Nikolay Patrushev: West seeks to break up Russia

Originally posted by manson_322
then why does british government not extradite the chechen terrorist akhmed Zakayev ... if UK is indeed interested in proving innocence to the Kremlin that it has no hidden hand in Chechyna it should extradite zakayev to face trial and also the oilgrach Berezoky , THIS IN ITSELF WILL IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA DRAMTICALLY AND WILL PROVE THAT UK DOES NOT HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS

How about an exchange for the guy we want to arrest for the murder of Litvinenko? Why don't Russia cough up Andrei Lugovoy after being accused of killing someone with radioactive materials and using it in public areas? Instead Russia will allow someone like that to run for parliament in the hope he will become immune to prosecution.

Originally posted by manson_322

there is no proof at all.

your claim stands nullified

As I said, your sources cointain no fact but rather use " anonymous" sources. The websites are also bias. Just because they com up on the first page of google searches doesn't mean they are credible LOL.

LOL right of course they do. Russia has a history of stuffing up the Ukrainian people. Just look at WWII, they welcomed the NAzi's after Russia had killed millions of them through famine. Just one example.


and later fought with russians to throw out nazis

LOL, it was a choice between a mass murderer adn a genocidal maniac. Fact remains that when the Germans first enteres Ukraine many Ukrainians wanted to join p to fight the Soviets. It was only when the Nazi's beame worse did the Ukrainians fight teh Nazis. The Ukrainians had no love for the Russians. Simple fact.

the problem is that i am not being able to find the orginal source in jamestown website archives with regards to this , so now i am haviong to search the FSB's official website archives and using russian search engine narod and translator .. to find the related sources and debunk a propaganda infected fool like you .

So your only supposed souces is some bias website. Don't even bother trying to find it, it's useless.

reply to post by mad scientist

As I said, your sources cointain no fact but rather use " anonymous" sources.

as i expected more BS from you ... and the sources now i am going to quote are respected american intellectuals

The Clinton administration followed up by providing strong support to the KLA, even though it was known that the KLA supported the Muslim mujahadeen. Despite that knowledge, then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright had the KLA removed from the State Department list of terrorists. This action paved the way for the United States to provide the KLA with needed logistical support. At the same time, the KLA also received support from Iran and Usama bin Laden, along with 'Islamic holy warriors' who were jihad veterans from Bosnia, Chechnya and Afghanistan. Swiss journalist Richard Labeviere, in his book, 'Dollars for Terror,' said that the international Islamic networks linked to bin Laden received help from U.S. intelligence community. Indeed, Chechen sources claim that U.S. intelligence also aided them in their opposition to Russia. Given that U.S. policy in the post-Cold War period has not only been anti-Russian but anti-Iranian, the United States worked closely with Pakistan's predominantly Sunni Inter-Services Intelligence organization. Through ISI, the United States recruited Sunni mujahadeen by staging them in Chechnya to fight in Bosnia and later in Kosovo."
www.savekosovo.org...

this was a statement of F. Michael Maloof, Post 9/11 Pentagon Counterterrorism Adviser,
www.globalsecurity.org...

In the G2 Bulletin of 25 September 2006 Michael Maloof, a former senior official at the Department of Defense during the the Clinton and Bush administrations, wrote about Clinton's post-cold war covert support for Islamic mujahadeen in Chechnya. Other reports indicate that these would have been part of the United State's clandestine efforts to destabilise former Yugoslavia and the Caucasus in liason with Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. And, as usual, such efforts appear to have been secretly supported by the United Kingdom
www.btinternet.com...

the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea and the Chechan pipeline have suddenly become matters of international power politics, not only in the Kremlin, but because of the intense interest in the area by American oil companies, by the Washington White House.... It is easy to understand the Russian concerns. Oil from Caspian Sea deposits were first developed in the days of the czars and expanded in the Soviet era. Why should other governments now become the beneficiary of this initial work.... This hardening of attitudes is part of the growing suspicion by the Russians of western intentions. It is not just that oil companies from Russia's former enemies have been gathering data and control over what was once the Soviet Union's most valuable resources, but that their efforts seem to be part of a strategy to cut Russia off completly from the Trans Caucasus. How else can the United States support of Chechnya and 'The Confederation of Mountain Peoples' be explained..... As if all this were not threatening enough, the United States and its obedient oil companies have also begun to insist on the opening of a second pipeline route from the Caspian Sea....The real reason the American oil companies want to ship through Georgia they insist is to deprive the Russians of the transit fees and insure that the Russians will lose monopoly control over the pumping and shipping of Caspian Oil."

web.archive.org...://www.amina.com/article/oil_pipe.html

the above quote comes from Marshall I. Goldman, Associate Director, Russian Research Center, Harvard University
Petroleum, Pipelines and Paranoia in the Caucasus

Just because they com up on the first page of google searches doesn't mean they are credible LOL.

google , nah , provides sources supportive of american imperialism , i use globalresarch , or take help from kolzene , who is the moderator of technocracy.ca

How about an exchange for the guy we want to arrest for the murder of Litvinenko? Why don't Russia cough up Andrei Lugovoy after being accused of killing someone with radioactive materials and using it in public areas?

No exchange is possible. Firstly, Russian Constitution does not allow extradition of Russian citizen anywhere under any circumstances. He should be put on trial in Russia if committed a crime abroad. Secondly, Scotland Yard have NOT provided ANY evidence that Lugovoy was behind the murder. Russia made its requests for evidence several times but there were no answer apart from dumb advices from David Miliband to change Russian Constitution. Mr. Putin was right when he said in response: "They'd better change their brains, not our Constitution". Accusations ? Yes. Evidence ? No evidence\very vague\fabricated one.

Sherlock Holmes would be ashamed of such colleagues.

[edit on 12-10-2007 by Leevi]

reply to post by manson_322


That stung a little. I've learned to really research any topic and the who said what surrounding it before I let my leash off to avoid exactly what just happened. Ouch.

Russia being such a large, geographically speaking, country with vast remote areas, it would not be too difficult I would imagine for foreign covert forces to establish short term bases/camps in order to support secessionist actions amongst disheartened ethnic russians in some of the smaller republics.

It would be a huge strain on the Russian forces to chase up each and every 'assasination' reported all over russia. Its hard enough learning to deal with the Russian mafia, let alone so called 'special ops' infiltrating and doing their thing.

In regards to destabilising Russia, I think that in a US perspective it can be done and would not be too difficult because there are so many options in this regard.

All this talk of a missile shield in Eastern Europe could well be a ploy for the US to make Russia focus its attention in this area while they take action and offer support to the sothern Russian Republics bordering the Caspian Sea. Russia knows the US wants the oil in this region.

Another action this 'destabilising of russia' may cause, as unfortunate as it will be is to foster tensions in the Ukraine - Ukraine has traditionally being East-side supporting Russia and West-side supporting Europe. By fostering and agitating tensions along these lines as it appears they have been for a while, the perfect scenario for globalist agenda would be to instigate a Civil War within Ukraine which would see East versus West aswell as Russia versus NATO. This would dramatically drag all of Russia's assets to within the Ukrainian border and this theater of war and leave other areas potentially exposed.

Unfortunately, being Ukrainian myself, it would be sad to see this historically war plagued nation suffer once again at the hands of Russia and others, but Im trying toput forth a possible NWO perspective on what "may" arrise.

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia


yes ,melbourne you seem to make a very good point here , i must say
USA could be using missile shield to divert russia's attention , but then there is SCO whose member china is helping russia ..

and to keep china in control, imperial US empire is trying to set up india and our stupid leading newspaper times of india is wholeheartly cheerleading for this ...

USA is declining power and it is trying to use divide and rule against rising economic power