The Hologram Theory is dead

CGI? How? Live TV broadcasts from several stations all have CGI imposed over them? On top of that somehow the government got ahold of everyones personal tapes, stole them, edited in the CGI, then returned them? The leap of CGI on a live broadcast is hard enough, but how in the world does the personal video footage have CGI on it that exactly matches? No Way...

There might very well be a conspiracy in 9/11. I'm not discounting that fact at all, it just wasn't holographic planes. If you watch a movie, and there is an explosion on the screen, real wreckage doesnt fly out of the screen... that simple. Holograms can not create real plane wreckage, not one hologram theory can explain this very very very very important fact. It's not a small fact you can over look either, it's the proof they were not holograms. Holograms dont leave behind physical wreckage.

reply to post by Wizard_In_The_Woods


This isnt a good indicator of a conspiracy. My father died over two years ago. I reported his death to SSA, and he still does not show up on the list. Have you talked to all of the families to see if they infact reported their loved ones as deceased? You are making the assumption that the goverment is effiecent, when it has proven itself over and over again to the contrary.

reply to post by johnlear


Dear Mr. Lear,

It is too early for me to make a reasoned judgement on the holographic explanation, as I am fairly new to conspiracism. But it is clear to me you are running into a lot of resistance, not because it is fundamentally impossible the 9/11 events were faked, but because both the technologies invoked, and the sinister motives of its perpetrators are beyond normal reason and imagination. If you are as sincere as truthful, you are trying to describe something truly alien.

How desperate a war are we in, if a government considers the victims and rescuers who perished in the Twin Towers as expendable for some strategic gain?

Your theory is scaring readers, because it doesn't just propose a terrorist event was staged, it actually opens up the possibility that the world as we know it, REALITY is staged.

I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.

smilodon

[edit on 17/10/07 by smilodon]

ATTN: NO-HOLOGRAM CHAMPIONS

Please be advised that every UFO scam you now register can not be a HOLOGRAM!

While unquestionably debate champions - logic rules say you cant have it both ways. Said another way - any report of unidentified objects in the sky up to the date 9/11 - are either natural phenom's or people's misperception / misrepresentation.

reply to post by Wizard_In_The_Woods


So, people missing from the database (no surprise really if families did not report the deaths) equals no planes? Before making such a massive leap, would you not first assume that the planes were empty (given that you see planes in every bit of footage and given the eye-witness reports) and not that they did not exist? Hokum!

Your "no plane" assertions (in an earlier post) in no way prove there were no planes.

reply to post by G-Man.usa


How can families not report the deaths of their members? Doesn’t such an omission have consequences? How do the families deal with all of the deceased’s legal obligations? Can next of kin still collect life insurance or annuity payments? How did they receive compensation from the 9-11 Victims’ Fund? Can anyone just show up without documentation (death certificate) and demand money? This is crazy. This cannot be. Something is very out of whack.

Dizzied and Dazed,
The Wizard In The Woods

PLANE HUGGERS: MAKE SOME BIG BUCK$$$$$

Attention: Anybody reading or posting on this thread who thinks a Boeing 767 crashed into the World Trade Center on 911 is urgently invited to contact the following defendants in the lawsuit FILED UNDER SEAL QUI TAM COMPLAINT and JURY DEMAND
DOCKET NO. May 31, 2007
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK:


SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.;
APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
BOEING; NuSTATS; COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.;
DATASOURCE, INC.; GEOSTAATS, INC.;
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP;
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC.; AJMAL ABBASI;
EDUARDO KAUSEL; DAVID PARKS;
DAVID SHARP; DANIELE VENEZANO;
JOSEF VAN DYCK; KASPAR WILLIAM;
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC;
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.;
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & :HEGER, INC.;
S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC.;
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP;
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC.;
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.;
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC.;
AMERICAN AIRLINES; SILVERSTEIN PROPERTIES;
and UNITED AIRLINES,

These guys are getting sued by Morgan Reynolds in New York District Court. (FILED UNDER SEAL QUI TAM COMPLAINT and JURY DEMAND DOCKET NO. May 31, 2007). Morgan Reynolds says there were no planes. He's a 'no planer'. The difference between Morgan Reynolds and the rest of us 'no planers' is Morgan Reynolds is putting his money where his mouth is.

So what I am saying here is if you think an airplane went into the WTC towers you need to call these guys up and say, "Hey an airplane went into the World Trade Center towers and I can prove it!"

Believe me these guys will welcome you with open arms because right now they are hurting pretty bad and you will likely get showered with money. You know why?

Ever heard of Rule 11?

Rule 11 of the Federal Rules For Civil Procedure for the United States District Courts (amendments received to February 10, 2006) states that Signing of Pleadings, Motions, and other papers; Representations to Court, Sanctions, specifically states in (a)(3)” The allegations and other factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, are likely to have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery”.

I point this out because the Court, under Rule 11 (c) Sanctions, can “If, after notice and a reasonable opportunity to respond, the court determines that subdivision (b) has been violated, the court may, subject to the conditions stated below, impose an appropriate sanction upon the attorneys, law firms, or parties that have violated subdivision (b) or are responsible for the violation.

These sanctions include (Rule 11 (1)(A) (excerpt) “If warranted, the court may award to the party prevailing on the motion the reasonable expenses and attorney’s fees incurred in presenting or opposing the motion. Absent exceptional circumstances, a law firm shall be held jointly responsible for violations committed by its partners, associates, and employees”.

What this means, of course, is that if Morgan Reynolds and his attorney Jerry V. Leaphart & Associates., P.P. can’t prove their allegations against:

Science Applications International Corp.
Applied Research Associates, Inc. Boeing; NuStates; Computer Aided Engineering Associates, Inc.
Datasource, Inc.; Geostats, Inc.;
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP;
Hughes Associates, Inc.; Ajmal Abbasi;
Eduardo Kausel; David Parks;
David Sharp; Daniel Venezana;
Josef Van Dyck; Kaspar William;
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.
Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers, P.C.;
Simpson Gumpertz & :Heger, Inc.;
S.K.Ghosh Associates, Inc.;
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, LLP.
Teng & Associates, Inc.;
Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.;
Wiss, Janney, Elstner Associates, Inc.;
American Airlines; Silverstein Properties;
And United Airlines,

they are going to owe the above defendants a substantial amount of money in addition to which the Court may impose (Rule 11, (2) (excerpt) “directives of a non monetary nature, an order to pay a penalty into court, or, if imposed on motion and warranted for effective deterrence, an order directing payment to the movant of some or all the reasonable attorneys’ fees and other expenses incurred as a direct result of the violation.

So, I would respectfully and urgently suggest that if you have any information that would help the Court decide the truthfulness of the allegations, specifically any proof that a Boeing 767 actually crashed into the World Trade Center I would strongly recommend that you contact the defendants.

If you think you can prove that any Boeing 767 hit the World Trade Center on 911 you need to contact the above companies IMMEDIATELY if not sooner. They need your help!

Originally posted by smilodon

Your theory is scaring readers, because it doesn't just propose a terrorist event was staged, it actually opens up the possibility that the world as we know it, REALITY is staged.

What is scaring readers is that theories like the hologram theory are nothing but fodder to make the truthers look like complete tin foil hat wearing idiots. Then, when legitimate evidence is brought into question, it will be dismissed as coming from the same nutjobs that said there were no planes.

Originally posted by robert z

What is scaring readers is that theories like the hologram theory are nothing but fodder to make the truthers look like complete tin foil hat wearing idiots. Then, when legitimate evidence is brought into question, it will be dismissed as coming from the same nutjobs that said there were no planes.

Tin Foil Hat Wearing Idiot Reporting For Duty, Sir!!!

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by johnlear
all airline traffic usually goes north into San Francisco

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by craig732

I have a house very close to Newark Airport.

On different days, or even different hours, the planes will approach or depart the airport from different directions depending on wind direction.

Why do they do things differently in California?

Well the guys were 25 miles south of San Francisco International. The airplane flew over at 500 feet headed southbound. SFO is 25 miles north. An average altitude for 25 miles out is between 6000 and 8000 feet. And when they are that low it is customary for the airplane to be headed towards the airport. Not away.

Thanks for the post.

Oh, by the way. In California when airplanes are too low, headed in the wrong direction, apparently they turn 'em out like a light.

Mr. Lear: You artfully evaded answering my question.

Why in California does all airline traffic usually go north into San Fransisco, when in other parts of the country the landing pattern is determined by wind direction?

Also, another poster mentioned another airport much closer than San Fransisco is to the location you specified. If you need, I can quote it, but I am sure you read it. Why did you or your freinds think the plane was heading for or departing from San Francisco if there was another airport very close to where they were?

I am certainly glad Mr. Lear is back on this thread.

I am hoping he can please address my questions above.

Thanks.

I love the hat!!! I can file a lawsuit against anyone for anything. That doesn't mean it has any merit. If I am willing to pay a lawyer money, he will back me up on anything. Especially in a case that gets plublicity. I really doubt those CEO's are loosing sleep over this. I must have missed the part in the offical investigation about the holograms. What page was that on? I think the plantiff should be loosing sleep over this though. He has to compile enough evidence (and the physical evidence is swept away) to bring down an offical government investigation. Alligations, and heresay aren't going to hold much water when your comparing it to first hand accounts from offical investigators who say a plane hit the WTC. That whole prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt thing... isn't going to happen unless he flys into court on a holographic airplane. The companies don't have to prove their case, the government already did that for them. Sorry John, just can't back you on this one... =)

[edit on 17-10-2007 by b309302]

reply to post by craig732
I answered that question for you on the last page I think... like I said not sure if it helps.

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_WoodsHow can families not report the deaths of their members? Doesn’t such an omission have consequences? How do the families deal with all of the deceased’s legal obligations? Can next of kin still collect life insurance or annuity payments? How did they receive compensation from the 9-11 Victims’ Fund? Can anyone just show up without documentation (death certificate) and demand money? This is crazy. This cannot be. Something is very out of whack.

The are only a few reason that you would be obligated to report a person's death to the Social Security Administration: If they are currently receiving Social Security Benefits and those benefits need to be stopped, or if they are currently receiving benefits and the spouse is requesting survivor benefits.

The only documentation you need to collect compensation from the 9/11 fund or from a Life Insurance Policy is a death certificate.

Mystery solved.

[edit on 17-10-2007 by craig732]

reply to post by craig732

sorry, answered on page 9 near the end... wow his thread got big fast

Originally posted by TheJenkster
I'm not totally up on the hologram theory (though I'm getting the gist of it) I do have 1 question though (which may have been answered, or may not be relevant) but if it was a plane travelling at at least a hundred miles an hour.....why didn't it come out the other side??

Planes are built pretty sturdily so I would have expected at least the frame to remain intact and with that momentum, part of it to come out the other side

[edit on 17-10-2007 by TheJenkster]

It's a good observation. Here is a video link that shows the physics of what happened.

www.youtube.com...

Hope this helps give you an idea of what happened to the plane

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Ya’ll about finished? With your rants? It’s beginning to look like slaughterhouse-5 in here — all this hologram theorist bashing. Well, the facts won’t change no matter what is said, there remains a long list of reasons why there were no actual planes crashing on 9-11.

Rather than rattling off all the no-plane indications over and over, I will bring up — once again — the issue of why so many 9-11 victims are not recorded in the SSA Master Death File Database. This is VERY FISHY. People are quite superstitious when it comes to life and death and perhaps these records are something no one has dared to fake.

The best social security death index search engine is www.stevemorse.org....
Why is it that ALL my relatives show up there? Why can I enter famous peoples’ names and they show up? E. g. Elvis Presley, he’s in that database of course. But why are so many of the 9-11 victims NOT REGISTERED? I cannot figure it out. Something is very wrong here. Is this the mother of all conspiracies??

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

That's nice Now show me the physics of how the hologram plane is possible. Something fishy doesn't prove hologram.

I could file a lawsuit against you for supposedly putting that dent in my SUV. This lawsuit would have no merit whatsoever, at least I hope it wasn't you, we both live in Vegas...hmmm now I wonder... I'm sure some lawyer would take my case if I paid cash upfront too. Seriously though... I want a hat like that =)


[edit on 17-10-2007 by b309302]

Originally posted by johnlear
PLANE HUGGERS: MAKE SOME BIG BUCK$$$$$

Attention: Anybody reading or posting on this thread who thinks a Boeing 767 crashed into the World Trade Center on 911 is urgently invited to contact the following defendants in the lawsuit FILED UNDER SEAL QUI TAM COMPLAINT and JURY DEMAND
DOCKET NO. May 31, 2007
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK:

Well since you're so convinced that hologram planes hit the towers, you obviously have proof. Why don't you stop this suit in it's tracks with all your evidence and bring closure to many peoples doubts ?????

Wow. Another hologram thread. Well here goes again.

What is the point?

Why are we debating this? What does this serve exactly? Is it going to tell us who did it? We're just buying into the distraction game.

All that can come from this is the questioning of our own sanity. Wondering what we see is real or not. I don't need those kind of problems.

Shouldn't we be working on trying to expose the WHO in all of this rather than the HOW?

We already have a how. Move on.

[edit on 17-10-2007 by PhotonEffect]