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The Hologram Theory is dead

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posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Problem is hologram projects that big are mostly still classified. Their are only a few hologram projects on the market.

Like the following:
www.heliodisplay.eu...


And how do you know they are classified? And if they are classified, then how would you know they even have the technology to perform something so elaborate? How is it anything more than a guess? We see the holograms in your link, which is pretty much what most of us expect in the realm of holograms. Interesting, but anything but convincing.

So how do you (proverbial you) know they have the technology to create holograms of so much greater magnitude? For those claiming holograms were used, how are they doing anything other than making a big guess?



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by snoopy
Perhaps someone can present an example of a hologram being used in a similar event. Not so much a plane hitting a building, but in a way where holograms have been used and can convince people they are real by presenting shadows, sounds, and moving physical objects etc.


Problem is hologram projects that big are mostly still classified. Their are only a few hologram projects on the market.

Like the following:
www.heliodisplay.eu...


But that can't be because Mr. Lear claims as fact that those planes were holograms. Surely it would be incredibly irresponsible to claim a fact that cannot be corroberated in any way? That would be like pushing disinformation, wouldn't it?
Although helio display technology is a big leap forward, it is FAR, FAR, FAR from what Mr. Lear is claiming.
I do appreciate the fact that you did some research and presented it
Greatly appreciated !



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by snoopy
And how do you know they are classified? And if they are classified, then how would you know they even have the technology to perform something so elaborate? How is it anything more than a guess? We see the holograms in your link, which is pretty much what most of us expect in the realm of holograms. Interesting, but anything but convincing.


Well maybe becasue i have access to some more resources that you do, being that i am a government analyst.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Well maybe becasue i have access to some more resources that you do, being that i am a government analyst.


And maybe I have even higher resources than you and work even higher up in the government than you. We can all play this game. The bottom line is that as far as I have seen the hologram people have not provided any substantial basis for such claims. Yeah, John Lear may seem to have more resources too. But he also thinks everything that ever happened is a conspiracy no matter what the issue is.

So simply claiming to have some resources is not evidence. And I don't imagine people with access to such supposed technology sit around talking on discussion forums all day either.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by snoopy
So simply claiming to have some resources is not evidence. And I don't imagine people with access to such supposed technology sit around talking on discussion forums all day either.


Well do you know what the Commando Solo and Compass Call planes are ?


six

posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:44 PM
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I do and I am not sure what they would have to do with the hologram hypothosis.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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And that's supposed to prove that the government had holograms that can produce sound, cast shadows, and move physical objects?

Hey anything is possible, but what's important here is not whether they actually can do it or not, but that the people making the claims are simply making speculation and conjecture and trying to use that to dismiss actual research and evidence.

Hey maybe killer clowns from outer space did it with their superior technology that we don't have access to. While that may sound absurd, how is it any different if our claims are simply based on what we can imagine?



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by six I do and I am not sure what they would have to do with the hologram hypothosis.


Becasue those are the types of aircraft that would have a hologram in them. They are for psy ops.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by snoopy
So simply claiming to have some resources is not evidence. And I don't imagine people with access to such supposed technology sit around talking on discussion forums all day either.


Well do you know what the Commando Solo and Compass Call planes are ?



Compass Call is the designation for a modified version of Lockheed corporation's C-130 Hercules aircraft configured to perform tactical command, control and communications countermeasures or C3CM. Targeting command and control systems provides commanders with an immense advantage before and during the air campaign. COMPASS CALL provides a non-lethal means of denying and disrupting enemy command and control, degrading his combat capability and reducing losses to friendly forces.

The EC-130H Compass Call is the only US wide-area offensive information warfare platform, Compass Call provides disruptive communications jamming and other unique capabilities to support the Joint Force Commander across the spectrum of conflict. Specifically, the modified aircraft uses noise jamming to prevent communication or degrade the transfer of information essential to command and control of weapon systems and other resources. It primarily supports tactical air operations but also can provide jamming support to ground force operations.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by snoopy
So simply claiming to have some resources is not evidence. And I don't imagine people with access to such supposed technology sit around talking on discussion forums all day either.


Well do you know what the Commando Solo and Compass Call planes are ?


COMMANDO SOLO
The EC-130E ABCCC consists of seven aircraft that are used as an Airborne Battlefield Command and Control Center. The EC-130E is a modified C-130 "Hercules"; aircraft designed to carry the USC-48 Airborne Battlefield Command and Control Center Capsules (ABCCC III). These one-of-a kind aircraft include the addition of external antennae to accommodate the vast number of radios in the capsule, heat exchanger pods for additional air conditioning, an aerial refueling system and special mounted rails for uploading and downloading the USC-48 capsule. The ABCCC has distinctive air conditioner intakes fore of the engines ("Mickey Mouse ears"), two HF radio probes-towards the tips of both wings, and three mushroom-shaped antennas on the top of the aircraft - and, of course, numerous antennas on the belly.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by snoopy
So simply claiming to have some resources is not evidence. And I don't imagine people with access to such supposed technology sit around talking on discussion forums all day either.


Well do you know what the Commando Solo and Compass Call planes are ?


They both aerial command and control centers for theater observation and jamming.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by six I do and I am not sure what they would have to do with the hologram hypothosis.


Becasue those are the types of aircraft that would have a hologram in them. They are for psy ops.


They're C&C centers. Also, if they did have holo technology, they could have easily projected stationary targets if they could project moving targets RIGHT?

Well then here's something that could have helped avoid the whole Iraq WMD garbage. Simply project stationary targets, call other countries and tell them where they are, have them take pictures, INSTANT PROOF
They could have projected easily discernible weapons installations to give absolute proof to other countries



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Well then here's something that could have helped avoid the whole Iraq WMD garbage. Simply project stationary targets, call other countries and tell them where they are, have them take pictures, INSTANT PROOF
They could have projected easily discernible weapons installations to give absolute proof to other countries


The Compass Call projects decoys and is used for jamming.

Well there are the buried MIGs we found with the baaned equipment. Also the reports from defectors that most of the WMD material was moved to Syria.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
Well then here's something that could have helped avoid the whole Iraq WMD garbage. Simply project stationary targets, call other countries and tell them where they are, have them take pictures, INSTANT PROOF
They could have projected easily discernible weapons installations to give absolute proof to other countries


The Compass Call projects decoys and is used for jamming.

Well there are the buried MIGs we found with the baaned equipment. Also the reports from defectors that most of the WMD material was moved to Syria.



Compass Call uses Electronic Countermeasures against enemy targets along with C&C abililties.

Electronic countermeasures (ECM) are a subsection of electronic warfare which includes any sort of electrical or electronic device designed to fool radar, sonar, or other detection systems like IR (infrared) and Laser. It may be used both offensively or defensively in any method to deny targeting information to an enemy. The system may make many separate targets appear to the enemy, or make the real target appear to disappear or move about randomly. It is used effectively to protect aircraft from guided missiles. Most air forces use ECM to protect their aircraft from attack.

They don't use HOLOGRAMS to fool and jam enemy radar.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by johnlear
all airline traffic usually goes north into San Francisco



Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by craig732


I have a house very close to Newark Airport.

On different days, or even different hours, the planes will approach or depart the airport from different directions depending on wind direction.

Why do they do things differently in California?


Well the guys were 25 miles south of San Francisco International. The airplane flew over at 500 feet headed southbound. SFO is 25 miles north. An average altitude for 25 miles out is between 6000 and 8000 feet. And when they are that low it is customary for the airplane to be headed towards the airport. Not away.

Thanks for the post.


Oh, by the way. In California when airplanes are too low, headed in the wrong direction, apparently they turn 'em out like a light.


Mr. Lear: You artfully evaded answering my question.

Why in California does all airline traffic usually go north into San Fransisco, when in other parts of the country the landing pattern is determined by wind direction?

Also, another poster mentioned another airport much closer than San Fransisco is to the location you specified. If you need, I can quote it, but I am sure you read it. Why did you or your freinds think the plane was heading for or departing from San Francisco if there was another airport very close to where they were?


I am certainly glad Mr. Lear is back on this thread.

I am hoping he can please address my questions above.

Thanks.


Sorry to keep reposting this, but I am waiting for Mr. Lear to answer the 2 questions I posed to him.

So "Bump".

I am going to keep bumping this until I receive an answer.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
They don't use HOLOGRAMS to fool and jam enemy radar.


Yes, i know how aircraft jammers work.

If any aircraft have it, it would be them.

www.af.mil...

The system disrupts enemy command and control communications and limits adversary coordination essential for enemy force management. The Compass Call system employs the offensive counterinformation and electronic attack or EA capabilities in support of U.S. and Coalition tactical air, surface, and special operations forces. Programmed upgrades will expand its mission by procuring a secondary EA capability against early warning and acquisition radars.



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
They don't use HOLOGRAMS to fool and jam enemy radar.


Yes, i know how aircraft jammers work.

If any aircraft have it, it would be them.

www.af.mil...

The system disrupts enemy command and control communications and limits adversary coordination essential for enemy force management. The Compass Call system employs the offensive counterinformation and electronic attack or EA capabilities in support of U.S. and Coalition tactical air, surface, and special operations forces. Programmed upgrades will expand its mission by procuring a secondary EA capability against early warning and acquisition radars.



OK, sorry. I thought you were actually saying they did indeed have them. You see, alot of people infer things here and twist things around. Sorry I jumped the gun



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 05:05 PM
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"if one UFO video is debunked, then they all are fake."

This is not even close to what I implied.

I stated that if you debunk holograms you also debunk hardware-based UFO's - as both require technology innovations outside of your present sphere of knowledge.

and I even gave you the option that one might wish to argue that UFO's (on a case by case basis if you like) are less sophisticated technology than atmospheric holograms?

Best,
scrap



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 05:06 PM
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Because you simply cannot imagine that something is impossible, does not make it impossible.

The military has been slamming planes into walls for quite some time... Why can't people have studied the high-speed film from those to develop a method of timing?

The planes and the explosions did not match exactly as you claim, there is a brief flash or what some people describe as orbs (or whatever) right before the plane appears to hit.

You could TRY to eyeball the explosion with the graphic hitting.
You could probably write a computer program to trigger everything automatically...
On and on and on I could go with this... but I gotta go to work =p

The theory is not dead. It's still just a theory.

[edit on 10/18/07 by Angry Danish]



posted on Oct, 18 2007 @ 05:09 PM
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"To say a UFO is a hologram takes no where near the technology we saw exibited at the WTC"

As I suggested you seem to say that UFO's are not real - but holograms.

Just less complex ones - because they dont crash into buildings that explode!



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