ETs: The gentle invasion

People read the Alien internet sites and choose to believe everything that they read to be true. I too was young and naive once and used to believe everything that was put in front of me. As you get older you get a little wiser and things begin to come into perspective. How people can categorize different alien species is beyond me and it's not the sort of thing you speak of to random people on the street as they would think your mental.

Responses from the OP

Thanks for all the friendly and critical replies. I want to learn as much about all this as you and I am excited about all the experiences shared.


andre 18 writes: i've had so many damn dreams where i suspect, they attempt to converse with me about open-minded stuff, I don’t necessarily understand

Skyfloating responds: same here. lots of intense feelings and visuals, but hardly any comprehension of the knowledge they try to communicate.

Deadangel23: most ET work is done on the Sub-Space region of existence. Just below our physical reality, where the spiritual world exists.

Skyfloating responds: I wasnt aware of Courtney Brown until now. Interesting.

Pjotr writes: The problem with experiences like this is that the seem more real then everyday life. Their impact is deeper, their color brigther, the love seems more real.

Skyfloating responds: Exactly. Imagine having an explosive climax of bliss and then someone coming up and saying "well, its not real. This stuff over hear that doesnt feel like much of anything is real".


hlesterjerome writes: Thing is, our alignment is not “locked.” We can shift our alignment

Skyfloating responds: Great post. Yes, alignment can be shifted to perceive extraterrestrials. Of course this shift in alignment is inhibited by many peoples sense of "unworthiness". Theyd rather believe some expert or superstar to have a UFO-experience than themselves.

Response to tgidkp: Thanks for the support.

Atlantix writes: ...are pure evil, beyond imagination.

Skyfloating responds: I suggest that we are not forced to tune in to that.

Wirrall Bagpuss writes: Hmmmm interesting. I have not been contacted by ET as far as i am aware. So with this talk of personal contact with ailens, does this mean a very lucid dream i had a few years back was a dream or ET contact? The dream was as follows. I was taken aboard a ship and saw the Earth in space for a while and then being taken to a planet. The space craft landed and i was told that the crowd of "people" massed in a square were my people!!! Then after that all i remember really is being flown back to Earth and i woke up. i always thought it was a very lucid dream, a great trip, but nothing more. So your'e saying that was my personal ET contact then? I did not think it was anything more than a dream !!!

Skyfloating response: As far as I am concerned I no longer use the word "just" when saying something is a dream. Something being a dream is, to me, not something vague, abstract, unreal, unsolid, unimportant...as society would have us believe. A nightdream is another level of perception. Therefore, its not "JUST" a dream in my opinion.


lee anoma writes: Who told you that each experience had to be the exact same thing let alone the conclusions we draw from them? There are many different experiences and various theories regarding "contact" between certain people here. I would try and not create a high-horse from your own because you may find that what you believe you've figured out is simply your sole understanding of a complex issue that still requires time. try not to come across as "aggressively" enlightened

Skyfloating responds: Adding my experience to the infinite myriad of other experience-reports does not imply that I see the light and others dont. Mentioning in which way my view differs does not imply thinking my view is "better". But thanks for the reminder.

Katmandu writes: I tend to want physical proof. Why? I'm in a physical dimension

Skyfloating responds: Would feeling intensely pass as physical proof?

Reply to Brock Landers: Thanks for sharing that account.

Response to Zero G: Great Posts!!!

A look at channeling

There are obviously enough reasons to be put off by "channeling". Theres a field of thousands of people out there who claim to be "channels" by merely closing their eyes and inventing random journeys of imagination and claiming them to be coming from some inspired, angelic or extraterrestrial source. Ive seen this nonsense with my own eyes. "Your cat knew you in a former life. She has now incarnated as a 6th Dimensional light-being and will return as your indigo child". - "Really?" (tears well up).

But Ive also seen other kinds of channeling. I personally know a guy who gives private channelings of another type of nature. Id visit his place and we would "get down to business" without any pretense or new-age-talk. Hed sit there and breathe himself into deep trance first. He`d be silent for about 30 minutes. You could feel the room sizzling with another presence, another frequency. I sit there in awe. The guys body twitches uncontrollably due to the change of frequency. It twitches in a way you cannot act or fake. Its that Kundalini-Twitch that accompanies extreme and rapid change in vibe. "Oh my God, what is going on here?" I think. The guys skin colour changes right in front of my eyes. He explained to me that the Extraterrestrial and him have to "meet in the middle". The ET lowers his state, and the guy heightens his. The guys voice is distorted to a tone and sound unlike anything I have ever heard before. Stuff you cannot learn at acting school. Before I can even say anything his voice is telling me that I am here to discuss dreams I have been having. I did not tell him that. I did not tell the channeler that. I could be here for hundreds of reasons, but he knows the reason. And on the no-bull#-channeling goes.

Again....its the QUALITY that counts.

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i agree with what you say about "channeling"as a way that we are communicated with? by other beings-----except i believe we receive this "inspiration" or thoughts if you will pumped into our heads from both good and bad sources.this is hard to explain but when i had to do my job which required alot of trouble shooting on many different pieces of electrical equipment controlled by industrial computers it was like a voice in my head telling me what to do?to pinpoint down to what component had failed and was stopping a piece of machinery from working.the worst part of my job was being sent behind someone else that couldn't figure out what was wrong but nevertheless had attempted a repair but gave up before the boss had to send me.i had to undo other guys "repairs" add nausium first before i could start to trouble shoot the actual problem.i used to dream alot when i was a little kid in fact some of my dreams were so exciting back when i was 10 or so that i could hardly wait to go to bed for them but dont recall having had any for decades now.

Hi Skyfloating,

As a spiritual medium myself and one who has witnessed many a channeler in the context you describe, I have no problem with you claiming to channel in dreams one or more aliens to this world.

The whole Freudian explanation that dreams are created by our brains (our "subconscious") when we sleep at night, is complete nonsense.

I have had situations whereby I would have a dream with a close Guide and would recognize that energy; to then wake up and continue the telepathic conversation.

When we go to sleep at night, we become more receptive to telepathic messages from those on the Other Side; these are usually presented to us symbolically. Most dreams are not helpful or spiritual because most people on the Other Side, as with This Side, are not spiritually conscientious or devoted to The Light.

I would like to steer you and others clear from possibly falling into a common trap of manipulation. Namely, in believing that the physical aliens that kidnap people here and use them for a long-term breeding program, dissection, and for medical and psychological experimentation - typically the Zetan-Greys, as they are the most commonly reported alien - are the same benign entities that you and your medium friend channel.

They are not

Spiritual retardation is easily recognizable. It is clearly demonstrated by those who perform experiments on and/or enslave sentient beings. The Zetan-aliens are at fault, just as many of our scientists are at fault for experimenting on animals. Both are whacked and there is no excuse in either regard. After they leave their bodies, they will be punished for those atrocities indirectly by their inability to ascend in The Light to a place whereby they are not surrounded by people just like them. It happens every single day. That is the karma for following an evil path of irresponsibility.

The two general categories stated above, physical and self-serving space aliens and benign alien spirits, gets twisted around and confused in the minds of people here because there are discarnate communities or Group Entities who mislead incarnate mystics into thinking that the the source of their telepathic communication is incarnate aliens in interstellar spacecraft.

This is a deception

Telepathy is the universal language of Spirit. It is how everyone on the Other Side communicates. However, consistent telepathic ability has not yet been achieved by ANY humanoid civilization. Those who claim to the contrary are pushing a deceptive agenda

Oh yes, there are aliens, both incarnate and discarnate. But despite the brainwashing and implanted screen memories that the Zetan-aliens use to manipulate Terrans (and others) into thinking the Zetans have godlike powers, they in fact do not. I came very close to getting abducted a number of times. If they could read minds, teleport, or walk through walls, I would not be here stating that it is all just Zetan propaganda.

Knowing these things will help one see through the veil of brainwashing, manipulation, and deception that permeates this topic with many people who are in telepathic communication with extraterrestrials.

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The meteor shower part of my earlier post, was reported and explained by American Meteorogical Society. Oct 12-21 is peak activity.. this year.

My friend claiming he had an O.B.E. while asleep and was on board a ufo and transplanted with a grey, but could not recall everything via human brain with limited access, said greys are the angels, and reptilians are the devils. Verbatim: "cause im within the vessel of a human brain to percieve things in this dimension i cant always remember things, i work as a camera at times and need to be taken back for check ups" If you say greys are actually hostile, (not that I necessarily believe any of this from either side), my friend is actually being taken over by hostile forces? I posed this question to him about the "hostile greys" and if he were one, why would he be helping mankind to which he said : "theyre portrayed as hostile because the world is run by the reptilians right now, reptilians are satans angels, greys are gods angels"

I said how do we defeat 4th dimensional reptiles we cannot see. He said they shapeshift and we must stop them from taking over the sheeple with satans seed of manipulation. So essentially anyone who's dissenting or "waking up" right now is not being taken over with thought control and religion etc by reptilians? I ask. "correct." "Spread the word, is how we defeat the reptilians."


Do I need him to get checked out somehwere like a mental physician, even though I have seen ufos, and saw a black triangle with my roomate as aformentioned in this thread, an hour after he predicted it... Mathematical odds on that? For what it's worth, I DID find out G.W.B was flying into Florida today, so maybe the cloaked black v me and my roomate saw after talking to grey vs reptile boy was Georgie's private stealth jet.

You tell me.

Where would you place lucid dreams and sleep paralysis in this theory? Serious question.

I'm a sleep paralysis sufferer, have been for many years. It was what led me to these forums actually, but after my searching was done I now strongly believe in the scientific explanation for it.

Do you believe these conditions / events are actually instances of unintentional channeling as well?

I don't agree with your theory, but but unlike some others, i'm not going to jump you for posting it. Good luck!

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yeah, one is called entity-possession and remote mind-control the other is called channeling.

reply to post by Paul_Richard


Thanks for adding your cosmology. It is way beyond the scope of my knowledge to confirm or not-confirm any of what you say. I would agree on Freudian Doctrine of Dreams to be nonsense....easily debunked nonsense too. I would also agree to many levels of deception. But I personally would be careful in what I label "deception" and "true" and follow my first-feeling-on-something rather than what someone tells me.

reply to post by Brock Landers


On Labels and Cosmologies

A lot of people are fond of assigning labels such as "the greys", "the reptilians", "the pleiades", "the andromedans", "the lemurians", "the angelics" etc. to ETs. This is the minds attempt to make sense of something, to structure, to categorize, to bring order into chaos.

If I had to label the ETs I have been in contact wth, I would call them "the blues", because I perceive them as blue-skinned.

But at the end of the day we cannot be certain of the "Whos Who in the Universe?" because the conscious part of us has not yet matured to a stage in which it has overview.

Earthly polarity-mindedness loves jumping to conclusions on who the bad guys and the good guys are. Some stuff is only perceived as evil because it is foreign to us and we are afraid of it. Other stuff is only perceived as evil because earthly books tell us so. And then, theres still the small percentage of stuff that is actually really harmful to a human. Not necessarily inherently "evil" but simply harmful because of the unreadiness to experience it.

Theres also the theory that abuctees, on some level, gave their consent to having intruders (greys) mess with them. But I cant know if that is so or not.

Originally posted by fooffstarr
I'm a sleep paralysis sufferer, have been for many years. It was what led me to these forums actually, but after my searching was done I now strongly believe in the scientific explanation for it.

Well, if research has led you to the medical/scientific explanation, stick with it. Afterall its your research. Unless of course the scientific explanation has not offered relief...in which case Id keep looking. :-)

Where would you place lucid dreams and sleep paralysis in this theory? Serious question.

After experiencing and looking into this again and again and again and again and again and again and again....and again, I would say that during sleep paralysis your body has fallen asleep but your consciousness is awake. This would (imo) have you in an altered state, an altered level of existence during that time. You could probably even use it for an O.B.E. So rather than resisiting it as a malady, you could explore it as an opportunity. If however you want relief from it, you wouldnt mess with it at all anymore and use sleeping aids instead.

Do you believe these conditions / events are actually instances of unintentional channeling as well?

Well, my definition of channeling is broad. A musician being inspired to music is in my opion "channeling" too. I dont think you are "channeling" in this sense when you lie awake at night paralyzed. Id say you are stuck in the twilight zone.

I don't agree with your theory, but but unlike some others, i'm not going to jump you for posting it. Good luck!

Thats cool. But most of us dont seek agreement, we seek to learn. :-)

double post, sorry.

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I seek lunch mainly

Seriously though, thanks for the reply. I might post again in detail tomorrow, but here it's getting late.

Sky,
We've debated before, and
kept it civil.
For that, I respect you.

Now, for the "but" (always a but,
huh?).

Dreams and channeled aliens.

Sorry, Sir.

First, dreams are just that.
Figments of torment or pleasure
released in a state of sleep.

Channelled beings. Umm..
Yeah, ok.

IMO, this belongs in SkunkWorks.

Regards,
Lex

agreed.

Skyfloating: Dreams ARE the mind recollecting and sorting through old data. Dreaming occurs during sleep when the brain goes through things you have recently experienced, thought about, or that have had an impact on you mentally.
If you dreamed you got abducted by an alien spaceship and got probed by some freaky five-legged Aliens covered in mayonaise, then it is because these things/images were laying dormant in your mind.

If you think you know something that every qualified neurologist, pyschologist or any other professional learned in that area, DOESN'T, then please - do share.

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Originally posted by POKEMANS


Skyfloating: Dreams ARE the mind recollecting and sorting through old data. Dreaming occurs during sleep when the brain goes through things you have recently experienced, thought about, or that have had an impact on you mentally.

Your post would have more weight if you would have added "According to conventianal science...". According to me they are not. According to a few thousand authors, lecturers, alternative scientists, researchers, writers readers other explanations are valid. If I want to find out about convential theory I can go to wikipedia, the newsstand or turn on the TV. ATS is for discussing alternative viewpoints.

If you dreamed you got abducted by an alien spaceship and got probed by some freaky five-legged Aliens covered in mayonaise, then it is because these things/images were laying dormant in your mind.

We have already gone into this at length on this thread. Experiencing levels of ecstasy and reality-intensity beyond anything ever experienced in your "reality" and "realism" tends to nullify any attempts at saying "hey, thats not real, its only in your brain".

If you think you know something that every qualified neurologist, pyschologist or any other professional learned in that area, DOESN'T, then please - do share.

[edit on 13-10-2007 by POKEMANS]

I and a few others have already shared on this thread. Its an interesting read that contradicts conventional mass-consensus wisdom. Have a read.

Skyfloating: I have read through everything.
However, I failed to see anything even remotely close to proof of your viewpoints.
I think it's great you like to speculate about your spiritual encounters with the seven tailed fox spirit of what ever, but is it too much to ask for something to convince those of us who are yet to experience the ultimate climax of bliss thingy?

Because to be honest, saying things like 'spiritual', 'channelling', 'climax' and 'dream' doens't help your case point at all.

Everything you are saying is in speculation. Everything im saying has been backed with hard, proovable evidence...

When we go to sleep at night, we become more receptive to telepathic messages from those on the Other Side; these are usually presented to us symbolically. Most dreams are not helpful or spiritual because most people on the Other Side, as with This Side, are not spiritually conscientious or devoted to The Light.

Oh man does this grind my gears!
You said all that so matter-of-fact, as if it wasn't something that you just wrote, with absolutely no credible evidence in favor of it at all.

Using your rules on theorizing, the following statement is logical:

PINK ELEPHANTS CAN FLY INTO SPACE AND GATHER MOON CHEESE FOR ME TO EAT.

Wow. That was helpful. Thanks.

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I don’t believe it’s possible, or ever will be, to prove any of the alternat ideas of the world, like aliens making deals with the U.S. government, people being abducted whilst asleep.

It’s almost impossible to prove a statement like, “they talk to me through my dreams” with any real backing what so ever…..except for a few handfuls of individual testimony from operant abductees and contactees.
(me being one)

Unless, or until the government (shadow government, not the government the public knows) whom I believe knows all about what’s really going on, will disclosures everything about, well…everything.

Then you can backup your theories with absolute proof, because you’ve have all that secret information finally brought out, you can be like,

“son-of-a-bitch, I new it….they really have been proben me all this time, motherf@ckers...”

Until then….everything said about channelling dreams, messages, and so forth will continue to be dismissed through lack of any real hard evidence what so ever….and that’s the basic truth,,,

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uh...I really must be missing something here. The discussion of alternative theories implies the discussion of the unknown...of what has NOT BEEN PROVEN yet. Then comes Pokeman and many others and point out "Hey, but this hasnt been proven!"

Of course its your right to say that you have not gained value out of the read presented here. But some have happened to gain value out of it. I for one have certainly learned some extras to support me on my travels.

To the point: This is not a science-vs-spirituality thread but a nuts-bolts-UFOlogy vs. Interdimensional UFOlogy thread.

reply to post by Brock Landers

Hi Brock,

Your friend sounds like he was abducted by Zetan-Greys and brainwashed with implanted screen memories. Strong drugs are used and very sophisticated mind control techniques; this is why it often takes years for abductees to start to remember what actually happened during their kidnapping.

The Zetan-aliens are Service-To-Self (STS) oriented, as opposed to Service-To-Others (STO) focused. They kidnap people and treat them as laboratory animals and slaves. So yes, they are on an evil path.

In using logical extrapolation and intuition from the many abductee testimonials that I have come across: the tall and short Greys serve under the Reptilians (who can't shape-sift - that idea is also Zetan propaganda) and the Preying Mantises. The Nordics (genetically engineered Homo sapiens), also serve under the Reptilians and Preying Mantises, and have been reported to act as on-board security to protect the weaker Zetans - like the four-foot tall Greys - from their Terran (Homo sapien) prisoners. That's it in a nutshell.

Part of the intended disinformation campaign is to spread rumors that the Greys and Reptilians are enemies when in fact all of them represent the same Space Race empire.

The first casualty of every war is the truth.

Originally posted by Brock Landers
So essentially anyone who's dissenting or "waking up" right now is not being taken over with thought control and religion etc by reptilians? I ask. "correct." "Spread the word, is how we defeat the reptilians."

Just being aware that the Zetan-aliens have no godlike powers and that they all work together in order to continue to subjugate and harvest this planet selfishly, is part of the solution.

There are certain measures one can take to avoid an abduction. That helps too.

Abduction Prevention

Originally posted by Brock Landers
Do I need him to get checked out somehwere like a mental physician...

The first thing you need to do is prevent him from getting kidnapped again. Otherwise, all your efforts will be futile.

Secondly, have him see a physician for an annual physical exam. Don't go into details with the doctor, just have him get a check-up. (Doctors are not only lacking in nutritional education in med school but they also have no knowledge about aliens and should not be considered an authority on the subject.) Sometimes there are illnesses that are caused from exposure to radiation. This is the reason behind the exam. Barney Hill of the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case in 1961, died from radiation-related illness. There is also the possibility that he has an alien implant. A body scan would detect that.

Third, have him join an abductee support group. This will help him cope.

Abductee Support Groups

Alien Abduction Support Groups

The support group is a good place to ask for a referral to someone who can discreetly have his body scanned for implants.

Your friend is not only brainwashed but also likely suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Steer him away from drugs and alcohol to treat this. If he needs to talk to a certified therapist who specializes in alien abductions, that's fine. He needs to avoid traditional therapists who are inexperienced in this topic, who are not nutritionally educated and progressive, and who would only worsen his condition by prescribing drugs and saying that his alien experiences are "all in his mind." He doesn't need that bias and make sure he doesn't get and take any prescribed medication because that would only treat his emotional and psychological problems superficially.

Your friend also needs to embrace a totally organic diet. No non-organic meat. He needs a salad everyday that has carrots, celery and Romaine lettuce (never Iceberg), and he needs to take DISTILLED Omega 3-6-9 every single day.

If it isn't distilled, then there is a lot of fillers and chemical added and this lessens its effectiveness.

For example...

Distilled Omega 3-6-9

He needs to take one capsule of the above three times a day.

In addition to being a natural anti-inflammatory (for joint and tendon pain) and cleaning out one's arteries, Omega 3-6-9 is an anti-depressant and is used to treat PTSD and bi-polar disorder. That and an upscale, organic diet (without food additives like MSG) is his MEDICINE.

There are other supplements that would greatly help him.

Namely these...

The Innovative Kitchen Sink Multivitamin

Brazilian (Not Okinawan) Coral Calcium

Primal Defense (A Pro-biotic)

And finally, an important digestive aid to take (at least one) with each meal...

Omega Zyme

As far as the US President having his own private stealth jet, that is definitely a possibility. Anyone in that position, if given the opportunity, would do that. One has to understand the motivations of becoming President in the first place: power, influence, prestige, and money, and in some cases, lots of sex too.

Feel free to U2U or e-mail me privately if you have any questions regarding any of the above.

Good luck.

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uh...I really must be missing something here. The discussion of alternative theories implies the discussion of the unknown...of what has NOT BEEN PROVEN yet. Then comes Pokeman and many others and point out "Hey, but this hasnt been proven!"

Of course its your right to say that you have not gained value out of the read presented here. But some have happened to gain value out of it. I for one have certainly learned some extras to support me on my travels.

To the point: This is not a science-vs-spirituality thread but a nuts-bolts-UFOlogy vs. Interdimensional UFOlogy thread.

I will go back to my original argument here: this belongs in the skunkworks. Nearly every idea you bring foward is completely speculatory.