, you have me confused with this post. Please don't tell me you are claiming to be non-human...

reply to post by Diplomat


My point was this recent increase in claims of mundane things as being somehow related to alien technology. At least claims from the past were for really extraordinary technologies backed by compelling reasoning. These days it's any and every thing mankind could come up with. And those sort of claims seem to have increased greatly shortly after The Transformers film.

Granted, the technology in the OP is far from mundane, but still, it's not that far out considering what we have today available to the public.