Nikolay Patrushev: West seeks to break up Russia

Nikolay Patrushev: West seeks to break up Russia

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Russia's intelligence chief says Western spies are seeking to break up the country and singled out British agents as the most intrusive.

Nikolay Patrushev said highly trained British agents are putting their noses into Russian politics in a bid to influence the outcome of parliamentary and presidential elections.

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[edit on 11-10-2007 by UM_Gazz]

A war has been declared against law enforcement in Russia's south. This war is being waged by efficient well armed assassins that don't resemble some kind of amateur terrorists, they have silenced weapons and intelligence information available only to major spy agencies. Their goal appears to be to create havoc and lawlessness and they are striking at weak points throughout the Republics of Daghestan, Ingushetia, South Ossetia, and Stavropol.

Russian Government Ministries are acting like idiots treating these attacks as crimes. They don't understand there are major players behind these attacks. They also ignore use of advanced technologies to track down the attackers. They use pathetic and poorly prepared MVD militia units that are hours behind those they are supposed to track down, they have so far failed to achieve a single breakthrough.

With objective of PNAC to create the Global American empire and destroy Russia , it is necessary that Russia begins a systematic rearmament to prepare itself against the threat of the American military empire of the future

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[edit on 11-10-2007 by manson_322]

Originally posted by manson_322


This war is being waged by efficient well armed assassins that don't resemble some kind of amateur terrorists, they have silenced weapons and intelligence information available only to major spy agencies.

sounds like he's implying that there are CIA 'assets' at work, trying
to spread sabotage and chaos leading to anarchy, in the Russian frontiers,

weren't the mujahadeen armed & financed by the covert ops & CIA?
isn't the rebels & militia in Georgia & Chechnya, thought to be supported by black ops from the CIA? ~no justifiable proof, just rumor~

the man has a point... it's just a matter of proving his claims and everyone in political leadership maintaining a clear head & not going reactionary, ballistic
in response.

Originally posted by St Udio
the man has a point... it's just a matter of proving his claims and everyone in political leadership maintaining a clear head & not going reactionary, ballistic
in response.

And there is the difficult part. Proving CIA assets or other intellegence agencies are working against your country in order to force governmental change is no easy task. I dont know if simple rearmament will solve the problem, but you are right, the last thing needed here is reactionary policies and knee jerk decisions.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Originally posted by St Udio
the man has a point... it's just a matter of proving his claims and everyone in political leadership maintaining a clear head & not going reactionary, ballistic
in response.

And there is the difficult part. Proving CIA assets or other intellegence agencies are working against your country in order to force governmental change is no easy task. I dont know if simple rearmament will solve the problem, but you are right, the last thing needed here is reactionary policies and knee jerk decisions.

a simple rearmament ???
no i meant a massive russian rearmament , because US defence budget is going screaming like a hypersonic missile into ths sky and objective of PNAC is to isolate and destroy russia

there is a ABM sys and ABM battle mgmyt radar in east europe , near russia's borders

there are also plans/rumours to shift B-2 from aviano and Rammstein in west europe to poland , and even possibly baltics

The Guardian also ran with this story in today's edition, focusing on the accusations against Britain. Their Comment section also has an article about it.

Quite honestly, is anyone surprised that Western intelligence agencies are beginning to focus on Russia again? What with the tub-thumping, bullying of former Soviet or Soviet-dominated states (now part of NATO and/or the EU) and the flights of nuclear bombers around Western airspace, what else can the West do? Sitting back and letting Russia do these things is unacceptable - appeasing them will only make them more aggressive, as we discovered (far too late) with Hitler. The West has to respond, and nations like Britain - whose armed forces, superb as they are, are too small to face Russia head-to-head - are reverting to the age old spy games.

I think the Russian claims are overhyped (singling out the UK is surely something to do with the ongoing dispute over the Litvinenko murder). I don't think British, Turkish or American intelligence agents are planning to seriously 'dismantle' Russia. But their presence on Russian soil is of absolutely no surprise to me whatsoever given how Russia has conducted itself in recent years, and indeed shouldn't be surprising to anyone else. Nor would I be surprised to find Russian agents working in Britain; I'm sure there are plenty.

In a way it's sad that more effort on both the part of the West (especially the US) and Russia wasn't brought to bear in forming a stronger, friendlier relationship. But sadly the opportunity for that has probably passed now.

reply to post by Ste2652

Quite honestly, is anyone surprised that Western intelligence agencies are beginning to focus on Russia again? What with the tub-thumping, bullying of former Soviet or Soviet-dominated states (now part of NATO and/or the EU) and the flights of nuclear bombers around Western airspace, what else can the West do? Sitting back and letting Russia do these things is unacceptable - appeasing them will only make them more aggressive, as we discovered (far too late) with Hitler. The West has to respond, and nations like Britain - whose armed forces, superb as they are, are too small to face Russia head-to-head - are reverting to the age old spy games.

laughable as your claims are firstly , Britain has provided asylum to the criminal oilgarch Berezoky who has links with chechen mafia
secondly , Britain has given asylum to dreaded chechen terrorist Akhmed Zakayev or so called dubbed 'chechen freedom fighter' .....

are u aware that NATO camofluage uniforms and Milan ATGMs ans Stingers have been found by russian forces during chechen war

Russia has not said anything since years , and now the russian bear is getting angry with the series of provocations that the West is making

Russia action is a reaction to the Western Bullying and intimadation it has faced

I think the Russian claims are overhyped (singling out the UK is surely something to do with the ongoing dispute over the Litvinenko murder). I don't think British, Turkish or American intelligence agents are planning to seriously 'dismantle' Russia.

clearly you have not read the objectives of PNAC for the creation of American empire and destruction of Russia through any means ...

[edit on 11-10-2007 by manson_322]

Iff there is anything in the existence like PNAC then they are doing it wrong.

This only drives Russia more crazy iff they would do that.

Of course they do. Putin is a piece of garbage, but he's nationalistic, and globalists hate nationalistic people. They are against their world government idea and human genocide.

Did the MVD Militsiya ever put some thought into the possibility that this could be the work of the Russian mafia?

The Russian mafia has a presence all over the world and easily could have military type weapons and intelligence capabilities.

Originally posted by manson_322
are u aware that NATO camofluage uniforms and Milan ATGMs ans Stingers have been found by russian forces during chechen war

Complete BS. no Stingers have been found in Chechnya, the only MANADS used by the muj were bought from the oh do corrupt Russian Army Units in Chechnya. Milans haven't been used in Chechnya either. NATO uniforms maybe, but they can be purchased from a multitude of civilian shops.

Care to provide any link to your claims, or you just want to leave at , you amde it up.

Russia action is a reaction to the Western Bullying and intimadation it has faced

Russia is a bully as well. As soon as a country wants to leave the RUssian spehere of influence they attempt to use covert emans to regain control, such as trying to murder the Ukrainian President.
Go and take you BS somewhere else, where people don't require any facts.

Complete BS. no Stingers have been found in Chechnya, the only MANADS used by the muj were bought from the oh do corrupt Russian Army Units in Chechnya. Milans haven't been used in Chechnya either. NATO uniforms maybe, but they can be purchased from a multitude of civilian shops

no stingers ??? you are full of nonsense as usual ,as you were on one of russian AD junk thread proved that cannot back your statement s up
on stingers:

Not only were Stingers from the Afghan war used in Chechnya, but the United States has unwisely given Stinger missiles to nations such as Saudi Arabia

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3996/is_200304/ai_n9199132/pg_5

In the case of the Chechens, there is some evidence to indicate that the Stingers once used in Afghanistan found their way to Chechnya

www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2003/guest_holton_12_30.html

Russia is a bully as well. As soon as a country wants to leave the RUssian spehere of influence they attempt to use covert emans to regain control, such as trying to murder the Ukrainian President.

most ukrianians are orhtodox christians and have consider Rus as a brother , yushochenko was a agent of US sponsored color revlution

the only nation Russia is known to bully is Estonia , particularly because of sympahty for estonian nazi soldiers

any ways the Milan ATGM info will come in some days , i am tired its midnight in india



[edit on 11-10-2007 by manson_322]

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Manson, as much as I hate to say it, you are living testimony that the Kremlin's propaganda efforts are successful to some extent.

It's an age-old practice for governments to blame foreigners when things go wrong. In 1666, the Great Fire of London swept through England's capital city; some blamed the French or Spanish for it. Yes, even four centuries ago (and well before that), people blamed foreign countries for their problems - this is exactly what the Kremlin has conditioned you to believe. Many of the problems Russia faces today are of its own making, and not America/Britain/NATO/anyone else. Besides, do you seriously expect nations to sit around and do nothing whilst Russia throws these accusations and threats around? If you think that's what happens, you're pretty naive. In this case, Putin is blaming the West (Britain being a particular target because of the Litvinenko affair) for problems in southern Russia because he is unable to solve the problem and the West makes a convenient scapegoat.

Look beyond what your government tells you. There are many, many ways those uniforms and Stingers could have found their way to Chechen rebels rather than just the West handing them over; another country could have sold/given them away to the Chechens, or the Russian government itself could have planted them as part of a disinfo campaign against the West.

AS I said, there were no stingers in Chechnya, complete BS. They seem to think that because Khattab was in Afghanistan, they automitically means he brought stingers into Chechnya, there is no proof at all. USe something credible next time. I have seen vodeo of Chechans using SA-16 missiles to shoot down Russian Mil-24 gunships. Just so happens those missiles are Russian.

Russia is a bully as well. As soon as a country wants to leave the RUssian spehere of influence they attempt to use covert emans to regain control, such as trying to murder the Ukrainian President.

most ukrianians are orhtodox christians and have consider Rus as a brother , yushochenko was a agent of US sponsored color revlution

LOL right of course they do. Russia has a history of stuffing up the Ukrainian people. Just look at WWII, they welcomed the NAzi's after Russia had killed millions of them through famine. Just one example.
Ukraine is democratic the US didn't impose their will on the people, Russia tried and failed though.

the only nation Russia is known to bully is Estonia , particularly because of sympahty for estonian nazi soldiers

Why should Estonia or any of the BAltic states have any simpaphy for Russia ? Russia illegally invaded them in 1940.

any ways the Milan ATGM info will come in some days , i am tired its midnight in india

What, couldn't find any credible sources through a quick google. like the stingers, haha.

reply to post by mad scientist

AS I said, there were no stingers in Chechnya, complete BS.

you are the one whos full of BS like your AD junk thread ...
you have ZERO EVIDENCE AS USUAL ...

nce the CIA conducted its operations in Afghanistan through the Pakistani government and secret police, it is difficult to document who received training and support directly from the United States, and who was trained by U.S.-backed interests but presumably without the direct knowledge of the United States. The U.S. government has denied any contact or support for Osama bin Laden, for example, and since no direct evidence has surfaced linking bin Laden directly with the CIA, the U.S. government has maintained this (highly unlikely) position. But what cannot be refuted is the use of U.S.-produced Stinger missiles in Chechnya, missiles from the conflict in Afghanistan. Not only were Stingers from the Afghan war used in Chechnya
findarticles.com...

the border with Georgia... serves as the main conduit for mercenaries and illegal shipments of weapons and ammunition to Chechnya. The Georgian border is also the so-called 'point of interference': American CIA and other foreign intelligence services are heavily involved in Chechnya with Georgia serving as their base of operations. This is how an American-made anti-aircraft radar appeared in Chechnya along with a number of American-made Stinger portable anti-aircraft surface-to-air missile systems."
www.aeronautics.ru...

The Clinton administration followed up by providing strong support to the KLA, even though it was known that the KLA supported the Muslim mujahadeen. Despite that knowledge, then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright had the KLA removed from the State Department list of terrorists. This action paved the way for the United States to provide the KLA with needed logistical support. At the same time, the KLA also received support from Iran and Usama bin Laden, along with 'Islamic holy warriors' who were jihad veterans from Bosnia, Chechnya and Afghanistan. Swiss journalist Richard Labeviere, in his book, 'Dollars for Terror,' said that the international Islamic networks linked to bin Laden received help from U.S. intelligence community. Indeed, Chechen sources claim that U.S. intelligence also aided them in their opposition to Russia. Given that U.S. policy in the post-Cold War period has not only been anti-Russian but anti-Iranian, the United States worked closely with Pakistan's predominantly Sunni Inter-Services Intelligence organization. Through ISI, the United States recruited Sunni mujahadeen by staging them in Chechnya to fight in Bosnia and later in Kosovo
www.btinternet.com...

there is no proof at all.

your claim stands nullified

LOL right of course they do. Russia has a history of stuffing up the Ukrainian people. Just look at WWII, they welcomed the NAzi's after Russia had killed millions of them through famine. Just one example.

and later fought with russians to throw out nazis

What, couldn't find any credible sources through a quick google.

the problem is that i am not being able to find the orginal source in jamestown website archives with regards to this , so now i am haviong to search the FSB's official website archives and using russian search engine narod and translator .. to find the related sources and debunk a propaganda infected fool like you










[edit on 12-10-2007 by manson_322]

Russia and China need to make a diplomatic statement to get the United States in check. Israel an the United States have been roaming the pasture unchecked for far too long.

A global checks and balances should be welcomed.

reply to post by Ste2652

As Stratfor notes, the British connection to the Chechen separatists goes farther back. "During the first Chechen war -- from 1994 to 1996 -- retired U.K. special forces officers trained British Muslim recruits in British territory to fight in Chechnya," Stratfor claims, echoing reports out of Russia. "Some militants who attended that training and were later captured told the Russian government."
www.alternet.org...

enough said , my opinion is that in response Russia should provide IRA with powerful wepaons to teach UK a lesson for sponsoring terror

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


i share a very similiar opinion

reply to post by manson_322


"Retired UK special forces officers..." not active ones. Retired spec ops troops do all kinds of things when they leave the armed forces, including working for private security companies or training others. There is no proof (or even allegations) in that article that the British government is behind any of this. Smoke and mirrors and a paranoid Kremlin trying to point fingers at foreigners because it's the easy way out. As I've said, I do not deny that there's a significant number of Western intelligence agents based in Russia, but then again Russia is almost certainly doing the same. Nations have been spying on each other for centuries... it's nothing new.

Originally posted by Ste2652
reply to post by manson_322

 

"Retired UK special forces officers..." not active ones. Retired spec ops troops do all kinds of things when they leave the armed forces, including working for private security companies or training others. There is no proof (or even allegations) in that article that the British government is behind any of this.

then why does british government not extradite the chechen terrorist akhmed Zakayev ... if UK is indeed interested in proving innocence to the Kremlin that it has no hidden hand in Chechyna it should extradite zakayev to face trial and also the oilgrach Berezoky , THIS IN ITSELF WILL IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA DRAMTICALLY AND WILL PROVE THAT UK DOES NOT HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS