WOW!! Has any tried this yet??? Manipulating randomness live !!

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Well I guess you didn't notice that those were referring to scientific papers done by real scientists in real experiments then. Published in real journals.

Yes we should all know about it, but what if perhaps that there is the slightest chance that they would just be ignored by mainstream science and mainstream media just because it might not fit into the accepted consensus of what our reality is, and what is or is not possible?

No it's just a webpage which links to geniune scientific experiments done in Universities around the world.

definitely matrixing. with absolute randomness like that you really can see anything your brain wants you to see. you can do the same thing with all of the optic nerve firings when your eyes are closed. you can see the splashes of color against the black - visualize something as if you were looking at it. i do it easily, but i don't know if that's normal or not - you'll see something though.

without reading the experiment, or knowing what she was doing, your mom made fuzz into a flock of birds?

rediculous.

I've tried to manipulate fuzz before but never worked for me. Usually it was trying to decode pornography though.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Well I guess you didn't notice that those were referring to scientific papers done by real scientists in real experiments then. Published in real journals.

I did notice. There have been many such studies, results published and all, since the pioneering work done at Duke University in -- what was it, the 1950s? Actually, if we want to consider all scientific studies of 'paranormal' phenomena we may need to go back to Victorian times and the proceedings of the Society for Psychical Research (I believe much of their work was concerned with 'apparitions of the living' -- what you would call an astral projection or Doppelgänger today).

Some of these studies were well-designed and survived critical assessments of their procedure. But -- and here's the rub -- none to date has been replicable in terms of the positive results they claim. At least, that is my strong impression; but perhaps you will be able to set me right on this.

Yes we should all know about it, but what if perhaps that there is the slightest chance that they would just be ignored by mainstream science and mainstream media just because it might not fit into the accepted consensus of what our reality is, and what is or is not possible?

I am not sure if this 'accepted consensus of mainstream science' is the immovable obstacle paranormal enthusiasts usually claim it is (perhaps they should try shifting it by a communal act of telekinesis?) These are not the Middle Ages, and there are any number of forces acting in opposition to the mainstream consensus.

The most important of these is the commercial imperative. If there is any truth in paranormalist claims, there is money to be made from exploiting those truths; and human beings in our day and age are not usually slow to see these opportunities and make the most of them.

A second and very strong influence acting in opposition to the 'mainstream' is people like yourself, Bandit. The general public isn't scientifically minded; many of them see no illogic and indeed a good deal of apparent truth or sense in the things you believe in. Dyed-in-the-wool rationalists like myself are pretty rare. Public opinion is largely, I believe, in favour of the irrational -- religious faith and practice, belief in an afterlife, in ghosts and demons and reincarnation, astrology and other forms of 'seeing the future', New Age 'spirituality', the ideas of Wilhelm Reich which I know you espouse -- all these are, to a greater or lesser extent, popular with the great mass of humanity. Such people are willing to believe, and their voice can often be stronger than that of 'mainstream science'. That's why homeopathic 'remedies' are available from the UK National Health Service, why the media nearly always reports 'paranormal phenomena' sympathetically and credulously, and why sceptics like me have such a hard time of it when we express our doubts. Surely this suggests a strong constituency for paranormal research -- strong enough to obtain a hearing, and funds for research.

It isn't just the mainstream that's holding paranormal research back. It's a lack of paranormality.

No it's just a webpage which links to geniune scientific experiments done in Universities around the world.

Fair enough.