The Pope Versus the President

reply to post by djohnsto77


i doubt the pope will back hillary clinton ? now if she changed her name to mary------she'd be all set?

The two biographies of the pope differ somewhat, the vatican one saying nothing about his membership of the hitler youth (even though it was a legal requirement to join).

The wiki bio says he is something of a traditionalist, wanting to restore fundamental christian values - the word christian being prominent, given his criticism of other denominations.

vatican biog

wiki biog

I know that he's been in the news a lot, and seems to have an opinion on just about everything - even non ecumenical matters.

I just wonder what his real purpose is?
Is he trying to make the catholic church the major force it once was by flexing his political muscles? - which he really shouldn't be doing.

given what happens in catholocism, I found this quite amusing (about the da vinci code)

On June 19, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI urged Christians to reject those who "falsify the Word of Christ," which was seen as an allusion to the controversy over the Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code. Addressing a huge open-air mass in central Warsaw on the second day of his visit to Poland, the pontiff used his homily to warn against the temptation of doctoring what he said were Biblical truths. He stated: "As in past centuries, so today there are people or groups who seek to falsify the Word of Christ and to remove from the Gospel those truths which in their view are too uncomfortable for modern man."

wiki

This also rings a few alarm bells:
www.huffingtonpost.com...



[edit on 11/10/2007 by budski]

Not to make light of the situation, unless our Nazi Pope, and our crusading Templar President plan to have a death match, I'm really not interested. Both of them should be burned for their beliefs..... on second thought, nah, I would rather they both burn in their own personal hells.

reply to post by budski


funny that the pope would warn of those that would try to falsefy the words of Messiah Who said think not that I have come to do away with the law matthew 5:17.about 110ce the catholic church changed from the 7th day sabbath of the 10 commandments on saturday to the first day of the week sunday to try and disassociate themselves from being mistaken by the roman legions for jews and jewish christians to try and save their butts from the massacres the roman soldiers were perpetrating.they still called themselves "christians" after the change to sunday they also changed from the keeping of the biblical passover to their own easter and again changing it to days other than biblically sanctioned.the excuse used for the change is that Messiah rose from the dead on a sunday------however the scripture makes it plain He rose to life again at the end of shabbat before sunset started the next day----biblical days start at sunset------not the roman mid-nights.and christmas /halloween/valentines are nowere to be found in scriptures-------they are all pagan going back to nimrod and his wife ishstar/easter shortly after noahs flood.

reply to post by yahn goodey


So, he also refers to christians these days, after rubbishing other denominations - methinks he has a plan. A rather transparent plan - hence the interference in non ecumenical matters.
He now wants to appeal to the secular masses in the hope of gaining converts.


what a doofus the man is

i believe the vatican is the beast out of the sea mentioned in revelation in the bible..bush is very evil also..

i am a bron again christian and i have found out that bush along with most of the u.s. government attend satanic rituals at the bohemian grove..

you can find out the facts in my film "the story of the century"

its on youtube

reply to post by budski


great avatar !----- describes humans perfectly-----everyone wants to be the leader---cause they got the right idea ?

reply to post by yahn goodey


it was removed - too big I think - monty python sketch, the argument clinic, it's on youtube, give it a watch it's really funny
never mind, new ones ok



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reply to post by conspiricyMAN85


my wife and i believe that quite possibly this pope or a soon to come next one is the one who the book of revelation calls the false prophet that works together with the coming military ruler/dictator of europe----the last revival of the so called "holy"roman empire and that pres.gw bush is presently fulfilling the prophecies that daniel wrote concerning the king of the north---daniel 11:40-45 some where along the way when he comes to his end we believe this coming "beast" power leader takes over and continues on in that position whether its pres. Bush or his replacement that pushes on into israel remains to be seen-----but it looks like he has fulfilled verse 40 anyway.

reply to post by budski


too bad about your avatar----yes monty python---british humour----funny stuff------oh well at least you have a picture------we have no plans to buy a digital camera just to plug into this computer-----wouldn't know how or what to do anway and not that interested for myself----i'll just sit back and appreaciate others avatars.

Who cares what the Pope and the Vatican have to say? Not me. Their history speaks for itself.

Don't bother the Pope with Connie and those corrupting the
American way of life.

The Pope should only back a Catholic president.

Typical Illuminati trick to hold up an issue... like birth control to
sway the Pope and other sheeple against the opposition
while they the gangsters win the election.






[edit on 10/11/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by R-evolve
I feel the christian thing for the church to do would be to sell all its assets, its works of art, gold treasuries, ancient buildings and all its lands and with the money they could house the homeless, help against the destruction Aids has caused in africa partly due to the non use of contraceptives. They could sponsor students to become doctors invest in hospitals and help people who suffer in life.

It's called the Catholic Worker Movement.

www.catholicworker.org...

reply to post by Firestorm_


Don't expect that any time soon.

Even with more wealth than anyone else, they still do more for the
non elite than any one else.

What would be helpful is exposing the elite science suppression.

But then science since Galileo shows it can be held against them but I
feel some know the facts, since I heard many years back as echoed
by William R. Lyne today.
However, the repercussion by the elite against the curch is not likely
what they want to go through.
The Trident Submarine at one time was condemned by a University
leader as being over kill, but heck that was easy and about the
last political stand against weapons.

In light of 9/11, I don't think any condemnation of Nazi activities
will be forthcoming unless the stonewall of Connie means anything.

reply to post by yahn goodey


Guess what... there is another story.

The Jews would not let the Apostles use their Synagogues.

Perhaps they went to an alternate plan and ended up on Sunday,
the day of the risen Lord.

In fact Friday is the start of Sabbath which would be like having
Good Friday when the Lord opened the gates of heaven.

So who knows how it happened, we weren't their writing the history.
Unless some official document explains the why of a Sunday, it just
says do it on Sunday, back up documentation might be available.

I'll drop in a catholic forum and see what they say.
A simple matter of faith seems a reasonable request.
However I got bad results on who the present day Illuminati are,
or if the Kennedys might have been one and even changed my info
from William R. Lyne on who the largest holder of domestic oil reserves
was. Well the Illuminati move things around and guess they share
big bank rolls.

on an off note, in a game called rome, total war. you can either ally with rome and vatican, and get support and keep the people happy because theyre all catholic in that day if europian.. Or go against them and keep getting assassinated by little hunched back cloaked dudes. The point: well i didnt have one i guess, but the game might mirror reality in some vague way. I think major religion is merely ignoring the practicality of Gods conveyances and turning them into traditional mysticism for profit. "God says to wipe out an entire kingdom" -"yes, i am a robot for my own self made dellusion"..er ker pling..boing

Lets see what we have hear........
The disaster of the Bush admin vs the Pope who is a delusional old man who heads a religion who's track record isnt getting any better. Both will or would be ill relevant if the damage they have caused or a causing wasn't so ever lasting.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by Firestorm_

 

Don't expect that any time soon.

Even with more wealth than anyone else, they still do more for the
non elite than any one else.

What would be helpful is exposing the elite science suppression.

But then science since Galileo shows it can be held against them but I
feel some know the facts, since I heard many years back as echoed
by William R. Lyne today.
However, the repercussion by the elite against the curch is not likely
what they want to go through.
The Trident Submarine at one time was condemned by a University
leader as being over kill, but heck that was easy and about the
last political stand against weapons.

In light of 9/11, I don't think any condemnation of Nazi activities
will be forthcoming unless the stonewall of Connie means anything.

Béarla? Do thoil?

reply to post by Aeronautical7


Hehehe.. that's funny!!! while there are so many people that believe in a theology created by John Smith (just kidding) in early 1800, there are others who believe in a theology studied like 2000 years ago. (yes.. manipulated or whatever) but if you are smart enuff to read philosophy and whatsoever, things are not so easy to understand.
Not to say who's right...but i bet you would learn more from "The Others"

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Originally posted by wdkirk
Who cares what the Pope and the Vatican have to say? Not me. Their history speaks for itself.

The same to the actual president of U.S...

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