Are you all weak ?

Originally posted by craig732
ATS TOS prohibits us from using this website from organizing any kind of movement. That probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway, as I am sure the government monitors this website.

Quite true, craig732. ATS needs to remain neutral.

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So, if anyone thinks that the website can be used as a soapbox/springboard for revolution, then 'this dog won't hunt'.

Nothing wrong with discussing the topic, though, as long as it doesn't get into illegal acts;

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reply to post by Blaine91555


Your logic and wisdom are very powerful and I agree with most everything you say. However, I think the system is broken and that "playing by the rules" is not possible, anymore, because it has become so corrupt.

I agree with all of your points except for:

#10. Run for Political Office and seek out positions where you can actually make a difference.

Since the entire system, in my opinion, is being manipulated by a master puppeteer, then the amount of time it would take to legally and overtly "infiltrate" the system, rising to the higher echelons of power that might actually allow some progressive input, will be too little, too late.

Good people have and still enter politics, but I say that they either become corrupted, compromised, blackmailed or marginalized in the process until they cannot effectively affect positive change. Case in point is the recently elected Democrats in last November's "charge up San Juan Hill."

They have done little, if anything to stem the blood flow in Iraq or finger the dike of our borders that leak like a Latino sieve, allowing thousands of illegal immigrants to continue to pour into our rapidly deteriorating country. Only recently, after much shouting by constituents, has any enforcement of the laws begun to stem the tide of illegal humanity that threatens to drown us from within.

Remember, I agree with most everything you say and I may be wrong about my opposition to your last point. I always enjoy your posts and thought process, but you will have to convince me that rational, logical and overt work "within the system" is always the answer - when I don't see any semblance of rationale, logic or transparency within our government.

It is fetid, cankerous and gangrenous. It has co-opted our country, our work ethic, our principles, our laws, our principles, our heritage and a thousand points of dimming light. Sometimes, a major transfusion is needed, instead of "taking 2 aspirins and calling me in the morning." Yes, I'm being dramatic and extreme, but no more extreme than our domestic and foreign policies have become.

I am very tired of watching and waiting for "good" men and women to wake up and smell reality. Instead, we keep electing Bush and his ilk. Kerry was just the frowning half of the Greek theatre masks and no real opposition. When the foxes run the chicken coop, we need to either roust the farmer from his bed and make sure he brings a shotgun, or set fire to the coop, perhaps, and wake up the barnyard animals.

I'll gladly listen to your reasoning as to why we should try to work within the system to fix it. Hopefully, if some are truly waking up, inside the system, and are already in power to effectively transform this debacle into some salvageable, though wounded casualty, I'll be more than happy to hold off pulling the plug.

However, I don't want to wait and wait for a nurse or orderly to realize that the patient is in cardiac arrest, due to physician malfeasance or incompetence, if I can still clamber off the gurney and sneak out of the asylum in hopes of finding a sane medicine man, somewhere in the wild.

namaste

Don't say we are weak, because that's not true. Making you believe you are powerless, weak, can never accomplish your dreams is part of the same brainwashing schemes of the elite. They don't want citizens who are self-confident and know they can change things, they want citizens who are in continuous self-pity and think they can do nothing worthwhile with their life.

For now, I think we should all keep a low profile. We don't want to end up in jail for truths that will be well-known in the future. At the some point, we will know when to act. Like a tiger waiting in the grass for the right moment to attack the victim, let the victim do as it pleases, for now..

To the OP: Your attitude stinks.

Any charges of ineptitude you sling at the members of this board you are equally held accountable of.

Originally posted by cain-diedhi

What are YOU going to do about it ?

I'm not going to do anything about it. The things you're talking about are systemic. The only way I could possibly even influence the "NWO" is to work very hard, accumulate as much money as I could, run for office, and use my money and position to steer the NWO toward the goals I want to achieve. The catch, though, is that if I were to do all of those things, I would probably end up wanting the very same things that the NWO wants. Power, control, etc. I already don't have much of a desire to come to the rescue of the downtrodden, or free the oppressed.

So I think I'll just sit back and relax and try to get some kind of enjoyment out of this life the way it is.

reply to post by Blaine91555


one of your suggestions struck me-learn how the system works and use it to effect change-my former boss and his boss that appointed him did just as you said not to make things better for my fellow workers but in order to manipulate the government system to steal and bring in their family and friends to work to obtain a family income with kickbacks as part of the deal and thus put totally incompetent people into positions they shouldn't have while ruining the lives and careers of individuals that were better suited to these "stolen"jobs.i'm afraid that from 40 years of observing such things and at times trying to get it stopped----its hopeless and it helped to ruin my career also-------for the time being evil is turning upside down good and being allowed to rule--------the only hope i see short of a bloody revolution in which innocent people could get hurt by mistake is the returning Messiah.

reply to post by Skunky


I put this thread on some nights ago but used names unfortunately. The whole story was deleted. Must of touched a nerve or maybe its just BS. I thought this place tries to find the truth. I have one name which was deleted along with my last post with his name and he was involved in CIA and ATS.

Be aware that there is some evidence that ATS is a CIA asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wxxxe Jxxschke, who posted as ‘Centxxxt’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence).

May I say for the record I have no reason or want to die I love life. Of 11/10/07 midnight or 12/10/07.

I,m trying hard to put this on ATS the last was deleted for some reason! can you post it wont let me do it for some reason

reply to post by cain-diedhi


well, what the hell are you going to do?

reply to post by katmandu


The system is broken. That is true. My new SUV was broken a while back. I did not throw it away. I fixed it. First I tried to fix it myself and could not do it. I found an honest Mechanic I trust and he fixed it. He did not fix it by himself. He found a crew of people who knew what they are doing and together they fixed it.

A little simplistic I know, but the concept is sound. The bad elements in our Government want you to believe you can't fix the System. It is not true, but if they can get you to believe it, they win. If you refuse to believe it and get others to feel the same way you can take back control. It is a slow process involving sacrifice, but it can be done I believe.

One question to ponder -
How is it any harder now than it was when the idea of a Representative Democracy was first formed? It is not. I has been done. There was pain and sacrifice along the way and everyone was not happy all the time, but it was accomplished all the same.

I am not sure if someone has aready said this, I beleave Ron Paul is worth looking into. You dont here about him in the main stream, But on the internet he (in my op)has it right on. Any thoughts ?

reply to post by yahn goodey


Imagine what it would have been like if your "Boss" had been a good man and used those tools to accomplish good things. I was able to pull my life out of the gutter because of a couple of good, decent, rich and powerful men. There are many bad people with power and there are even more good people with power. It is hard to believe at times, because of the evil around us, but most people on this Planet are basically good people inside. We far outnumber the bad and have all the power in our hands if we could just realize it.

If everyone put their selfish wants aside, abandoned the Politics of Hate and sought out good people to administrate our Government it could be a wonderful world. It is our selfishness and desire to have everything our way that holds us back and allows bad People to rule us.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I put this thread on some nights ago but used names unfortunately. The whole story was deleted. Must of touched a nerve or maybe its just BS. I thought this place tries to find the truth. I have one name which was deleted along with my last post with his name and he was involved in CIA and ATS.

Be aware that there is some evidence that ATS is a CIA asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wxxxe Jxxschke, who posted as ‘Centxxxt’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence).

May I say for the record I have no reason or want to die I love life. Of 11/10/07 midnight or 12/10/07.

reply to post by pierreletrek


I'm not sure what you are after. You are being a little cryptic. Personal attacks are not allowed here. Perhaps that got your thread pulled. You seem to be having no trouble posting right now?

There are many threads accusing the people who administer ATS of all sorts of things. They never try and stop them that I have seen.

What does the line in your post with the dates mean?

lol.....somebody had too much mt.dew.......Ok slowly set down the green can, and step away from the hot pocket! Now go get a salad and steak, pop a xanax and fall asleep reading a good book. Taking a vacation of some kind might do ya wonders bro. Find yourself, and dont worry about the rest of the world. It will fall to pieces with or without us being weak.

reply to post by pierreletrek



what? CIA and ATS are working with each other.
NOW THAT IS FUNNY

I'll take my survival pack, my guns and ammo and get as far into the woods as possible and lay low for awhile before looking for other "survivors."

I mean, it's obvious at this point the # will eventually hit the proverbial fan. Not sure if there's much we can do about it at this point unless we all collectively get tired of this nonsense and spark a revolution; albeit, a bloody one.

reply to post by cain-diedhi


Be awre tht thre is sme eidenc that ATS is a MMM asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wayne Jaeschke, who posted as ‘Centrist’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence). So be alert to games being played behind the scenes. And as with all things like this, do collect information from many sources (besides ourselves) and make up your own mind.
I put this thread on some nights ago but used names unfortunately. The whole story was deleted. Must of touched a nerve or maybe its just BS. I thought this place tries to find the truth. I have one name which was deleted along with my last post with his name and he was involved in CIA and ATS.

Be aware that there is some evidence that ATS is a CIA asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wxxxe Jxxschke, who posted as ‘Centxxxt’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence).

May I say for the record I have no reason or want to die I love life. Of 11/10/07 midnight or 12/10/07.

Originally posted by cain-diedhi

So you've learnt about the New World Order and the plan's for the world !

I suppose we should stand and applaud each other as we now look down at the masses who know [nothing] about what's going on in the real world!

Before we do, I would like to ask you all a question.

What are YOU going to do about it ?

Seriously...
What are YOU going to do about what's going on in our world today ?

What is the point in sharing the info if nothing ever gets done ?

So many people posting info and opinions but not one person acting on anything!

Is it just a cool alternative image for the modern fashion scene or are you going act ?

If nothing is going to get done then why bother posting at all ?

ARE YOU ALL WEAK ?

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[edit on 11/10/07 by masqua]

cain-diedhi,

A wonderful solution to your problem would be if it could be proven there isn't any sinister New World Order conspiracy. It is as yet a theory, and as such may end up in the wastebin, along with the innumerable End of the World-scenarios.

But IF the NWO exists, as an organized effort, a grim-faced cabal of shadow leaders, creating cooperation between secret agencies worldwide to establish (I going for the worst-case...) an Evil Alien + Illuminati tyranny over humanity: the answer is YES, we are relatively weak/powerless.

Ordinary human beings, take me for example, I am just a woman in my forties, caring for my family, securing income, doing that 'citizen'-thing. Voting, once every four years. Law-abiding citizens have no practical means to take on a modern nation state, let alone a SECRET COLLABORATION of nation states.

Action IS taken, right here and now. We are DISCUSSING this subject, on site and in our homes, and at some point even in the political arena. That is fighting 'the democratic way'. Studying conspiracy, hunting for the facts also is real action, I see taken by the UFO-community.

But what is needed, still presuming the New World Order truly to be the next Hi-Tech Dictatorship to hit the planet, is a powerful opposing government agency striving to preserve the Human Way of Life, just as organized and connected as the NWO-conspirators. I hope it already exists.

smilodon

reply to post by Blaine91555


Be awre tht thre is sme eidenc that ATS is a MMM asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wayne Jaeschke, who posted as ‘Centrist’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence). So be alert to games being played behind the scenes. And as with all things like this, do collect information from many sources (besides ourselves) and make up your own mind.
I put this thread on some nights ago but used names unfortunately. The whole story was deleted. Must of touched a nerve or maybe its just BS. I thought this place tries to find the truth. I have one name which was deleted along with my last post with his name and he was involved in CIA and ATS.

Be aware that there is some evidence that ATS is a CIA asset (controlled directly or indirectly)... they routinely attract whistleblowers, witnesses and researchers, and then after a thread has started and has really got going, they start to trash the story with ‘sockpuppets’ (the same person posting under multiple usernames) which are often the moderators themselves.

We were told this in some detail by an ex-member of ATS who was very closely involved with the organizing administration team. Their ex-lawyer, Wxxxe Jxxschke, who posted as ‘Centxxxt’, is also very likely to be a CIA asset (quite a long story, but lots of evidence).

May I say for the record I have no reason or want to die I love life. Of 11/10/07 midnight or 12/10/07.

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