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Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by jfj123
Thanks for pointing out that Mr. Copperfield didn't make the Statue of Liberty disappear . This proves what?
I just perused your postings "jf" and there seems to be a pattern, : personal attacks
, misdirections ,
and obfuscations .
Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
reply to post by jfj123
I did not claim anything about holograms. I stated that I don't think "magicians" are making objects that are shown audiences to physically vanish.
By the way, please keep replying to me. The more time you spend attacking me is less time you can spend attacking somebody who does not realize what you are and might get discouraged by your senseless barrage of attacks. Carry on!
Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
reply to post by Pilgrum
If only you would apply your ‘strict standards’ of proof to the real planes were used on 9-11 scenario.
Why is it more likely (than advanced hologram technology) to you that four giant passenger planes, some of the biggest ones made — the same type as used on trans-Atlantic flights — purportedly completely vanished on 9-11?
You may think holograms are unrealistic. Well, thus far no one has postulated anything more plausible. The presence of real aircraft does not fit what was observed, there was no wreckage. Holograms just might be the explanation for what some claim they saw.
Originally posted by Pilgrum
In the case of the towers, planes were extensively witnessed approaching & impacting and pieces of aircraft fell in the streets and on the surrounding rooftops with pedestrians being injured and buildings damaged.
All we ever got for the NYC ‘crashes’ – later on – is pictures of a wheel-well (who know from what), a rusty engine core (wrong model) and a big-ass pile of galvalume building sheetmetal with one small section of aircraft window paneling (again, not from a 757 or 767).
Originally posted by Geemor
Did they found the FDR's (Flight Data Recorder) from the wreckage?
a) no
b) yes
if a, could be holograms. if b, not likely to be holograms. i assume that most of the plane went inside the building, and got finally disintegrated when the towers collapsed, hence no aircraft scrap were visible in wrecks... i would imagine tho, that FDR's have a change of surviving, or at least pieces of them could've been found? no? after all, atta's passport survived, then the FDR's should've also.
[edit on 9-2-2008 by Geemor]
Originally posted by Pilgrum
Check this pic of AA11 landing gear embedded in an outer wall section torn from the exit side of WTC1...
Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Originally posted by Pilgrum
Check this pic of AA11 landing gear embedded in an outer wall section torn from the exit side of WTC1...
Pilgrum:
Thanks for the image link. I feel for you. You’ve got a difficult ‘job’ – in trying to debunk 9-11 truthers.
Had there been real actual plane crashes at the WTC’s, the streets would have been covered with hulking wreckage. The ‘news’ crews would have been filming nothing but that, instead of slowly smoking towers. They didn’t know that the buildings were going to come down – or did they?
Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods
Originally posted by Pilgrum
That looks like a 'hulking' piece of wreckage to me and the intact WTC2 gives us a fairly tight timeframe in which the pic was shot don't you think?
Unless they re-erected a tower in order to fake a few pics
There's hordes of other pics but I guess if your mind is made up...
BTW I'm not totally convinced about every aspect reported on the day or 'officially' in later years but I have ZERO doubt about planes striking the towers.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
reply to post by Pilgrum
The picture does NOT show any ' wheel well ' anywhere. It says, in words, that one is in a window. Where are the photos of it?
Originally posted by jfj123
May I respectfully ask what technology you have seen or understand which makes you believe a hologram of this type if possible?
Originally posted by Geemor
Originally posted by jfj123
May I respectfully ask what technology you have seen or understand which makes you believe a hologram of this type if possible?
i merely pointed it out as a possibility, not saying that i would consider it as a fact. people in other circumstances have seen things which may or may have not been what they saw; mass hypnotization could be considered, that would also explain why eyewitnesses have seen various stuff.
dont take me wrong. i'm not saying that this happened, but i wouldn't either exclude everything that haven't got clear and specified explanation.