ETs: The gentle invasion

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


The problem with that is... Most everything we see on TV or read is not first hand information. All of our text books would fall into this category also. If you see something in a book that you have never seen in person, do you not believe it?
If a friend tells you about his vacation, do you doubt he was there?
Going by that kind of logic then we cannot believe ANY book, newspaper, media personnel. The only proof is first hand? I am not taking sides here. You just have to be open minded and logical at the same time.
That is often hard to do for us as humans. We are opinionated and conditioned through society. The more educated are just less gullible than the masses.
The scientific and religious communities are the worst at disbelieving until proven beyond a doubt.

Originally posted by hlesterjerome
I’m going to try and describe something here that language, which springs from the filter we call “mind and reasoning”, can not really describe.

hlesterjerome, yours is the best bunch of mumbo-jumbo i have read in a really long time. i, too, think the OP has hit on something important. i am writing in support of a thread which seems to have gotten a bit of a beat-down.

extraterrestrial contact, as described in the OP, is far more common than people realise. unfortunately, in this sense it belongs in the same category as spiritualism, which is something that even E.T. enthusiasts have little patience for.

however, personally i think you both have it right on.

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hlesterjerome, yours is the best bunch of mumbo-jumbo i have read in a really long time.
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Mumbo-Jumbo?

That's funny,

Well, to me it is (funny).

I think we are onto the right lines of thinking here.
Language does limit our ability to communicate this to other humans, but I think you have done an excellent job considering the "concepts" we have to work with here.

Love is the higher vibration, I have seen it written so many times.
the power and force of love, and how it steers us is indescribable.
So if Love is seen and felt at their level, and affects the next level of vibration, of course "ET"s or spirits are going to be interested in what we are doing. Our love is seen and felt at their level!

It affects our destiny in the next vibration. It may affect who or what you are in the next level. It may even be "our own" future selves in the 4th dimension trying to steer us the right way. There's really no way to "know" until you get there...

Both good and bad aliens exist.

The good aliens you talk of are probably the pleiadans, the andromedans or the lemurians.

The reptilians and the grays indeed exist aswell.

I'm not saying they are all evil.

The grays dont seem capable of individual thinking, so I think it's a safe bet to say they are our enemies for now.

The reptilians lower castes, the workers, they basically follow their elites. they aren't evil, but they are not opposing what their elites are doing to us, thus they are part of the problem. The reptilian elites however are pure evil, beyond what we can imagine.

With regard to the OP:

First let me say that I have absolutly no ufo/alien/paranormal experience first hand. All the info I have comes from reading/studying the subject. But that said, I have to say I share the opinion of the OP.

There are many things about the UFO phenomena that don't make much sense to me. If the aliens are hostile, why didn't they enslave us, or kill us, or whatever, ages ago? While if they are our kind loving space brothers, why havn't they helped us earlyer? The OP's reasoning that they have no benevolent nor malevolent objectives is what I think is most likely from my own logical deductment.

Now just so you don't missunderstand me, I'm neither saying the OP is correct, or incorrect, I have no proof either way. It's just my opinion (and I may be wrong!)

Hmmmm interesting. I have not been contacted by ET as far as i am aware. So with this talk of personal contact with ailens, does this mean a very lucid dream i had a few years back was a dream or ET contact? The dream was as follows. I was taken aboard a ship and saw the Earth in space for a while and then being taken to a planet. The space craft landed and i was told that the crowd of "people" massed in a square were my people!!! Then after that all i remember really is being flown back to Earth and i woke up. i always thought it was a very lucid dream, a great trip, but nothing more. So your'e saying that was my personal ET contact then? I did not think it was anything more than a dream !!!

Vivid dreams I have had, I don't think they really happened, but were definitely dreamed for a reason.
I believe they give me new perspectives or concepts to consider, and have prompted me to do things differently.

I don't know about the rest of the posters, but my experiences and interactions with the "true paranormal" have been wide awake. That is how I knew they were paranormal.

[edit on 12-10-2007 by MonoIonic_Gold]

reply to post by Skyfloating


What you are saying is true insight I believe. When you get into the nuts and bolts of reality you find that it is ALL illusory and we have cast a picture of so called tangible reality that most have been taught, imposed on or accepted. The illusion of the world as we see it is based on collective constructs we have woven as a species through time and colored with emotions like fear, desire and some things better termed in details of psychosis. If it does not fit the "official" description it is not real, you are nuts or tripping, we think.

Alien contact is well out of our descriptive abilities unless we have courage to disbelieve the "rules" laid down by successive definers. The only rules I have found are compassion, love and challenge. We are brilliant as a species for our ability to clothe reality in acceptable formats that fit our limits of understanding or our fears. People are experiencing MANY different forms of so-called aliens, disembodied spirits, elemental and spiritually themed communications with "outside" forms of awareness. They, (other forms of consciousness) are within and without all we experience.

The universe is infinite beyond our understanding of infinite. Consciousness is everywhere and interacting with us in as many different ways as there are people, despite the limits in the thin bubble of a description of the world we are addicted to and hold like an empty crack pipe hoping for a fix. Waking up beyond the limits of this bubble is a challenge, not a right.

But we should describe what our experience is to the best of our ability to each other. We will eventually see that the universe is much bigger than what we can yet describe in word, belief, or prove and we can then expand our understanding dissolving boundaries.. We have to use whatever descriptions we can to get though the illusions.

If you had to weigh in ounces how much your love for your mother is, to be believed by others, could you do that? Reality cannot be described. Only experienced. It is the folly of science.

"It is incorrect to speak of it, but, misleading not to." DT Suzuki, Taoist scholar.

Some aliens are nuts and bolts biology, and some are not. Runs an infinite gamut.

ZG

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
We're being drip fed information as it is and there is no way you or anyone of your counterparts knows anything they're not supposed to.

I'm having difficulty understanding this, or at least how you've come to that conclusion regarding other forms of intelligent life in the universe that deal with life here. Are you assuming there is one source of information or various sources that all agree to the same level of secrecy?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I cannot relate to most of the stuff posted about ETs here because I have had personal experiences with ETs that have absolutely nothing to do with what is posted here.

Good.

Who told you that each experience had to be the exact same thing let alone the conclusions we draw from them?

There are many different experiences and various theories regarding "contact" between certain people here. I would try and not create a high-horse from your own because you may find that what you believe you've figured out is simply your sole understanding of a complex issue that still requires time.

I doubt anyone knows the full story let alone are able to draw definable conclusions from something mysterious and abstract. This is what keeps most people who experience these events from properly communicating. Appreciation of the differences in the individual events are rare among those contacted. If your the only person that "gets it" then these beings you speak of that contact us have a lot of work to do

Just keep an open mind and try not to come across as "aggressively" enlightened. It really doesn't help anyone understand a thing about individual contact and can seem to just satisfy your own ego.

It alienates.

- Lee

reply to post by Skyfloating


Infinity...

Most cannot quite grasp what this means. In an infinite cosmos, then all things are possible. Even impossible things. In fact, it also means that all things are not possible. So, who truly knows the rules or has all of the facts about the natural and unnatural laws of physics?

Not mankind. We are but babes in the woods of cosmos. However, belief is all. The tricky part is determining whether you are truly experiencing something organic or even spiritual from outside of yourself. For we are creatures of our environment and it nurtures us or disturbs us, which cause visions to appear.

How can you say that you are fully aware that what you think, what you "know," what you think you know, what you believe, what you would like to believe, etc., are not all a direct result of stimuli and input from the organic world around you? From the myriad stories you read and hear, the TV shows and movies you watch or the many conversations of "what ifs" that permeate human culture, is it not probable that you are merely conjuring some of it, yourself?

Of course, theoretically, all things are possible, unless this realm was designed to adhere to certain laws of physics, which appears to be the case, to our still childish grasp of this universe, and maybe we're forced to color within the lines - before we can even finger paint. And you may, also, be tapping into some cosmic consciousness that truly does emanate from a higher realm, a loftier plane or from a distant sentient species that visits us, if only in dreams.

All is possible within totality, but what if the proof is in the pudding? If you write a book and tell me of a messiah, am I supposed to believe on your word, alone? Nay, my dear friend. I must see him walk on water, turn it to wine and rise from the dead. Otherwise, you have a somewhat compelling story, but no proof.

How will you truly know that what you sense, think, feel or believe is absolutely valid for everyone, unless something physical shows up to lend some organic validity as proof to your fellow skeptics - who should remain skeptical, yet compassionate. There are many things that I would love to believe, but I've yet to see evidence that my belief, alone, has conjured anything of note.

I have "seen" UFOs. I have been "visited" by something in the middle of the night. I have heard voices in my head and dreamed many grand things that taught me, enlightened me and made me fear, as well. Yet, as a "scientist" and a skeptic of myself, especially, since it is rather difficult to discern what is "truth" and "reality" in this cosmic petri dish called my life, I am suspicious when, after much observation, I can detect that I am the common denominator and all that falls from my mind, ultimately, can be traced back to me. My mere observation of the phenomena can affect it.

Just as physicists alter their experiments with sub-atomic particles by merely watching them, what if I, too, am affecting the, alleged, outcome of my own experience by attempting to observe it through the very subjective filter of my mind?

I tend to want physical proof. Why? I'm in a physical dimension and, unless you have some hard evidence, then the rest is just theory, belief and wishful speculation based upon your combined experiences of all sensory and extra-sensory perception, which while valid for you, perhaps, means little to the outside observer, unless we can see it or see the direct result of it.

If you speak of wind and I know it not, but you can pull me outside and let me feel this wind you speak of against my skin, see it scatter the leaves or snuff out a candle, then I am more willing to believe. The science behind it may not matter as much, but I still want something physical to cling to. Call me Linus, but a blankie is important, at times.

namast

reply to post by Outrageo


There is only experience. Theory (measurement) is part of the illusion weaving. We listen to others to get an impression that might change our own experience. That is how "faith healing" works. We can choose what to believe, but that is personal and not a rule of some universal logic.

ZG

And hey.. We can take this away from you. We're not attacking you. We're realists, man. We want to see it, touch it, feel it, or we won't believe it. Too, we're probably a little pissed that the cool stuff doesn't happen to us. We hear so much about it but in our minds is a little far fetched to hop on the band wagon.

Realists??? Whats that? Is that some sort of cult?

The initial post was a good personal expression of an experiential impression. I have had tangible experiences with UFOs, others seeing the same thing with me, and other more personal experiences words would only do damage to the beauty of. Let's please don't attack such a giving thing.

Reality is subjective. That is science. So what is a realist?

ZG

I'm always having mad dreams of being taken to different planets by Aliens that look just like us. Once I got shown round a new house on a different planet and I was with my brother and I remember saying to him in the dream this place looks cool doesn't it!! I've had dreams of myself looking through my front window while UFO's streak past the window. I wake up I think what the hell is that dream supposed to mean. I laugh at my own craziness. I don't tell anybody about my dreams because the way I see it there just crazy dreams probably spawning from watching to many Documentaries or to much time on ATS reading wacky threads. I think some people have these mad dreams and come to the conclusion that there in contact with Aliens. I just think there dreams and nothing more.



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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Lexion


Sorry, Sir.
First, dreams are just that.
Figments of torment or pleasure
released in a state of sleep.
Channelled beings. Umm..
Yeah, ok.
IMO, this belongs in SkunkWorks.

If you say so.

Point of fact, we do not understand what dreams are, in especially from a scientific context. Shaman or similar say there are different types of dreams. Some, we deal with emotional knots in our lives, hopes, fears etc. Other dreams are more external to our experience. What if in dreaming we are experiencing other exsistances simultaneously, or interacting with "others". How many types of dreams have we had? Can we even begin to categorize?

You are being kind here, but I feel some good folks are too linear to grasp the tangent you posed. Dreams we might find are as good a proof as any test tube theory,... or better.

Experience is the best teacher. All those books in your bookcase are not proof. Just hopefully honest impressions of an experience. Dreams are personal experience, as valid externally as reciting someone else's writings in a book.

ZG

Originally posted by MonoIonic_Gold
I think we are onto the right lines of thinking here.
Language does limit our ability to communicate this to other humans, but I think you have done an excellent job considering the "concepts" we have to work with here.

Love is the higher vibration, I have seen it written so many times.
the power and force of love, and how it steers us is indescribable.
So if Love is seen and felt at their level, and affects the next level of vibration, of course "ET"s or spirits are going to be interested in what we are doing. Our love is seen and felt at their level!

It affects our destiny in the next vibration. It may affect who or what you are in the next level. It may even be "our own" future selves in the 4th dimension trying to steer us the right way. There's really no way to "know" until you get there...

Ahh! Love You speak of the frequency bands that lay slightly beyond our taught radio dials. Yes, I think we are like a crystal set radio transceivers that are trying to get new stations. Some of us, and maybe more than we know, have received broadcasts from HD stations through NDE, meditation, drugs (sacrament), 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness, dreams or a moldy cheese sandwich.

Then there are those with certain spiritual political powers over the ages who say, "Those frequencies are not real!" "they are EVIL!" or you will go to hell if you tune in to those". Uh, really? Are they just scared, jealous or don't want to loose your subscription to their power fund?

It seems the only thing to do once you know those better stations exist is to work on the components of your radio, raise an antenna higher, add filters for noise and loose the old dials. AM to FM to SW to UHF to satellite to... (add your hearts desires here). I wont try an NDE or a moldy cheese sandwich a second time, they just allowed the band into my experience, but I know some other ways to get there(for me) and are always working on it.

Wide and high band is my goal. Love is a preset on my dial but at the high range and gets cut off by ignorance or fear interference. I don't see ghosts that I know. I am tuning to higher frequencies, not lower bleedthroughs. Were seeing other beings along the upper bands though.

"I know this place like the back of my.... What the HELL is THAT?"

Originally posted by Atlantix
The good aliens you talk of are probably the pleiadans, the andromedans or the lemurians.

This is astounding. Not only do you KNOW intelligent extraterrestrials exist, they've also disclosed their "species" names? Where do you get this information? Honestly. I'm positive that this universe is teeming with life, but, I have absolutely no scientific proof for it yet. Humanity isn't at that point yet, so, I ask again:

Where do you get this information from?

I can also say:

Hey, there's a spider like alien creature out there called the Spidyemelions! I can't offer any shred of empirical data, but, I assure you they're real.

It's all anecdotal. This type of "research" really pulls down upon the already shaky field of ufology.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I had a friend tell me he was contacted by what he believes are greys, in an out of body sleep experience... Sleep paralysis, I know.

Anyways, he said Reptilians were evil and living in the 4th dimension, and how he could only remember so much as a grey, using a "human brain" with limited access to recall and such. He was fully convinced our AIM conversation was being recorded, (which it probably was, but I don't really care at this point), and he told me if I went outside that precise second I would probably see a UFO.

At this point my roomate had entered the room to tell me what I thought sounded like 2 helicopters, did indeeed fly over our house a minute ago because he went outside and saw them haul arse out of here. Then he started to read my chat, which had us kind of both reeling in laughter, yet at the same time we've both seen UFO events overhead and were honestly somewhat curious.

Fudge it, grab a beer and a smoke let's go outside on the porch. Luckily it was clear last night, you could see like almost 200 stars total, which are usually blocked out completely by smog or contrails or clouds or the damn car lot light pollution. I think somone voted they shut off their lights at night now because I can actually see constellations again. I don't know if there was an announced or expected meteor shower last night, but we observed around 10 combined meteors, some we both saw, some one of us saw, various shapes, speeds, lengths of tails, colors, some with just a streak... it had us fixed to the sky needless to say, it was cool. Then out of the bottom of my eye I see what appears to be something coming out "nowhere"(across from our porch, there is a fenced off lake about 100 ft across, with a neighbors house, and woods behind them that is long-reaching, and make's up our viewable horizon essentially, and it did not come over the horizon of the treetops but from the left of our vision suddenly) about a nanosecond after my roomie was already pulling my shirt like DUDE I SEE SOMETHIN LOOK LOOK and had realized I was staring at the same thing. My brain rationalized ok a flock of 5 birds which are over head, but too high at all, and come to think of it, they aren't flapping their wings, and don't have wings or heads, and they don't fly south at 3 am in Florida and appear out of nowhere silently, and once I realize unless they were holding a black, opaque, triangle banner between them it was a cloaked or stealthed V-shaped something and by this time me and my roomie ran into the screened in area of the backyard and into the house like little girls running from the boogie man, and promptly put the clip in the .45 (like that would do anything?) It was completely silent, while staring directly at it, you could only see sections of it like the movie the Predator, when his cloaking tech starts malfunctioning.

I didn't see where it went as I ended up hiding crouched in the hallway thinking something or somone was gonna look through my window like I was a child. My 24 year old male roomate also was in the same state and our pupils looked like we ate 10 hits of the brown acid as we were clearly in shock.

Suddenly my bud we were laughing at and questioning, we were coming back to AIM to explain the odds of what just happened, and the unexplainibility of a rabid meteor shower, which to my knowledge was not announced whatsoever by any meterologists, astrologists, local news, etc., preceded by low-flying choppers, and proceeded by a cloaked black triangle thing stranger than any UFO sighting I've had in 22 years.

I guess these channels, and out of body sleep experiences, have me a little more intrigued you could say. I believe they are here already as well. They being who knows what, reptilians, cyclops, greys, nordics, thigh masters, who knows. Apparently a lot of people are getting in touch though.

Originally posted by Donoso

Originally posted by Atlantix
The good aliens you talk of are probably the pleiadans, the andromedans or the lemurians.

This is astounding. Not only do you KNOW intelligent extraterrestrials exist, they've also disclosed their "species" names? Where do you get this information? Honestly. I'm positive that this universe is teeming with life, but, I have absolutely no scientific proof for it yet. Humanity isn't at that point yet, so, I ask again:

Where do you get this information from?

I can also say:

Hey, there's a spider like alien creature out there called the Spidyemelions! I can't offer any shred of empirical data, but, I assure you they're real.

It's all anecdotal. This type of "research" really pulls down upon the already shaky field of ufology.

I have to get off this string, but REALLY! Do you read your posts? Let me show you this in your own prose.

"This is astounding. Not only do you KNOW GOD exist, they've also disclosed their "GODS" names? Where do you get this information? Honestly. I'm positive that this universe is teeming with GOD, but, I have absolutely no scientific proof for it yet. Humanity isn't at that point yet, so, I ask again: Where do you get this information from?

Did that originally sound a bit too dismissive to anyone else?

Sorry for any negative impression, but I needed to show what was going on. The post was a valid but subjective response. So was yours, and, mine. These "alien" entities might lay a centimeter in bandwidth from us and our impressions when faced with meeting them fall short of a perception of reality that includes them. We call them what we can without dogma and need be ready to change the names or contexts. The reality is that we currently are as dumb as a bag of gears as a species. Any descriptions we have will have to do until we add these realities and the beings that inhabit them to our own experience as the pre-intelligent but hopefully compassionate evolving organism we are.

The ufology field is shaky because it does not include enough information to prove one way or another anything. No "ology" can. With infinite intrusions of spirits, dreams, other realities and seeming technological or energy-based species, ufology is a slice of the reality of understanding we will need. Ufology will change it's bandwidth, maybe soon, but for now we communicate as we can with the names, descriptions and contexts we can. Just listen to everyone.

Ufology does however show us that SOMETHING is happening. We are lifting our heads out of the dogmatic sand to ask questions and listen to others. It is just a part of a nutritional diet of information acquisition to build strong bodies in infinite ways.

So, is that a wave or a particle? Can you prove either way, or is that subjective? Science doesn't work right either because we are still to a large part in the dark. But did you dismiss science for that?.

ZG

Originally posted by Creedo
I dunno man seems like everyone and their dog is inventing new ET realities these days that only they have a unique and 1st hand expertice with. And somehow magicly, like stories in the bible, is not knowldge available to us average clods who dont have the proper frequency tuned in on our mental and spiritual rabbit ears.

Spare me...

Hah. Hear, hear, hear! I logged in just to say THANK YOU for a truly nice summary of ufology 2007.