No NTSB Investigation

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One would use the recorded data and start at the Pentagon and then work your way back to where primary coverage started again.

I'm aware of the data inconsistencies from flight 77 and that always lead back to two explanations:

1) the last few frames of data were corrupted by the impact.
2) the planted FDR was programmed with the wrong information.

Originally posted by Boone 870
[1) the last few frames of data were corrupted by the impact.
2) the planted FDR was programmed with the wrong information.

Gee, you are really reaching to try to keep from admitting you cannot prove flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

And people talk about the things CTs come up with.

I didn't come up with either one of those options, that's just usually where the argument goes.

So is the corrupted data option less reasonable than the F-16, Global Hawk, 757 flyover with explosives planted in the building and planted FDR with the wrong information and hundreds of people scattering aircraft debris, A-3, cruise missile with 757 flyover, or hologram missile?

Originally posted by Boone 870
I didn't come up with either one of those options, that's just usually where the argument goes.

Why can't you do research and try to find out what really happened instead of going by what others say?

I thought this thread was about missing NTSB reports....but the last couple of pages is all about flight data recorders. Shouldnt that be on another thread?

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Originally posted by Disclosed
I thought this thread was about missing NTSB reports....but the last couple of pages is all about flight data recorders. Shouldnt that be on another thread?

Did you have any important evidence to add ?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Boone 870
I didn't come up with either one of those options, that's just usually where the argument goes.

Why can't you do research and try to find out what really happened instead of going by what others say?

Answer the second part of his post and stop blustering.

Originally posted by ccaihc
Answer the second part of his post and stop blustering.

As soon as i get answers to the queations i have been asking since i have been on here.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Boone 870
[1) the last few frames of data were corrupted by the impact.
2) the planted FDR was programmed with the wrong information.

Gee, you are really reaching to try to keep from admitting you cannot prove flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

And people talk about the things CTs come up with.

As opposed to the baseless claims that it didn't? The ones that aren't backed up by any evidence? The evidence pointing towards flight 77 hitting the pentagon is overwhelming and conclusive. The evidence showing otherwise is not. You have the flight recorder, you have the the phone calls, you have the RADAR, you have the broadcasts, you have the plane debris, you have the 1000s of eyewitnesses who saw it, you have the confessions, the DNA, the paper trails, the money trails, it goes on for miles.

And what's your evidence against it? A video which was not meant to be used for any degree of accuracy, and a couple of eyewitnesses (the lowest form of evidence). Wow...Impressive...

Originally posted by snoopy
The evidence pointing towards flight 77 hitting the pentagon is overwhelming and conclusive. The evidence showing otherwise is not. You have the flight recorder, you have the the phone calls, you have the RADAR, you have the broadcasts, you have the plane debris, you have the 1000s of eyewitnesses who saw it, you have the confessions, the DNA, the paper trails, the money trails, it goes on for miles.

If the witnesses are (the lowest form of evidence) as you state, how can you put so much faith in them?

Evidence to question Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon,

1. The flight data recorder shows a different flight path then the official story.

2. The flight data recorder shows the plane to be at 180 feet at the point of impact.

3. There are no FBI or NTSB reports stating that flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

4. There are no FBI or NTSB reports matching the parts found to flight 77.

5. There are no FBI or NTSB reports of where the parts were taken.

6. The witnesses could not agree on what type of plane it was.
7. Some witnesses admitted later they did not know what hit the Petagon, they were told it was a 757. And as you stated

8. Flight 77 was off radar for several minutes.

9. Cell phones do not work at high altitudes.

10. The DNA testing at the time could not test DNA that had been destroyed by heat.

11. Reports of flight 77 hijacker still being alive.



[edit on 21-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

double post

[edit on 21-10-2007 by snoopy]

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REAL investigators Don't put much faith in eyewitnesses. REAL investigators put ALL the evidence together and use the total of it, not the convenient parts.

1) No it doesn't.
2) No, it doesn't. You are referring to the demonstration video that was not meant to be used for any kind of accuracy and was likely not meant to be included.
3) Because the FBI can't publish any reports of any ongoing investigation as per policy. This has nothing to do with 9/11. But it's very dishonest of you to try to mislead people into thinking that what is standard procedure is somehow unique to 9/11.
4) Because the FBI can't publish any reports of any ongoing investigation as per policy. This has nothing to do with 9/11. But it's very dishonest of you to try to mislead people into thinking that what is standard procedure is somehow unique to 9/11. However there have been plenty of reports of the plane parts and witnesses who handled the parts, all of which lead to flight 77. People were not only able to identify the type o plane but the exact flight form the remains.
5) Common sense. Show me an example of any FBI case where they published where they took evidence in an ongoing investigation.
6) It has nothing to do with them disagreeing and has to do with different people are going to have different understandings of what they are seeing. But the majority know it was a commercial plane and many of them identified the AA logo and colors. Yet not a single one saw a missile or saw a fly over. While 1000s saw a commercial plane.
7) As to be expected.
8) And?
9) A moot point for a plane that for a good period of the time was not far off the ground. Last night someone's phone rang on my plane while we were in the air. We weren't at 35,000ft, but neither were the people on light 77.
10. This is you once again being dishonest. First of all the statement is 100% untrue and you know it because we have discussed it before. SOME of the DNA was burned, but far from all of it. They were able to identify the majority of passengers, and even some of the hijackers.
11. Another example of dishonesty as we have already discussed this as well. This all relies simply on an out of date BBC article from the first week of the incident. After which was corrected.


Now let's look at the real issue here. You started a thread about the NTSB not investigating. You tried to lead people to believe that somehow the NTSB should have investigated and didn't therefore something wrong was going on. But of course as we all know such an event is out of the jurisdiction of the NTSB and their only role would be to assist the FBI. This is their policy, the law, and is spelled out clearly on their site. We all know this, yet you attempt to mislead others here into thinking otherwise. And when that doesn't pan out, you have to draw up a list of completely unrelated conspiracy theories to make up for it. And this is what is considered "truth"? Going around trying to deceive people? It seems more like a scam to me.

Originally posted by snoopy

10. This is where you are being downright and completely dishonest. I am simply insulted by your attempts here to deceive people. You know very well that the DNA was not destroyed by heat. We have had this discussion already and you have been proven wrong about this. yes *SOME* was destroyed by heat, but not all. not to mention the plane parts, the belongings of the passengers, etc.

11. The reports of hijackers still being alive are based on a BBC article from the first week of the investigation that has been debunked since 2002. The BBC themselves posted a correction to that article, yet the truthers continue to use an article from 2001 .



But let's take a look at this shall we? This thread you created was about the lack of an NTSB investigation. But that was shot down by the fact that this is not in the jurisdiction of the NTSB and they have no business here other than to assist.

10. Are you saying the NIST DNA experts are wrong?

www.nist.gov...

Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

Please show me any FBI reports that the parts found match flight 77 and i will gladly agree with you.

11. No the report i have on the hijackers is from another source, updated in 2007.
www.trackingthethreast.com...


If a crash site is a crime scene it fails to the FBI as main investigating agency. But the NTSB assists becasue they are the only agency with the resources to do crash scene investigations.

Why do you think the FBI had to turn over the black boxes to the NTSB? Speaking of black boxes why hasn't the FBI commented on if they found the black boxes at the WTC?



[edit on 21-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ccaihc
Answer the second part of his post and stop blustering.

As soon as i get answers to the queations i have been asking since i have been on here.

He's answered all your questions.

Ok answer me this, why would they use anything other than a 757 if they wanted to make it look like a 757 hit the pentagon?

I'm sorry, but what part of that link that Ultima posted talk about identifying the victims of Flight 77 at the Pentagon? Because all I saw was the gentleman talking about identifying the victims at the WTC.

Originally posted by ccaihc
Ok answer me this, why would they use anything other than a 757 if they wanted to make it look like a 757 hit the pentagon?

Well if you read my post i never said it wasn't a 757. I questioned if it was flight 77, since we have no hard evidence of it being flight 77.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I'm sorry, but what part of that link that Ultima posted talk about identifying the victims of Flight 77 at the Pentagon? Because all I saw was the gentleman talking about identifying the victims at the WTC.

If heat destroyed the DNA at the WTC, heat would also destroy the DNA at the Pentagon.

HEAT destroys DNA.

You mean the kind of infernal heat that could totally melt two massive six tons ( each ) titanium engines? They showed us a few parts of one smaller engine and wrap it up. Where are the two six ton engines? They COULD NOT have burned up from fire, impossible. There were not two holes or debris from those engines, only ONE hole from the attacking craft.

There are so many obvious screaming facts about the Pentagon that it hardly matters which one you pick. No bodies, no luggage, not one suitcase seen on any photograh of the scene, no damage to sections where wings and tailes would HAVE to have hit..round blown out holes several rings in, exactly like a missle, execatly the opposite of a plane part slamming alon; they don't make round holes through reinforced walls after going through a few already.

The phone calls? Barbara Olson , according to the trial of Moussaoui the FBI stated the ONE call was attempted but not connected, zero seconds. There was only two calls alleged and none proven from numbers that corroborated the allegations made. In the other cases, like Betty Ong reading a script like an amatuer actor..listen to it. Don't talk about Betty Ong until you sit and listen closely to her: She sounds exactly as if someone has handed her a script and is encouraging her along..just like the guy who kept asking his Mom " You believe me, don't you Mom?"..and giving his last name, as if the lady had so many sons with the same first names..c'mon..

That was staged and morphed set ups, part of the war games. I believe that the GAMES going on that day allowed a huge number of people to participate in the set up attacks without even knowing it; remeber the air traffic controllers that had to ask if the blips on the radar were the 'falsely inserted blips ' for the GAMES or were actual planes being highjacked? they could not tell..the perps had everyone dazed and confused with false blips during the exact times of the highjackings..so lucky those guys are, eh? Amazing luck indeed. They had the superhuman abilities to attack and overcome eight pilots without ONE being able to key the mike and alert..not one. Instant takeovers. No resistance. No bumps and radical movements from the planes. no pilot maneuvers to try and defend the cockpits, nothing. just perfect results every time for the Saudi men armned with small blades. amazing.

Amazing that anyone could ne naieve enough to believe that. There was NO evidence of a huge plane at the Pentagon, and the rest of the story falls apart upon close examination. The perps rely on one major thing: The public will never be told the truth because of the control of the major media. If the people never hear the facts presented correctly, they will continue to naysay the obvious and still believe that odds beyond the edge of infinity could be acceptable so the official story could be believed. The desire to believe it is so intense that odds beyond belief become acceptable. Strange..but common.

One has to accept the totally unlikley and far out to even begin to accept the official story; the truth is plain and clear.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
You mean the kind of infernal heat that could totally melt two massive six tons ( each ) titanium engines?

Yes if the fire was hot enough to destroy the plane (as the official story states) it would have also destroyed the DNA.

only when you assume that there wasnt anything left of the plane at the Pentagon, of course which we know from the people who cleaned up the mess that there was plenty of evidence of airliner wreckage in the mess that was left.

Ultima, please no more posts about "not having a NTSB/FBI" report, because we already know you wont accept when we DO post links to government reports.