The Truth about UFOs and What we can do about it.

After all these years of research into the subject of UFOs, I have the following conclusions:

1. UFOs are real. Aliens are having a presence on / near our planet.

Justification: Countless photographs, videos, encounters, abductions reported from all over the world.

2. Most of the UFOs observed are Man made Balloons, Spacecrafts, etc and Natural Phenomenon such as Meteors and Stars/Planets

Justification: Many research reports have been published some official, others private that highlight this.

3. A small but significant percentage of the UFOs are Black OPs Projects.

Justification: Many research reports have been published some official, others private that highlight this.

4. The Aliens do not use Flying Saucers or other metallic spacecrafts.

Justification: A technology advanced civilization that manages to travel through billions of miles and be here will most certainly have more advanced Technologies for transportation. They may in fact not need to even travel from their home base physically.

5. There is an agreement between Aliens and the primary power on Earth. That is the US. They get to do their research and we get some technology.

Justification: In recent few years, Man has made far more progress than in the previous thousand years.

Example, Computers, Cell Phones, Stealth aircrafts, Electromagnetic and laser weapons, etc. And new stuff is coming out in genetics, micro technology and biometrics.

6. There is a cover-up by the government.

Justification: The lies and deceptions that is so well documented by The Disclosure Project and many other disclosures leave us with no doubt.

7. There is more than one Alien civilization visiting Earth.

Justification: The abduction reports and description of UFO encounters clearly suggest a variety of Alien Life forms. We need to keep away from the bad ones.

What we need to do about it?

1. Stop ridiculing and trivializing the subject by calling them UFOs. We can start using the word Advanced Transportation Systems or A.T.S. This will include both terrestrial as well as non-terrestrial beings.

2. Let us stop calling them Aliens or E.T, maybe use the word "Other Human Beings" or OHBs.

3. Develop Imaging and Video technology that cannot be manipulated by CGI. So that when someone takes a picture or video, there is in-built check that prevents tampering or manipulation. Maybe send a picture or video taken directly from your cell phone to Youtube or Flicr. This will restore credibility in pictures and videos of such encounters.

4. A University or Collage where this subject is being taught in a professional way. And taught by balanced experts of the likes of Stanton Friedman and others.

A degree or diploma in this subject would add credibility to the research reports. Let us called the subject, Un-Identified Advanced Transportation or UAT instead of UFOlogy and use the words, "Non-terrestrial Encounters" or NTE for abduction cases.

5. Vote out politicians who do not have an open mind on this subject.

6. Advertise the cause. Post bumper stickers on your cars. "We are no longer Alone. They are here"



[edit on 10-10-2007 by guyfrom2007]

[edit on 10-10-2007 by guyfrom2007]

Once again no reactions!!!

Is this not amazing. People love stuff thats shrill and exciting not some plain talking.

When someone discusses an abduction experience or contact with ET or some videos of UFOs (which I am afraid I don't have any), no matter how incredulous and fictional they maybe, this sort of thread gathers more moss (sleeper on 'I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials' for example) than something so straight forward and basic as this thread that I created.

I am not here to score points or achieve some target of creating 'N' number of topics on ATS.

All I am trying to do is bring sense into this subject of UFOs.

I live on the other end of the planet in India and one the way to my work, I was hearing on my IPOD, Steven Greers interview (2006) with George Noory on this book, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge" and there he was narrating his personal experiences and how he came into this field.

And George was going WOW.

But I fail to understand, if Dr Greer has so many contacts why is he and his team still struggling with developing a Zero point energy source machine.

If he claims as in his personal experiences that he can summon UFOs and ETS on top of the mountain using some Vedic incantations, why not ask them to give that vital proof or the technology to him so he can develop it right away.....

But you know what, this kind of stuff excites people. Not the boring stuff that I know or talk about.

If I add some pizazz to my story maybe it will gather some storm on this board (like the Italian astronomer stuff did).

But why? Why can't we have a meaningful discussion instead of veering off into tangents!!!

This is a mystery that even ET must be flummoxed with.

Hey I'm happy to engage in plain talk. I'll pitch in and keep your thread alive. I agree many of the points you made and the justifications for such beliefs. One thing I don't believe is the US Gov't making a "deal" with aliens. I've posted on that topic before and don't believe that cell phones, computers, stealth planes are the result of aliens. It may seem that these technologies came from nowhere but they have their origin in the transistor which has a pretty clear history. All of the things we learn about physical reality are related to eachother so when one advancement is made in one field, it can have profound effects on other areas of study. Thus, rapid advances can be made which appear only possible with outside influence.

I posted this on another thread but will repost it in your thread as it describes some of my own thoughts and feelings on the matter......


I think it is highly unlikely that we are "the only ones." Check the data. The fact that we haven't detected radio signals or seen the president shake hands with a little green man doesn't mean anything but:

1) We haven't detected ET radiowaves.

2) The president has not shaken hands with a small green man.

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Let's look at the data:

1) We have just come into an age of new technology and enlightenment within the last several decades.

So what about Seth Shostak and the SETI clan? Well lucky for them, MS co-founder Paul Allen is paying for 1/2 the price tag for a new telescope devoted full time to ET searching.

The first mission for the Allen Telescope Array will be to scan several billion stars across a vast swath of our own Milky Way galaxy, said astronomer Seth Shostak, of the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. That broad-brush survey will be followed in the coming years by detailed examinations of a million stars — a quantum leap in coverage of celestial real estate. In the 45 years since scientists first started looking for signals from alien worlds, only about 750 stars have gotten such close scrutiny.

SOURCE

In other words, while I highly respect their endeavors, they are openly telling us that they have barely scratched the surface as far as one possible avenue (in locating intelligent life) is concerned.

Considering how immense cosmic timescales are, I feel that finding others like us is very unlikely. ET would (from an evolution standpoint) mostly likely be far ahead of us or far behind us. Or perhaps just much different than us as others have suggested.

2) If your opinion is neutral on UFOs and you watch a couple television shows on the history channel, your opinion is unlikely to shift. They are often interesting but have a predermined goal in mind. The goal being to perpetuate the mystery. Mysteries are one of the greatest gifts in life and I don't blame them for using this particular mystery for ratings. Still, let's take a closer look..

I.E.> Remember the Peter Jennings UFO special "Seeing Is Believing?" A lot of good information was given including Project Blue Book, J. Allen Hynek's work, compitent accounts of sightings & abductions etc. So far so good right? Not entirely.

When they got into the abduction part of the program they eliminated all the material from the foremost abduction researcher Dr. David M. Jacobs. In fact Dr. Jacobs is the only person who teachers the only university level course on UFOs in the US of A. So why ignore his work? Instead they brought in other high profile psychologists who refuted abductions as imaginative people with false memories or people who experience sleep paralysis. Dr. Jacobs has data that would refute the sleep paralysis explanation and has studied the phenomenon longer than these other psychologists and researchers. Yet none of his material ended up in the final production. Why?

The answer to the why is simply because (as previously stated) they aren't trying to solve the UFO problem. They are trying to get ratings. The content isn't as important as the ratings. So you see where I am going with this?

My opinion is that a certain number of UFO sightings are of ET origin. Can I give you coordinates of where the cloaked ship is in our upper atmosphere? No. Can I introduce you to my "space friend?" No. That is exactly the point. If ET's are just mold growing under some rock on a distant sphere then how would looking for radiowaves help?

Likewise, if UFOs are real and represent the upperlimits of what can be acheived in this physical reality then how do we study them? Would be akin to someone from the dark ages trying to study a plasma tv.

I believe in mankind. I've seen the brilliance that we are capable of. But theres little hope of anyone from the dark ages figuring out a plasma tv. And there's even less hope when the majority of the population is more interested in their individual everyday life then figuring out the mysteries of the plasma tv. Our culture is one of individual competing egos trying to survive. Our culture is one where people with money survive and garner individual respect from others. Our culture is not centered around discovering UFOs, dark matter, or anything else of that nature. Sure some people make a living out of it. But go down to an average busy city block and ask people on the street who Hugh Hefner is. I bet everyone knows. Then ask them who J. Allen Hynek is. I bet very few if any will know. That is the difference.

I can assure you, any intelligence operating those saucers isn't like us. They are unified in whatever their agenda is. We are not.

[edit on 11-10-2007 by Scramjet76]

My long-time-research comes to similar conclusions. Especially the conclusion that the more advanced types of ETs are non-physical and dont need metallic craft.

Not many want to hear this though because it destroys their pre-conceived UFO-Religion. Ive attempted to start a few threads on subjects like this and nobody gave a damn.

But I applaud you coming forward with this. It WILL catch on...just give it another 10 years.

In fact...check out my zero-response thread "ETs: The gentle invasion" for similar conclusions to yours.

As for what UFOs are: Most are government craft. Very rarely are they ET craft. Yawn. This stuff becomes obvious after deep digging. :-)

First of all, I find the title of this thread to be misleading and pretentious. And your complaining about people not replying to your thread doesn't help your own interests.

I advise you to take it easy, and wait for people to reply. If they don't, then you just have to be open to the possibility that maybe they didn't find your posts/threads interesting or worth replying.

Originally posted by guyfrom2007
1. UFOs are real. Aliens are having a presence on / near our planet.

2. Most of the UFOs observed are Man made Balloons, Spacecrafts, etc and Natural Phenomenon such as Meteors and Stars/Planets

3. A small but significant percentage of the UFOs are Black OPs Projects.

4. The Aliens do not use Flying Saucers or other metallic spacecrafts.

[...]

The "truth about UFOs"? This is my problem with the title and why I find it pretentious:
I'm sorry but you don't know the "truth about UFOs", or if you do, you didn't share it with us on this thread. You simply enumerated possible explanations for UFO (or lack of) sightings and evidence.

That would have been a much more accurate title for this thread: "Various UFO hypotheses"

What we need to do about it?

1. Stop ridiculing and trivializing the subject by calling them UFOs.

I totally agree with not ridiculing and trivializing the (UFO/ET) subject, but what's wrong with calling them UFOs? And how is calling them UFOs ridiculing and trivializing?

I understand that you claim to know the truth and know what they are, but you haven't explained exactly why you think this is and haven't provided anything to 'convince' anyone else besides enumerating possible explanations for what they might be.

I'm sorry, but they are UFOs - Unidentified Flying Objects.

2. Let us stop calling them Aliens or E.T, maybe use the word "Other Human Beings" or OHBs.

Again, please provide something concrete to why you think we should not call them extra-terrestrials or aliens.

Until we know exactly what these beings are, how their biology works, etc I think the words we use now, work fine (ETs, aliens, EBEs).

3. Develop Imaging and Video technology that cannot be manipulated by CGI. So that when someone takes a picture or video, there is in-built check that prevents tampering or manipulation. Maybe send a picture or video taken directly from your cell phone to Youtube or Flicr. This will restore credibility in pictures and videos of such encounters.

I understand your frustration with the hoaxes and fakes, but this will never happen. As technology advances, CGI will get more realistic and easy to create.

And there will always be people who will fake videos and photos and make up stories - some just to get attention or make money, others to muddy the waters, so to speak, in order to advance some agenda.

The problem is not technology, or 3D Rendering/Photoshop/Image manipulation software. The problem is people jumping to conclusions or not questioning or approaching things reasonably/scientifically.

We've seen this happen plenty of times: someone comes here and posts an image or a video, people automatically will start shouting 'fake' or 'real', until eventually, through debate and analysis, someone will find something to assert it's authenticity. If it's not proven to be fake, you keep digging and investigating with the purpose of eventually getting to the bottom of things.

Furthermore, if you're interested in the 'truth' a single photograph or video of a UFO or lights in the sky, won't prove anything.

Technology is not to blame for why so many hoaxes and fakes. If people would question things more frequently and not jump to conclusions so easily, the ones perpetrating these hoaxes wouldn't have as much incentive.

4. A University or Collage where this subject is being taught in a professional way. And taught by balanced experts of the likes of Stanton Friedman and others. [...]

Let us called the subject, Un-Identified Advanced Transportation or UAT instead of UFOlogy and use the words, "Non-terrestrial Encounters" or NTE for abduction cases.

What's with you and the definitions? You're free to call them whatever you like. No one has forced you to call these things UFOs or Abductions.

Ok, I'll bite.

Originally posted by guyfrom2007

After all these years of research into the subject of UFOs, I have the following conclusions:

How many years ?
What type of research ?
Boots-on-the-ground, or
internet ?

1. UFOs are real. Aliens are having a presence on / near our planet.

Justification: Countless photographs, videos, encounters, abductions reported from all over the world.

Photo's of aliens ? Really ?
Show me.
Videos of aliens ? Really ?
Show me.
Abductions reported ?
Prove them.

The only true statement you have
made is, "UFO's are real".

2. Most of the UFOs observed are Man made Balloons, Spacecrafts, etc and Natural Phenomenon such as Meteors and Stars/Planets

Justification: Many research reports have been published some official, others private that highlight this.

"Many research reports" ??
Provide them, please.

3. A small but significant percentage of the UFOs are Black OPs Projects.

Justification: Many research reports have been published some official, others private that highlight this.

Please see above.

4. The Aliens do not use Flying Saucers or other metallic spacecrafts.

Justification: A technology advanced civilization that manages to travel through billions of miles and be here will most certainly have more advanced Technologies for transportation. They may in fact not need to even travel from their home base physically.

Pure speculation.

5. There is an agreement between Aliens and the primary power on Earth. That is the US. They get to do their research and we get some technology.

Justification: In recent few years, Man has made far more progress than in the previous thousand years.

I did not include your examples.
All are easily traced back to their
origins.
Respectfully, I implore you to do
actual research, before making
inane statements.

6. There is a cover-up by the government.

Justification: The lies and deceptions that is so well documented by The Disclosure Project and many other disclosures leave us with no doubt.

Dr. Greer was once respected by
the UFO community.
Not so much, these days.
What "other disclosures" do you
speak of ?

7. There is more than one Alien civilization visiting Earth.

Justification: The abduction reports and description of UFO encounters clearly suggest a variety of Alien Life forms. We need to keep away from the bad ones.

Clearly, is it ?
Not to me.
Please provide references that
are substantial.

What we need to do about it?

1. Stop ridiculing and trivializing the subject by calling them UFOs. We can start using the word Advanced Transportation Systems or A.T.S. This will include both terrestrial as well as non-terrestrial beings.

Sir, that is absolutely ridiculous.

2. Let us stop calling them Aliens or E.T, maybe use the word "Other Human Beings" or OHBs.

Politically correct, or...?

3. Develop Imaging and Video technology that cannot be manipulated by CGI. So that when someone takes a picture or video, there is in-built check that prevents tampering or manipulation. Maybe send a picture or video taken directly from your cell phone to Youtube or Flicr. This will restore credibility in pictures and videos of such encounters.

This is completely laughable.

4. A University or Collage where this subject is being taught in a professional way. And taught by balanced experts of the likes of Stanton Friedman and others.

If you can't spell college, please don't
recommend one.

I just skipped #5.

6. Advertise the cause. Post bumper stickers on your cars. "We are no longer Alone. They are here"

Ok. Sure.
Next to the radio staion sticker and
the one that says "Eat at Joes".

I'm truly hoping this OP was sarcastic.

Regards,
Lex

Originally posted by guyfrom2007
I was hearing on my IPOD, Steven Greers interview (2006) with George Noory on this book, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge" and there he was narrating his personal experiences and how he came into this field.

But I fail to understand, if Dr Greer has so many contacts why is he and his team still struggling with developing a Zero point energy source machine.

As part of your extensive research, you might wish to read the threads on Leader Greer and his Cult that are right here on ATS. Since some of his viral marketers have stopped posting, most of the threads have drifted off the front page.

Perhaps, after reading these threads, you might think differently about what Leader Greer preaches to his Cult of zealots.

Of course, you don't have to do the research, you're free to choose.

First of all, I find the title of this thread to be misleading and pretentious. And your complaining about people not replying to your thread doesn't help your own interests.

What are my interests here? Apart from putting across my views. Why does it require such a big deal to constructively read some balanced views. I am not a Advertising Guru to create clinching online headliners.

You simply enumerated possible explanations for UFO (or lack of) sightings and evidence.

It is not me my friend,but everyone from Stanton Friendman to Nike Pope and ofcourse the Disclosure Project. Ofcourse not to mention Tom Cruise and his scientology sect.

So my judgement is based on massive reading over the years and also quite a few interesting reading on ATS itself.

Like I said, I have not come across UFOs or Aliens myself and even if I did, I doubt anyone would consider that as proof as it would be accounted as a personal experience.

Report after Report (Blue Book, Condon, Cometa, The French UFO files, British UFO disclosure, etc) have come to the same conlcusion as I have. So this is not something new that I am stating. I am just emphasising the points because there is so much disinfo and chaff on ATS, we need to focus on Reality and not engage in fiction, if we are to seriously study this subject.

Only the last point "The Aliens do not use Flying Saucers or other metallic spacecrafts." is something that I have speculated and I can talk for hours or write an entire book to prove this state. I am ready to debate on this point.

I totally agree with not ridiculing and trivializing the (UFO/ET) subject, but what's wrong with calling them UFOs? And how is calling them UFOs ridiculing and trivializing?

The word UFO had been originally used to give a term to something that is Un-Identified.

After all the photographs and videos and corroborative evidence that is right from colonels to fighter pilots and astronomers do we still need to call these things in our skies as UFOS.

Yes, there will always be UFO's in the Skies. Those which are not yet identified and some of them have more prosaic explanations.

But the ones that are clearly identified, let us not call them UFOs. Because they are identified. One example is the O'Hare Sighting. When there are such credible witnesses to this event and mainstream television channel carries a story on this, why call it a UFO. Just because the Government would not admit it?

I would prefer to call them as Advanced Flying Machine or AFS because we know from the eyewitness accounts.

1. It was hovering and then flew away. (Flying)
2. It was physical and clearly observable. (Machine)
3. It exhibited technology not yet publicly available. (Advanced)

So we need not bracket each and every sighting as a UFO, let us give better words and acronyms to describe than.

Originally posted by guyfrom2007
Only the last point "The Aliens do not use Flying Saucers or other metallic spacecrafts." is something that I have speculated and I can talk for hours or write an entire book to prove this state. I am ready to debate on this point.

Well go on, then - please do it! Write the book. It will be the only book in history that proves aliens are real. You'll be rich and famous for doing so.

Would you care to let us share the secret of how you obtained the proof that aliens don't use metallic spacecrafts? You're making big claims, so I can't wait to read your book to see how you are going to support them with undeniable facts that offer conclusive proof.

Put me down for a signed, advanced copy - I'll pay double if you write me a personal message inside the cover.

Again, please provide something concrete to why you think we should not call them extra-terrestrials or aliens.

Once again I emphasize that by stating that we use the word "Other Human beings" or OHB does not mean we use this word for every entity that we come across or hear about.

The word "Extra-Terrestrials" means "Not of this Earth" and the word "Aliens" means "Something different from the Normal"

When we do not know who these beings are or if they are beings in the first place, why use these terms.

When I use the term, "Other Human Like Beings", it can apply to any of the following:

1. Intelligent Living Beings from other Planets in our Solar System.
2. Intelligent Living Beings from our past or future.
3. Intelligent Living Beings from other Star Systems.
4. Artificial Intelligent Robots or Androids of our own or from others as
above.
5. Human Beings in a Garb.

So, when we come across humanoid creatures, it is wrong to say they are "E.T" or "Aliens" because then we are concluding that they are from another planet or star.

And this trivializes the issue. Because when you say I have seen E.T. or Aliens, we hear a chuckle. But if you say, I saw a "Human Like Being" or OHB it could mean any of the above entities and it could also include Humans who have put on a mask.

For example Dr.Steve Greer says he encountered Extra Terrestrial Beings. His judgment is based on an encounter he had high up in the mountains and a personal encounter.

How can he conclude it was E.T.? What if it was some stuff in his drinks that made him visualize these lucid entities. If not why does not he invite them for a meeting to Oprah Winfrey or Jay Leno. Why does he organize expeditions with gullible common folks!!!

So until he does that, he cannot claim that he met E.Ts. He can say, he had an experience with "Human Like Beings" and this could include just about anything including holographic images or inter-galactic art work.

Would you care to let us share the secret of how you obtained the proof that aliens don't use metallic spacecrafts?

My dear friend, my inference that other highly intelligent technologically advanced, Human Like Beings would not use metallic spacecraft is based on the following:

The Earth has an thick atmosphere. See what happens when our space shuttles or even meteorites come hurtling down to Earth. THEY BURN.

Imagine a metallic or a physical spaceship based on solid matter (whatever the material you use) requiring to travel through billions of miles passing by stars, maybe black holes, Gama Ray Bursts (GRBs) and so many other lethal stuff that exists across space.

What state of condition that metallic object when it comes anywhere close to our planet. Forget about the spacecraft, think about the people who are in it.

How will they survive aboard such a spacecraft for long long duration of flight. In space and weightless environment, it is a fact that bones grow faster than on earth, and so many other biological changes can happen risking the entire mission.

So what would the best way to travel across the stars. Would you still consider metallic or metallic looking spaceships?

Or would it be some very advanced technology that justs beams you from one point of the universe to another by manipulating Time and Space. A wrap drive or artificial black hole?

Common sense says, I would opt for the latter. The only problem is that we are so low in the technology ladder that our intelligence does not permit to think or even speculate these exotic technologies and we are more happy to consider 'Independence day" style gigantic spaceships as the only medium of space travel.

For, one it is so boring to travel from one end of the galaxy to another in plasma or some other exotic form as we would miss out on experiencing the visuals of the journey.

I remember, I used to travel by train most of my early childhood days and it was a great experience. Nowadays I travel mostly by air long distance. Yes, short distances by car. But you see just because I would to experience how the country side looks like, would I skip air travel today?

I won't. Because Time is important. Same goes with Aliens.

I understand your frustration with the hoaxes and fakes, but this will never happen. As technology advances, CGI will get more realistic and easy to create.

I am not disputing the advances in CGI technology and the stuff it can create.

But here I am not saying about a video or picture that is saved and then passed on. These are the ones that can be manipulated.

I am talking of advances in cellphone or digital camera technology which can not only take pictures but instantly post it youtube or flickr with no time lapse meaning once a picture is taken by someone, he simply press a button and it is hosted on these sites instantly via internet.

Now when the picture or video is sent this way, it is called Raw footage. And it will have more credibility than say processed footage.

The other thing is "Yes", people can hang out a balloon or a remote controlled UFO as is commonly available toy and then take a picture or video. So I would say the camera technology should advance to a level that it can not just take a picture but also calculate the distance between the object and the lens and embed that in the picture or video before sending it across instantly as raw footage.

And the image could also have a geographic location (co-oridnates using google maps) and independent date and time stamp (gps reciever) that could not be hacked or cracked into.

And if this technology becomes common in digital cameras and cellphones then we may come across more credible raw footage with embedded real time data on these observations.

This is just one example of how technology can weed out hoaxes in this field. There could be many other ways of achieving the same results. Just need to put our thinking caps and discuss.

How many years ? What type of research ? Boots-on-the-ground, or internet ?

I started researching on this subject in 1987 when I was in college. I formed a "UFO debating Club" in college. (sorry for my spelling earlier)

And my friends used to lovingly call me "ET".

The most part of my research is reading books and research reports mostly from the USIS library archives. This included the "Project Blue Book".

I also read a lot of views from skeptics such as "Phillip Klaus" and read many more books on "astronomy and astrophysics".

Back then there was a magazine called "OMNI" which I used to love reading.

There was no internet in India in 1987. Or atleast as widespread as it is now.

So most of my initial research was spending hours and days reading on some good books and reports. I do not remember the names of all the books I have read.

Once the internet came into being, I have used this medium to further my research.

When i read something I always do with an open mind. I am not the one to get influenced easily. My mind is more independent and logical.

So I have read all the famous UFO cases and most of it from www.ufoevidence.org which is a good poiint to start for those who want to study this field and then earthfiles.org and ofcourse hearing numerous talk shows on Coast to Coast with Art Bell and George Noory.

I have also glimpsed on the Majestic documents, the Dulce Reports and just name it, I have read them all.

So after this extensive reading, I have also jotted down my own theories and ideas on this subject. I had in fact way back in 1989 also experimented with electromagnetism and written down all of this in the form of a book that I never took to publishing it mainly because in India, there is zero interest in this subject and fare more ridicule than say the US.

Besides, I had to carry on with my college studies and get a job to survive.

So that is a short synopsis of my journey in to this field. I have had no alien encounters or seen alien spacecrafts.

But I have read the news stories in India on UFOs and analyzed them and found them to be more terrestrial in origin.

There have been some reports of UFOs over the Himalayas and bases there which was mostly carried by indiadaily.com which churns out so many weird but amazing theories on UFOs and ETS.

I tried to find out through the net, who is the publisher of this website and found out that this guy had an office in the World Towers.

Well that is about it.

Photo's of aliens ? Really ? Show me. Videos of aliens ? Really ? Show me. Abductions reported ? Prove them.

There is a wealth of evidence on this subject at www.ufoevidence.org

You can also get good deal of credible info from about.com

In face, I am trying to put together the most credible of these pictures and videos and host it on a website that I have registered recently called uncensoredinfo.com

This will take some time as I want to do some more research before I put it there. Also I want to know about the copyrights and other stuff. So if it is going to cost money, this may take more time.

Respectfully, I implore you to do actual research, before making inane statements.

What do you mean "Actual Research"? Can you elaborate please.

Do you want me to go visit "Travis Walton" and bug him for the "N"th time asking him "Did you really see ET?"

Or do you want me to visit "Betty Hill" and ask her the same questions that so many other people have already asked hundreds and thousands of times maybe.

Or do you want me to go down to the remote village in Brazil which was held hostage by Alien intruders and ask them once again about their experiences when this is so well documented and easily available on the net.

Or do you want me to craft some imaginative stories about person experiences like Dr Greer is now claiming (why did he keep quiet earlier is a mystery) so that my theories sound more credible?

What is that you want me to do to prove what I am saying makes sense?

Please be more specific.

Thank you.

reply to post by guyfrom2007


Well, first of all I can tell you that there will be no scientific evidence because of the cover up. So if you want that sort of evidence, you are correct to assume there is none in the public view.

If you are willing to believe documentaries, declassified military papers, military witnesses, statues, cave paintings and UFO videos, there is lots of evidence. But Im not convinced I really want to work for you... the information is out there in easy to find places. If you really wanted to know, wouldnt you go look for it?

But the insulting tone in your last post tells me that you do not believe the evidence that is not scientific.

Thats fine, but you wont get the truth that way.


[edit on 12-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Well, first of all I can tell you that there will be no scientific evidence because of the cover up. So if you want that sort of evidence, you are correct to assume there is none in the public view.

What makes you feel there is no scientific evidence? What is "Scientific Evidence" anyways.

Do we have "scientific proof" that Jesus Christ existed? Do we have scientific proof that "Mary was a virgin?"

Recently in India, the Government made an affidavit before the supreme court that there is no proof that "Lord Ram" existed and hence the "Ram Setu" ( the link between India and Sri Lanka across the ocean where Lord Ram, revered by millions of Hindus supposedly built a bridge to lead his army to Sri Lanka and vanquish the Demon called Ravana and rescue his kidnapped wife Sita) was not artificial but natural formation of rocks.

And even NASA put out a statement supporting the Government. The archaeological survey of India supported the governments affidavit.

It was blasphemous for many Hindus to hear this from the Government filing an affidavit that "Ram did not exist in History" as per the archaeological records.

Now how do we prove "Ram" existed and "Who he was really?". Most people claim that he existed about couple of thousands of years ago. But others claim he existed many more thousands and some say millions of years ago.

So the archaeological evidence is far more deeper in the earth and we have merely scratched the surface to find out the proof on the scientific assumption that if at all he existed it had to be couple of thousand years ago.

So how we judge "Scientific Proof". I believe in "Common Sense" and "Logical" Proof.

So when I research all these events that describe UFOs, Aliens, Abductions, etc I search for "Common Sense" and "logic" and leave the science to "Skeptics and Scientists".

And based on this reasoning, I find there is amply proof to put out the statements that I have made.

But the insulting tone in your last post tells me that you do not believe the evidence that is not scientific.

I did not mean to sound insulting in that statement. It was merely frustration.



[edit on 12-10-2007 by guyfrom2007]

Originally posted by guyfrom2007
So when I research all these events that describe UFOs, Aliens, Abductions, etc I search for "Common Sense" and "logic" and leave the science to "Skeptics and Scientists".

And based on this reasoning, I find there is amply proof to put out the statements that I have made.

OK, sorry about putting you into the Scientific Follower category. I like people who think like you do, who think for themselfs.

Check out the thread about UFO evidence throughout history. You may find it interesting.